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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.10.14 06:49:00 -
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DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle wrote:Cosgar wrote:DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle wrote:Lets not forget the scr is a laser aswell SCR wrecks the AR at mid range. That's why they're trying to get it nerfed- it's one of the few weapons that can compete with the damn thing. I agree scr does but not the assault version..did they change it this month? If so I apologize cuz I wouldn't know then Not sure about the assault, I can never see where the hell I'm shooting with that thing. |
Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
255
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Posted - 2013.10.14 06:59:00 -
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The AR is the jack of all trades, Master of one, Journeyman of the rest.... While other anti-infantry weapons are more like the Jack of one trade, master of none...
Or perhaps I am just being pessimistic and hyperbolic. |
I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
1073
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Posted - 2013.10.14 08:21:00 -
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Well duh.
Everyone knows that the AR is an automatic sniper. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
698
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Posted - 2013.10.14 08:29:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:3 damage mods isn't very effective because the laser only does 17 damage... laser has only 17 base damage, but it increases the higher your heat level.
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Faquira Bleuetta
TeamPlayers EoN.
130
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Posted - 2013.10.14 09:19:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Too many times I have shot a laser to the point where I have to be very accurate to hit my target without missing, and they turn around around 60-80 meters and do full damage and kill me in seconds...what's the point of using the laser if I can just use an AR for that range... u suk stfu |
KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
322
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Posted - 2013.10.14 09:33:00 -
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RELEVANT |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1761
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Posted - 2013.10.14 09:38:00 -
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I hate it when a Forge Gun kills me in one shot in the AR optimal range.....
You see... i can do it too. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1846
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Posted - 2013.10.14 10:13:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Too many times I have shot a laser to the point where I have to be very accurate to hit my target without missing, and they turn around around 60-80 meters and do full damage and kill me in seconds...what's the point of using the laser if I can just use an AR for that range... Yup that's the worst, why does blaster tech out DPS a laser at its optimal?
Because CCP does not think of it as a blaster, even though that's exactly what it's supposed to be.
They made the mistake of calling it an assault rifle, which is what every noob will immediately gravitate to because of its familiar name and function.
Shattering that comfort zone for the casual scrub is dangerous, so they will not fix it. It's a shame, because it could have easily had a lot more character to it. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1761
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Posted - 2013.10.14 10:18:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:True Adamance wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Too many times I have shot a laser to the point where I have to be very accurate to hit my target without missing, and they turn around around 60-80 meters and do full damage and kill me in seconds...what's the point of using the laser if I can just use an AR for that range... Yup that's the worst, why does blaster tech out DPS a laser at its optimal? Because CCP does not think of it as a blaster, even though that's exactly what it's supposed to be. They made the mistake of calling it an assault rifle, which is what every noob will immediately gravitate to because of its familiar name and function. Shattering that comfort zone for the casual scrub is dangerous, so they will not fix it. It's a shame, because it could have easily had a lot more character to it.
I hope you realize, that you just call it every FPS gamer in the world a Scrub. |
KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
323
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Posted - 2013.10.14 10:19:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:True Adamance wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Too many times I have shot a laser to the point where I have to be very accurate to hit my target without missing, and they turn around around 60-80 meters and do full damage and kill me in seconds...what's the point of using the laser if I can just use an AR for that range... Yup that's the worst, why does blaster tech out DPS a laser at its optimal? Because CCP does not think of it as a blaster, even though that's exactly what it's supposed to be. They made the mistake of calling it an assault rifle, which is what every noob will immediately gravitate to because of its familiar name and function. Shattering that comfort zone for the casual scrub is dangerous, so they will not fix it. It's a shame, because it could have easily had a lot more character to it.
Seems like they shattered the comfort zone of evetards that think Dust is Eve.
To add further, these are mercs, not ships. |
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Blake Kingston
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
118
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Posted - 2013.10.14 10:26:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Too many times I have shot a laser to the point where I have to be very accurate to hit my target without missing, and they turn around around 60-80 meters and do full damage and kill me in seconds...what's the point of using the laser if I can just use an AR for that range... Yeah, the laser is just kinda over burdened with weaknesses - you aim down sights but they see you, you die. You fire fore too long, you A: Can't fire at all, B: Take damage B: Can't run
It's like they are trying to make the most generic AR game and make sure that works, before they make any other weapons really be part of play.
In the end the best you can do is not aim down sights but just keep firing from the hip, when they see you. Which isn't a huge option when they saw you while you aimed - dropping out of aim yet firing on the same target is awkward as hell.
