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Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 370	Posted - 2013.10.14 02:44:00 - [1] - Quote Too many times I have shot a laser to the point where I have to be very accurate to hit my target without missing, and they turn around around 60-80 meters and do full damage and kill me in seconds...what's the point of using the laser if I can just use an AR for that range...
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 370	Posted - 2013.10.14 02:46:00 - [2] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Same for shotties...... Exactly...
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 374	Posted - 2013.10.14 03:08:00 - [3] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Same for shotties...... Exactly... Same for the HMG. Duvolle AR featherpress R1 and dead HMG heavy...lol. Really ****** up...
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 380	Posted - 2013.10.14 03:19:00 - [4] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Too many times I have shot a laser to the point where I have to be very accurate to hit my target without missing, and they turn around around 60-80 meters and do full damage and kill me in seconds...what's the point of using the laser if I can just use an AR for that range... LoLoL just played an ambush and dropped a 36-3 with my laser. No recoil, Nice scope, great range. I find it really hard to believe the OP lol It was a Duvolle... and he saw me so...
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 380	Posted - 2013.10.14 03:26:00 - [5] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Tectonica Fusionus wrote: True Adamance wrote: Cosgar wrote: Try being a MD user and trying to arc shots. I've been getting popped outside of my draw distance. Finally broke down and put my SP I've been saving up for the combat rifle in the AR. I've even seen scouts, heavies, and Amarr assaults using ARs. No the point of this thread is not to use dirty Matari tech, but the glorious laser of our grand empire. Our glorious laser should not be outgunned by a Gallente weapon! Well yeah it should be out gunned, but never outranged. Nope. Like my Imperial Scrambler Rifle, it should not be outgunned/outranged by an Assault Weapon other than Caldari weapons.
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 380	Posted - 2013.10.14 03:27:00 - [6] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: [quoteisntonica Fusionus] True Adamance wrote: Cosgar wrote: Try being a MD user and trying to arc shots. I've been getting popped outside of my draw distance. Finally broke down and put my SP I've been saving up for the combat rifle in the AR. I've even seen scouts, heavies, and Amarr assaults using ARs. No the point of this thread is not to use dirty Matari tech, but the glorious laser of our grand empire. Our glorious laser should not be outgunned by a Gallente weapon! Wait..isnt the AR a Caldari gun?[/quote] Gallente... Caldari is blue weapons and slow and high precision.
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 380	Posted - 2013.10.14 03:38:00 - [7] - Quote 8213 wrote: Did it occur to you that the AR user had the AR Skill Branch maxed out? Or, that he had damage mods stacked on it? The Laser is the idiot Light Weapon. Just brush over an enemy for 1 second and you can kill (After SP is put into it). There's no recoil, you don't have to aim, and you're effective from over 100m(No AR can reach that). Perhaps you weren't playing against some scrub? Perhaps you're initial aim needs work? Perhaps you need a better suit layout? Perhaps you need to put more SP into the laser? As far as I'm concerned, the Laser is more than adequate for its purpose. He was far enough that my dot was the size of his head...I fired and his shields were pretty much insta kill, but he was Gallente...so his armor was tough, then he turned around and blam!!!
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 380	Posted - 2013.10.14 03:41:00 - [8] - Quote Cosgar. [/quote wrote: Short Range High DPS. The kind of Gun that if you get into Optimal Range, you are going to die unless you can kite your way back out. Minnies are the Short to Mid Range Amarr Mid to Long Caldari Long Range That's how it should be for the most part. Unfortunately, the only thing that can really beat an AR consistently is an ScR with its high alpha. But the nerf brigade is already complaining about that. We should all just run AR until CCP does something about it.[/quote] I just got Imperial Scrambler Rifle so no... True Adamance wrote: 8213 wrote: Did it occur to you that the AR user had the AR Skill Branch maxed out? Or, that he had damage mods stacked on it? The Laser is the idiot Light Weapon. Just brush over an enemy for 1 second and you can kill (After SP is put into it). There's no recoil, you don't have to aim, and you're effective from over 100m(No AR can reach that). Perhaps you weren't playing against some scrub? Perhaps you're initial aim needs work? Perhaps you need a better suit layout? Perhaps you need to put more SP into the laser? As far as I'm concerned, the Laser is more than adequate for its purpose. Did it occur to you that my Laser Tree might be maxxed out? Sorry... no. But he shouldn't have got me at that range anyways.
