Same for shotties......

Too many times I have shot a laser to the point where I have to be very accurate to hit my target without missing, and they turn around around 60-80 meters and do full damage and kill me in seconds...what's the point of using the laser if I can just use an AR for that range...

Exactly...

Same for the HMG.

Duvolle AR featherpress R1 and dead HMG heavy...lol.

Too many times I have shot a laser to the point where I have to be very accurate to hit my target without missing, and they turn around around 60-80 meters and do full damage and kill me in seconds...what's the point of using the laser if I can just use an AR for that range...

LoLoL just played an ambush and dropped a 36-3 with my laser.

No recoil, Nice scope, great range.

I find it really hard to believe the OP lol

Too many times I have shot a laser to the point where I have to be very accurate to hit my target without missing, and they turn around around 60-80 meters and do full damage and kill me in seconds...what's the point of using the laser if I can just use an AR for that range...

Try being a MD user and trying to arc shots. I've been getting popped outside of my draw distance. Finally broke down and put my SP I've been saving up for the combat rifle in the AR. I've even seen scouts, heavies, and Amarr assaults using ARs.

LoLoL just played an ambush and dropped a 36-3 with my laser.

No recoil, Nice scope, great range.

I find it really hard to believe the OP lol

No the point of this thread is not to use dirty Matari tech, but the glorious laser of our grand empire.

Our glorious laser should not be outgunned by a Gallente weapon!

Caldari Rail Rifle FTW!

No the point of this thread is not to use dirty Matari tech, but the glorious laser of our grand empire.

Well yeah it should be out gunned, but never outranged.

[quoteisntonica Fusionus]
Our glorious laser should not be outgunned by a Gallente weapon!

[quoteisntonica Fusionus]
Our glorious laser should not be outgunned by a Gallente weapon!

[Wait..isnt the AR a Caldari gun?

Wait..isnt the AR a Caldari gun?

Nope, Gallente tech. Meant to be short/mid range, high DPS. But since it's a placeholder and the default rifle, it's a combination of all the racial rifle's strengths and none of the weaknesses.

Did it occur to you that the AR user had the AR Skill Branch maxed out? Or, that he had damage mods stacked on it?

The Laser is the idiot Light Weapon. Just brush over an enemy for 1 second and you can kill (After SP is put into it). There's no recoil, you don't have to aim, and you're effective from over 100m(No AR can reach that).

Perhaps you weren't playing against some scrub? Perhaps you're initial aim needs work? Perhaps you need a better suit layout? Perhaps you need to put more SP into the laser?

As far as I'm concerned, the Laser is more than adequate for its purpose.

Short Range High DPS. The kind of Gun that if you get into Optimal Range, you are going to die unless you can kite your way back out.

Minnies are the Short to Mid Range

Amarr Mid to Long

Caldari Long Range

Did it occur to you that the AR user had the AR Skill Branch maxed out? Or, that he had damage mods stacked on it?

The Laser is the idiot Light Weapon. Just brush over an enemy for 1 second and you can kill (After SP is put into it). There's no recoil, you don't have to aim, and you're effective from over 100m(No AR can reach that).

Perhaps you weren't playing against some scrub? Perhaps you're initial aim needs work? Perhaps you need a better suit layout? Perhaps you need to put more SP into the laser?

As far as I'm concerned, the Laser is more than adequate for its purpose.

Short Range High DPS. The kind of Gun that if you get into Optimal Range, you are going to die unless you can kite your way back out.

Minnies are the Short to Mid Range

Amarr Mid to Long

Caldari Long Range

Did it occur to you that my Laser Tree might be maxxed out?

He was far enough that my dot was the size of his head...I fired and his shields were pretty much insta kill, but he was Gallente...so his armor was tough, then he turned around and blam!!!

I know full well the disdain for Gallant. My SCR can't stand them. But, my SCR also can't stand some guy who just holds down the trigger and waives his sight around until he nicks me and I lose 75% of my total HP. Meanwhile, I actually charge my weapon and fire a perfect shot, only to be nicked again and killed.
Lasers do not reward skill, they are on par w/ the MD; a spam weapon.