Also, use active scanners. |
GTA-V FTW
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
401
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Posted - 2013.10.14 10:35:00 -
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What do you want from a LOL F2P P2W broken Lobby Shooter?
Scublets using AUR Pay 2 Win AR's are the thing that keeps this game going. |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
439
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Posted - 2013.10.14 10:45:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Too many times I have shot a laser to the point where I have to be very accurate to hit my target without missing, and they turn around around 60-80 meters and do full damage and kill me in seconds...what's the point of using the laser if I can just use an AR for that range... LoLoL just played an ambush and dropped a 36-3 with my laser. No recoil, Nice scope, great range. I find it really hard to believe the OP lol i agree hey dont you have the amarian assault proto? i only has adv you should put that laser rifle on that an op burn your **** up halfway and slide that dead accurate sight over they're head ..i promise you the laser will win at optimum range..you are not supposed to fire the laser in the beginning of your clip and connect it..over heat it a bit and then connect it after you kill the first person let off the r1 and target the nearest infantry..with the adv assault i can hold my over heat function. long enough to kill 3-6 people with one clip..you just have to use it right... by the time your laser hits the target it should already be on melt down mode
op no ar out ranges the laser. the laser actually out ranges the tac ar. |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
439
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Posted - 2013.10.14 10:48:00 -
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the only issue with the laser is that there is no point in using the elm or viziam.. the stnd rifle is all you need specc into it for skills and grab the proto amarian assault..and its bad ass..im running my stnd laser on stnd amarian assault fitting costs 15 k my average kdr in it is 15 so far on open mapes
think the best i pulled in that STND suit with the stnd laser was 31/1 |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1846
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Posted - 2013.10.14 10:59:00 -
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KGB Sleep wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:True Adamance wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Too many times I have shot a laser to the point where I have to be very accurate to hit my target without missing, and they turn around around 60-80 meters and do full damage and kill me in seconds...what's the point of using the laser if I can just use an AR for that range... Yup that's the worst, why does blaster tech out DPS a laser at its optimal? Because CCP does not think of it as a blaster, even though that's exactly what it's supposed to be. They made the mistake of calling it an assault rifle, which is what every noob will immediately gravitate to because of its familiar name and function. Shattering that comfort zone for the casual scrub is dangerous, so they will not fix it. It's a shame, because it could have easily had a lot more character to it. Seems like they shattered the comfort zone of evetards that think Dust is Eve. To add further, these are mercs, not ships.
Sounds like a Dust tard is salty because his game is getting shut down soon.
And actually they are blasters, not mercs or ships.
And blasters do a specific thing at a specific range. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2977
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:08:00 -
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KGB Sleep wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:True Adamance wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Too many times I have shot a laser to the point where I have to be very accurate to hit my target without missing, and they turn around around 60-80 meters and do full damage and kill me in seconds...what's the point of using the laser if I can just use an AR for that range... Yup that's the worst, why does blaster tech out DPS a laser at its optimal? Because CCP does not think of it as a blaster, even though that's exactly what it's supposed to be. They made the mistake of calling it an assault rifle, which is what every noob will immediately gravitate to because of its familiar name and function. Shattering that comfort zone for the casual scrub is dangerous, so they will not fix it. It's a shame, because it could have easily had a lot more character to it. Seems like they shattered the comfort zone of evetards that think Dust is Eve. To add further, these are mercs, not ships.
Dust is in New Eden you ******* idiot.
Jesus you'd think some people would remember that.... pathetic. Just like we build all of our weapons in specific ways, so too do the Gallente, why would they change their combat discipline on the ground when it works so well in space? |
KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
323
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:10:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:KGB Sleep wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:True Adamance wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Too many times I have shot a laser to the point where I have to be very accurate to hit my target without missing, and they turn around around 60-80 meters and do full damage and kill me in seconds...what's the point of using the laser if I can just use an AR for that range... Yup that's the worst, why does blaster tech out DPS a laser at its optimal? Because CCP does not think of it as a blaster, even though that's exactly what it's supposed to be. They made the mistake of calling it an assault rifle, which is what every noob will immediately gravitate to because of its familiar name and function. Shattering that comfort zone for the casual scrub is dangerous, so they will not fix it. It's a shame, because it could have easily had a lot more character to it. Seems like they shattered the comfort zone of evetards that think Dust is Eve. To add further, these are mercs, not ships. Sounds like a Dust tard is salty because his game is getting shut down soon. And actually they are blasters, not mercs or ships. And blasters do a specific thing at a specific range.
OK stickbundle tell you what.
Why don't we just take all the EVE ranges and apply them to weapons so we can snipe from Molden Heath to Curse region? Would you be happy then?
Shut you mouth baby.
