Ok, then lets actually apply math to all of this using an ADV SCR which is about 73 base damage

Damage modifiers -
Proficiency 4 = 12%
Complex Dmg Mod = 10%
Total ---- 22% increase

73 * 1.22 = 89 base damage

Charged shot has a multiplier of 2 so that would put us at 178 damage from the get go.

Now, lets add in the bias towards shields. I cant remember if its 120/80 or 130/70 but lets go with 120.

178 * 1.2 = 213 damage against shields for charged shot
89 * 1.2 = 106 damage against shields for standard shot
89 * 0.8 = 71 damage against armor for standard shot

Now lets say that the person firing can get off one charged shot and 5 regular shots before overheat
Charged Shot 1 - 213 damage (295 shield remaining, 506 armor)
Standard Shot 1 - 106 damage (189 shield remaining, 506 armor)
Standard Shot 2 - 106 damage (83 shield remaining, 506 armor)
Standard Shot 3 - 106 damage (0 shield remaining, 483 armor) *used full shield dmg for easier math
Standard Shot 4 - 71 damage (0 shield remaining, 412 armor)
Standard Shot 5 - 71 damage (0 shield remaining, 341 armor)

These six shots can be done in about a second or little more if the person is skilled. Once cooled down (lets say 3 seconds. I cant find the info on the comp) it would take another 5 shots to down the heavy suit.

So now lets look at a trained GEK with a damage mod.

Correct me if Im wrong but I believe that the base damage of the GEK is around 34 per bullet.

Damage modifiers -
Proficiency 4 = 12%
Complex Dmg Mod = 10%
Total ---- 22% increase

34 * 1.22 = 41.5 base damage

The clip holds 60 and can be fired at a rate of 750 RPM (which equates to 12.5 bullets per second).

DPS = 41.5 * 12.5 = 518 damage (0 shield remaining, 496 armor)

Now, in it would only take 1 more second for the GEK to tear through the remaining amount of armor which would be a faster kill than the SCR.

What makes it so the GEK doesnt do that?
#1 - Dispersion - The further the weapon user is away from the target, the more misses s/he will get
#2 - Tracking - As Rei said, people who spray-n-pray are probably not tracking their target which leads to more missed shots

The reason you think the SCR is OP compared to the AR is not because of the weapons themselves but rather the people handling them. Someone using a semi-auto weapon is more likely to line up their shot than one at full auto thus they are more likely to have all of their shots hit as well as have a higher likelihood for a headshot.

Also, the semi-auto weapons are more likely to be used by skirmishers than front line slayers. They will be out of your effective range with a HMG or AR and thus seem to have the upper hand while you are engaged.

Which I'm not saying is inaccurate and it looks very nice on paper like that

BUT

In my Heavy Suit with 506 Shields, 506 armor ONE charged shot takes me down to less than 200 armor, so explain this to me; and if you consider this not to be overpowered you have no business in a balance discussion.

Math is fine on paper, but you need to be looking at the performance of the weapon in the game.

This is not dungeons and dragons.

I do know the difference between getting shot once and getting shot 3 times...just saying.

Yes it is a strict 1 v 1 scenario.

The fact that the Scr Rifle can take 2 or 3 shots immediately after a charged shot is ridiculous in and of itself.

"Heat build up? What heat build up"

Seriously, I'm not even talking about a guy using it with an Amarr suit, its just *sighs*

I know none of the Scr Rifle users will ever really admit to their precious being overpowered, kinda like the 1.0 Tac Ar Turbo controller users defending their broken ****.

Ive actually managed on many occasions to kill 3-4 pristine tip top never been hit protos before overheat becomes a problem (ofcourse they werent Brick Tanked 1k EHP+ suits, but they had 600-700 EHP each), this is the skill ceiling people are talking about, at medium range and cqc.

Sure you can take the gun and nerf it, leaving me with something i can at best kill 1 guy with before overheating, but how are other people going to be using this gun ?

I know right, they are not gonna be using it at all and then it gets a nice little mantle spot next to the Breach, Tac and Burst and ill be back at using AR's....

You know what guys...

*sighs*

I give up...

You're right...

I'm just a scrub.

I have no situational awareness.

I don't know the strengths and weaknesses of the weapons I use.

I don't know what ranges to engage my opponents at.

I like to run around in the open field firing at Scr Rifle users from 40m away with my MH-82 HMG while standing perfectly still.

The Scr. Rifle is the most skill intensive weapon DUST 514 has to offer.

The game is just so chocked full of Highly skilled players, much more so than myself, which is why the weapon is becoming more and more prevalent with every subsequent match I enter.

The fact that nearly overnight Scr Rifles went from seeing 1 or 2 in a match to seeing full squads of People using Advanced and Prototype Scr. Rifles is indicative of absolutely nothing.

I'm just imagining my shield and armor drop by 90% from one shot.

/scarcasm

So you can have this thread, I'm done.

Yeah i get the idea, i am always speaking from my own perspective and pub teams, but cant speak from PC battles, i can however say that it is completely impossible to kill other great players if you encounter them in a group, 1 vs 1 can already go both ways and sideways very fast, the slightest disadvantage costs you your clone and shows really how small the skill gap has to be to get totally roflpwned.