Too many times I have shot a laser to the point where I have to be very accurate to hit my target without missing, and they turn around around 60-80 meters and do full damage and kill me in seconds...what's the point of using the laser if I can just use an AR for that range...

I know full well the disdain for Gallant. My SCR can't stand them. But, my SCR also can't stand some guy who just holds down the trigger and waives his sight around until he nicks me and I lose 75% of my total HP. Meanwhile, I actually charge my weapon and fire a perfect shot, only to be nicked again and killed.
Lasers do not reward skill, they are on par w/ the MD; a spam weapon.

Bullshit, how did you let this happen? How the **** do you die in seconds! You guys have to be playing a different game because at 60meters an assault rifle shooting you is no more than a pie shooter at which point you could run the **** away and move yourself further back.

It's a Gallente weapon... I expected it to be inaccurate at that range...I was wrong.

Bullshit, how did you let this happen? How the **** do you die in seconds! You guys have to be playing a different game because at 60meters an assault rifle shooting you is no more than a pie shooter at which point you could run the **** away and move yourself further back.

Bullshit, how did you let this happen? How the **** do you die in seconds! You guys have to be playing a different game because at 60meters an assault rifle shooting you is no more than a pie shooter at which point you could run the **** away and move yourself further back.

Maxed proficiency or stacked damage mods and you can wreck anyone at any distance. It's like Chromosome all over again.

I only use 3 complex....


640m effective range.
60 rounds.
700 RPM.
Seems legit.

Its funny cause you are exaggerating and that range is like twice as much as the rifles optimal
Maybe you should learn to dodge and aim at the same time

LoLoL just played an ambush and dropped a 36-3 with my laser.

No recoil, Nice scope, great range.

I find it really hard to believe the OP lol

stop comparing yourself with everyone else. Not many people have your "skill"

Actuallly I believe he got that score not just with skill, but like 4 complex damage mods instead of 3, and proficiency 3 or above.

Lets not forget the scr is a laser aswell

SCR wrecks the AR at mid range. That's why they're trying to get it nerfed- it's one of the few weapons that can compete with the damn thing.

Laser is a very situational weapon, it's not hard to get a lot of kills and not die if you're not in the crossfire.

I still have trouble believing the OP, he must have been doing something wrong even if the red had multiple damage modifiers and the proficiency in the Assault Rifle.

LoLoL just played an ambush and dropped a 36-3 with my laser.

No recoil, Nice scope, great range.

I find it really hard to believe the OP lol

LoLoL just played an ambush and dropped a 36-3 with my laser.

No recoil, Nice scope, great range.

I find it really hard to believe the OP lol

LoLoL just played an ambush and dropped a 36-3 with my laser.

No recoil, Nice scope, great range.

I find it really hard to believe the OP lol

Too many times I have shot a laser to the point where I have to be very accurate to hit my target without missing, and they turn around around 60-80 meters and do full damage and kill me in seconds...what's the point of using the laser if I can just use an AR for that range...

Too many times I have shot a laser to the point where I have to be very accurate to hit my target without missing, and they turn around around 60-80 meters and do full damage and kill me in seconds...what's the point of using the laser if I can just use an AR for that range...

3 damage mods isn't very effective because the laser only does 17 damage...

I agree scr does but not the assault version..did they change it this month? If so I apologize cuz I wouldn't know then

3 damage mods isn't very effective because the laser only does 17 damage...

Too many times I have shot a laser to the point where I have to be very accurate to hit my target without missing, and they turn around around 60-80 meters and do full damage and kill me in seconds...what's the point of using the laser if I can just use an AR for that range...

Yup that's the worst, why does blaster tech out DPS a laser at its optimal?

Because CCP does not think of it as a blaster, even though that's exactly what it's supposed to be.

They made the mistake of calling it an assault rifle, which is what every noob will immediately gravitate to because of its familiar name and function.

Shattering that comfort zone for the casual scrub is dangerous, so they will not fix it. It's a shame, because it could have easily had a lot more character to it.

Because CCP does not think of it as a blaster, even though that's exactly what it's supposed to be.

They made the mistake of calling it an assault rifle, which is what every noob will immediately gravitate to because of its familiar name and function.