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KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
323
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:14:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:KGB Sleep wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:True Adamance wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Too many times I have shot a laser to the point where I have to be very accurate to hit my target without missing, and they turn around around 60-80 meters and do full damage and kill me in seconds...what's the point of using the laser if I can just use an AR for that range... Yup that's the worst, why does blaster tech out DPS a laser at its optimal? Because CCP does not think of it as a blaster, even though that's exactly what it's supposed to be. They made the mistake of calling it an assault rifle, which is what every noob will immediately gravitate to because of its familiar name and function. Shattering that comfort zone for the casual scrub is dangerous, so they will not fix it. It's a shame, because it could have easily had a lot more character to it. Seems like they shattered the comfort zone of evetards that think Dust is Eve. To add further, these are mercs, not ships. Dust is in New Eden you ******* idiot. Jesus you'd think some people would remember that.... pathetic. Just like we build all of our weapons in specific ways, so too do the Gallente, why would they change their combat discipline on the ground when it works so well in space?
HEY ADAM
INFANTRY DOES NOT EQUAL AIRCRAFT IN ANY SETTING
THANK YOU DUMBASS GNITE |
KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
323
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:19:00 -
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Come and get some more.
Eve is ships, in space, different mechanics.
Perhaps plasma has a better range in heated atmosphere where it doesn't dissipate like in the cold of space.
Could it be that plasma can have range in that sense or would you rather bandwagon? |
Racro 01 Arifistan
The Surrogates Of War
56
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:20:00 -
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Tectonica Fusionus wrote:True Adamance wrote:Cosgar wrote:Try being a MD user and trying to arc shots. I've been getting popped outside of my draw distance. Finally broke down and put my SP I've been saving up for the combat rifle in the AR. I've even seen scouts, heavies, and Amarr assaults using ARs. No the point of this thread is not to use dirty Matari tech, but the glorious laser of our grand empire. Our glorious laser should not be outgunned by a Gallente weapon!
did you know our hybrid weapon tech is more adavanced than your your puny laser tech? |
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PEW JACKSON
s i n g u l a r i t y
88
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:23:00 -
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Extend LR optimal out to 100m,then add a gradual drop off to 120m, then ar can keep it's range and LR users will be in a more comfortable spot. |
843 Epidemic
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
283
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:24:00 -
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I can almost always out gun an AR with My SMGs and with a Scrambler assault variant. Snipers and forges can still out-do AR for obvious reasons, and if you're using a Proto Heavy against a Proto Assault and you lose it just means you suck.
Lasers are only good if you're using the Viziam, so if you were using the Viziam against the Duvolle and you lost it probably means he was strafing you weren't/you had way less HP/wasn't really optimal range. Whatever.
Everyone who says AR is OP might be right or might be wrong, but whatever the case they are certaintly beatable by any other gun if you know how to properly use it. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2979
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:34:00 -
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KGB Sleep wrote:
HEY ADAM
INFANTRY DOES NOT EQUAL AIRCRAFT IN ANY SETTING
THANK YOU DUMBASS GNITE
Sure it does from a design philosophy. You wouldn't alter already functional designs. |
KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
323
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:38:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:KGB Sleep wrote:
HEY ADAM
INFANTRY DOES NOT EQUAL AIRCRAFT IN ANY SETTING
THANK YOU DUMBASS GNITE
Sure it does from a design philosophy. You wouldn't alter already functional designs.
I apologize.
What I am trying to say is that designs in space do not always work the same way on the ground.
Heat rapidly fades in the cold of space.
Therefore it should be expected that weaponry using plasma would be capable of more distance in warmer environments.
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
474
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:48:00 -
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KGB Sleep wrote:True Adamance wrote:KGB Sleep wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:True Adamance wrote: Yup that's the worst, why does blaster tech out DPS a laser at its optimal?
Because CCP does not think of it as a blaster, even though that's exactly what it's supposed to be. They made the mistake of calling it an assault rifle, which is what every noob will immediately gravitate to because of its familiar name and function. Shattering that comfort zone for the casual scrub is dangerous, so they will not fix it. It's a shame, because it could have easily had a lot more character to it. Seems like they shattered the comfort zone of evetards that think Dust is Eve. To add further, these are mercs, not ships. Dust is in New Eden you ******* idiot. Jesus you'd think some people would remember that.... pathetic. Just like we build all of our weapons in specific ways, so too do the Gallente, why would they change their combat discipline on the ground when it works so well in space? HEY ADAM INFANTRY DOES NOT EQUAL AIRCRAFT IN ANY SETTING THANK YOU DUMBASS GNITE Aircraft do not equal spacecraft, if you are going to be like that. The races of New Eden have combat philosophies that work, in any setting. Why would the Gallente change something that works because they are on the ground? They use high DPS blasters at really close range, the AR should reflect this. If the AR behaved like it should , it would be no less effective than it currently is, just more niche, like all of the other weapons in the game. The current AR is an amalgamation of the GAR, the Combat Rifle and the Rail Rifle, but without any of their weaknesses. |
Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
474
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:53:00 -
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843 Epidemic wrote:I can almost always out gun an AR with My SMGs and with a Scrambler assault variant. Snipers and forges can still out-do AR for obvious reasons, and if you're using a Proto Heavy against a Proto Assault and you lose it just means you suck.