Shattering that comfort zone for the casual scrub is dangerous, so they will not fix it. It's a shame, because it could have easily had a lot more character to it.

Too many times I have shot a laser to the point where I have to be very accurate to hit my target without missing, and they turn around around 60-80 meters and do full damage and kill me in seconds...what's the point of using the laser if I can just use an AR for that range...

LoLoL just played an ambush and dropped a 36-3 with my laser.

No recoil, Nice scope, great range.

I find it really hard to believe the OP lol

Seems like they shattered the comfort zone of evetards that think Dust is Eve.

To add further, these are mercs, not ships.

Seems like they shattered the comfort zone of evetards that think Dust is Eve.

To add further, these are mercs, not ships.

Sounds like a Dust tard is salty because his game is getting shut down soon.

And actually they are blasters, not mercs or ships.

And blasters do a specific thing at a specific range.

Dust is in New Eden you ******* idiot.

Jesus you'd think some people would remember that.... pathetic. Just like we build all of our weapons in specific ways, so too do the Gallente, why would they change their combat discipline on the ground when it works so well in space?

Our glorious laser should not be outgunned by a Gallente weapon!

HEY ADAM

INFANTRY DOES NOT EQUAL AIRCRAFT IN ANY SETTING

THANK YOU DUMBASS GNITE

Sure it does from a design philosophy. You wouldn't alter already functional designs.

HEY ADAM

INFANTRY DOES NOT EQUAL AIRCRAFT IN ANY SETTING

THANK YOU DUMBASS GNITE

I can almost always out gun an AR with My SMGs and with a Scrambler assault variant. Snipers and forges can still out-do AR for obvious reasons, and if you're using a Proto Heavy against a Proto Assault and you lose it just means you suck.

Lasers are only good if you're using the Viziam, so if you were using the Viziam against the Duvolle and you lost it probably means he was strafing you weren't/you had way less HP/wasn't really optimal range. Whatever.

Everyone who says AR is OP might be right or might be wrong, but whatever the case they are certaintly beatable by any other gun if you know how to properly use it.

Aircraft do not equal spacecraft, if you are going to be like that.
The races of New Eden have combat philosophies that work, in any setting. Why would the Gallente change something that works because they are on the ground? They use high DPS blasters at really close range, the AR should reflect this.
If the AR behaved like it should , it would be no less effective than it currently is, just more niche, like all of the other weapons in the game. The current AR is an amalgamation of the GAR, the Combat Rifle and the Rail Rifle, but without any of their weaknesses.

BS.

Why do people want to cherry pick physics? Add bullet drop to everything and give me a mirrored dropsuit ward off lasers then.

Modern day military weaponry can travel well over the distance of any map we play on.

The Lore argument needs to stop now. The goal isn't balance by lore it is balance by functional game mechanics so just stop.

EVE is balanced. Really well. Also mirror covercovered dropsuits wouldn't work for anything other than visible light.

Uh. The Viziam sucks. For higher price, fitting requirement, SP requirement and feedback damage, you again the ability to shoot ~15 more "rounds" before it overheats. The standard LR is way better, because you can stack CX damage mods on it easier, and not lose half of your HP when you overheat, which the LR does fairly often.

My 23% effectiveness at 65 meters disagrees with you. What tier was his/her fit? What was their prof.? What was their suit type (armor resists a little better)?

Then consider: Was it really your optimal? Were you using inferior tiered gear? What was your Prof.? What was your suit type?

If this is another complaint about duvolles killing people with std. or adv. gear again then your argument is made invalid.

That's fine and all but my point about plasma still stands without challenge.

Dust is not space and therefore plasma is not affected by cold and lack of oxygen so it can fly father and burn longer.

Goodnight.

Particle blasters operate on a similar principle as the railgun except they fire a magnetically contained ball of subatomic particles. No other turret class can match the sheer destructive power of particle blasters, but due to the rapid dispersion of the containment field, it also has the worst range. It is magnetism not temperature that contains the charge.

You've been lawyered son.

LoLoL just played an ambush and dropped a 36-3 with my laser.

No recoil, Nice scope, great range.