Lasers are only good if you're using the Viziam, so if you were using the Viziam against the Duvolle and you lost it probably means he was strafing you weren't/you had way less HP/wasn't really optimal range. Whatever.
Everyone who says AR is OP might be right or might be wrong, but whatever the case they are certaintly beatable by any other gun if you know how to properly use it. Uh. The Viziam sucks. For higher price, fitting requirement, SP requirement and feedback damage, you again the ability to shoot ~15 more "rounds" before it overheats. The standard LR is way better, because you can stack CX damage mods on it easier, and not lose half of your HP when you overheat, which the LR does fairly often. |
KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
323
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Posted - 2013.10.14 12:05:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote: Aircraft do not equal spacecraft, if you are going to be like that. The races of New Eden have combat philosophies that work, in any setting. Why would the Gallente change something that works because they are on the ground? They use high DPS blasters at really close range, the AR should reflect this. If the AR behaved like it should , it would be no less effective than it currently is, just more niche, like all of the other weapons in the game. The current AR is an amalgamation of the GAR, the Combat Rifle and the Rail Rifle, but without any of their weaknesses.
BS.
Why do people want to cherry pick physics? Add bullet drop to everything and give me a mirrored dropsuit ward off lasers then.
Modern day military weaponry can travel well over the distance of any map we play on.
The Lore argument needs to stop now. The goal isn't balance by lore it is balance by functional game mechanics so just stop.
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
474
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Posted - 2013.10.14 12:13:00 -
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KGB Sleep wrote:Fizzer94 wrote: Aircraft do not equal spacecraft, if you are going to be like that. The races of New Eden have combat philosophies that work, in any setting. Why would the Gallente change something that works because they are on the ground? They use high DPS blasters at really close range, the AR should reflect this. If the AR behaved like it should , it would be no less effective than it currently is, just more niche, like all of the other weapons in the game. The current AR is an amalgamation of the GAR, the Combat Rifle and the Rail Rifle, but without any of their weaknesses.
BS. Why do people want to cherry pick physics? Add bullet drop to everything and give me a mirrored dropsuit ward off lasers then. Modern day military weaponry can travel well over the distance of any map we play on. The Lore argument needs to stop now. The goal isn't balance by lore it is balance by functional game mechanics so just stop. EVE is balanced. Really well. Also mirror covercovered dropsuits wouldn't work for anything other than visible light. |
KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
323
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Posted - 2013.10.14 12:24:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:KGB Sleep wrote:Fizzer94 wrote: Aircraft do not equal spacecraft, if you are going to be like that. The races of New Eden have combat philosophies that work, in any setting. Why would the Gallente change something that works because they are on the ground? They use high DPS blasters at really close range, the AR should reflect this. If the AR behaved like it should , it would be no less effective than it currently is, just more niche, like all of the other weapons in the game. The current AR is an amalgamation of the GAR, the Combat Rifle and the Rail Rifle, but without any of their weaknesses.
BS. Why do people want to cherry pick physics? Add bullet drop to everything and give me a mirrored dropsuit ward off lasers then. Modern day military weaponry can travel well over the distance of any map we play on. The Lore argument needs to stop now. The goal isn't balance by lore it is balance by functional game mechanics so just stop. EVE is balanced. Really well. Also mirror covercovered dropsuits wouldn't work for anything other than visible light.
That's fine and all but my point about plasma still stands without challenge.
Dust is not space and therefore plasma is not affected by cold and lack of oxygen so it can fly father and burn longer.
Goodnight. |
Callsign Grave
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.10.14 13:19:00 -
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My 23% effectiveness at 65 meters disagrees with you. What tier was his/her fit? What was their prof.? What was their suit type (armor resists a little better)?
Then consider: Was it really your optimal? Were you using inferior tiered gear? What was your Prof.? What was your suit type?
If this is another complaint about duvolles killing people with std. or adv. gear again then your argument is made invalid. |
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