I find it really hard to believe the OP lol

That's fine and all but my point about plasma still stands without challenge.

Dust is not space and therefore plasma is not affected by cold and lack of oxygen so it can fly father and burn longer.

Goodnight.

Wiki

I have always been told that a lawyer never asks a question that they don't know the answer to.

EVE is balanced. Really well. Also mirror covercovered dropsuits wouldn't work for anything other than visible light.

Eve is a tab shooter and Dust is an FPS

I hope I don't need to explain the difference

This whole niche argument needs to stop

I find it funny how when AR players complain about a weapon it is instantly assumed to be QQ or or a little brat talking. But magically if Anyone else talks about another weapon it is taken as constructive feedback, even though it may be even more uninformative than an AR user's thread about the EXACT same thing.

So basically you are complaining about not wanting to be killed by a certain weapon, but when an AR user doesn't want to be killed by certain weapon its QQ. Hypocritical much?

OMG wtf reg? You saying certain weapons should just be garbage? LOL what is balance when long range weapons dont kill at long ranges? xD

IMO the AR could use a slight nerf, nothing drastic just a tiny adjustment.

I made up a fit with a duvolle and went something like this:

Amarr logi A/1 series
Duvolle AR
Breach SMG
Locus grenades
3 basic shield extenders
2 enhanced armour plates
Basic armour repper

Totals: 465-ish armour, 203 shields, and an armour rep rate of 7.5

I went 21-3 using this fit In a dom match.....only actually died once, got revived the second and third times.

LoLoL just played an ambush and dropped a 36-3 with my laser.

No recoil, Nice scope, great range.

I find it really hard to believe the OP lol

That all you got what about 44-4 in a Adv minnie scout suit with a CRG 3 shotgum

TRB, maybe I said it poorly since I quoted your reply and not KGB Sleep's. I agree with you. I added the above to clarify.

Too many times I have shot a laser to the point where I have to be very accurate to hit my target without missing, and they turn around around 60-80 meters and do full damage and kill me in seconds...what's the point of using the laser if I can just use an AR for that range...

Eve is a tab shooter and Dust is an FPS

I hope I don't need to explain the difference

This whole niche argument needs to stop

I can almost always out gun an AR with My SMGs and with a Scrambler assault variant. Snipers and forges can still out-do AR for obvious reasons, and if you're using a Proto Heavy against a Proto Assault and you lose it just means you suck.

Lasers are only good if you're using the Viziam, so if you were using the Viziam against the Duvolle and you lost it probably means he was strafing you weren't/you had way less HP/wasn't really optimal range. Whatever.

Everyone who says AR is OP might be right or might be wrong, but whatever the case they are certaintly beatable by any other gun if you know how to properly use it.

BS.

Why do people want to cherry pick physics? Add bullet drop to everything and give me a mirrored dropsuit ward off lasers then.

Modern day military weaponry can travel well over the distance of any map we play on.

The Lore argument needs to stop now. The goal isn't balance by lore it is balance by functional game mechanics so just stop.

I hope you realize, that you just call it every FPS gamer in the world a Scrub.

Actually, I do... he was standing still, but yet he still insta killed me at somewhere around 57-61 meters. Yes I was shooting him in the head, but he was a Gallente.

Not seeing the problem here.

OK stickbundle tell you what.

Why don't we just take all the EVE ranges and apply them to weapons so we can snipe from Molden Heath to Curse region? Would you be happy then?

Shut you mouth baby.

Hyper aggressive, emotionally challenged, and powerful feelings of inferiority compared to those of another fanbase.

Ah, I get it. You must be 13.

Isn't it wonderful that the internet can bring all age groups together like this?

Are you sure it was just him that was shooting at you? sometimes in the heat of things you don't notice other sources of damage i.e. a sniper round that breaks your shields and takes down some armor.

If this was Facebook, I would like the **** out of this whole thread. This game has turned into AR 514..... It's AR or go home and I hate it. Sometimes I find my toxin to do more damage than my CRD-9

I don't think so....I get owned by laser rifles and MD's left and right and here lately people are crazy about the Imperial Scrambler Rifle.

I get killed very little by AR's and when I do, its always Militia Assault Rifles.