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 380	Posted - 2013.10.14 03:46:00 - [9] - Quote 8213 wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: 8213 wrote: Did it occur to you that the AR user had the AR Skill Branch maxed out? Or, that he had damage mods stacked on it? The Laser is the idiot Light Weapon. Just brush over an enemy for 1 second and you can kill (After SP is put into it). There's no recoil, you don't have to aim, and you're effective from over 100m(No AR can reach that). Perhaps you weren't playing against some scrub? Perhaps you're initial aim needs work? Perhaps you need a better suit layout? Perhaps you need to put more SP into the laser? As far as I'm concerned, the Laser is more than adequate for its purpose. He was far enough that my dot was the size of his head...I fired and his shields were pretty much insta kill, but he was Gallente...so his armor was tough, then he turned around and blam!!! I know full well the disdain for Gallant. My SCR can't stand them. But, my SCR also can't stand some guy who just holds down the trigger and waives his sight around until he nicks me and I lose 75% of my total HP. Meanwhile, I actually charge my weapon and fire a perfect shot, only to be nicked again and killed. Lasers do not reward skill, they are on par w/ the MD; a spam weapon. Meh just use guerrilla warefare on them. Like the terrorists...
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 380	Posted - 2013.10.14 03:48:00 - [10] - Quote Bleeding Knight wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Too many times I have shot a laser to the point where I have to be very accurate to hit my target without missing, and they turn around around 60-80 meters and do full damage and kill me in seconds...what's the point of using the laser if I can just use an AR for that range... Bullshit, how did you let this happen? How the ** do you die in seconds! You guys have to be playing a different game because at 60meters an assault rifle shooting you is no more than a pie shooter at which point you could run the ** away and move yourself further back. It's a Gallente weapon... I expected it to be inaccurate at that range...I was wrong.

Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 382	Posted - 2013.10.14 03:56:00 - [11] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Bleeding Knight wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Too many times I have shot a laser to the point where I have to be very accurate to hit my target without missing, and they turn around around 60-80 meters and do full damage and kill me in seconds...what's the point of using the laser if I can just use an AR for that range... Bullshit, how did you let this happen? How the ** do you die in seconds! You guys have to be playing a different game because at 60meters an assault rifle shooting you is no more than a pie shooter at which point you could run the ** away and move yourself further back. Maxed proficiency or stacked damage mods and you can wreck anyone at any distance. It's like Chromosome all over again. I only use 3 complex....
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 384	Posted - 2013.10.14 04:22:00 - [12] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Too many times I have shot a laser to the point where I have to be very accurate to hit my target without missing, and they turn around around 60-80 meters and do full damage and kill me in seconds...what's the point of using the laser if I can just use an AR for that range... LoLoL just played an ambush and dropped a 36-3 with my laser. No recoil, Nice scope, great range. I find it really hard to believe the OP lol stop comparing yourself with everyone else. Not many people have your "skill" Actuallly I believe he got that score not just with skill, but like 4 complex damage mods instead of 3, and proficiency 3 or above.
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 385	Posted - 2013.10.14 04:42:00 - [13] - Quote Bleeding Knight wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Too many times I have shot a laser to the point where I have to be very accurate to hit my target without missing, and they turn around around 60-80 meters and do full damage and kill me in seconds...what's the point of using the laser if I can just use an AR for that range... LoLoL just played an ambush and dropped a 36-3 with my laser. No recoil, Nice scope, great range. I find it really hard to believe the OP lol stop comparing yourself with everyone else. Not many people have your "skill" Actuallly I believe he got that score not just with skill, but like 4 complex damage mods instead of 3, and proficiency 3 or above. Laser is a very situational weapon, it's not hard to get a lot of kills and not die if you're not in the crossfire. I still have trouble believing the OP, he must have been doing something wrong even if the red had multiple damage modifiers and the proficiency in the Assault Rifle. 3 damage mods isn't very effective because the laser only does 17 damage...
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 397	Posted - 2013.10.15 01:39:00 - [14] - Quote 843 Epidemic wrote: I can almost always out gun an AR with My SMGs and with a Scrambler assault variant. Snipers and forges can still out-do AR for obvious reasons, and if you're using a Proto Heavy against a Proto Assault and you lose it just means you suck. Lasers are only good if you're using the Viziam, so if you were using the Viziam against the Duvolle and you lost it probably means he was strafing you weren't/you had way less HP/wasn't really optimal range. Whatever. Everyone who says AR is OP might be right or might be wrong, but whatever the case they are certaintly beatable by any other gun if you know how to properly use it. Correct. The thing is, you can still use the AR wrong, like say hip firing, and still dominate against a shotgun.
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 397	Posted - 2013.10.15 02:16:00 - [15] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Aircraft do not equal spacecraft, if you are going to be like that. The races of New Eden have combat philosophies that work, in any setting. Why would the Gallente change something that works because they are on the ground? They use high DPS blasters at really close range, the AR should reflect this. If the AR behaved like it should , it would be no less effective than it currently is, just more niche, like all of the other weapons in the game. The current AR is an amalgamation of the GAR, the Combat Rifle and the Rail Rifle, but without any of their weaknesses. BS. Why do people want to cherry pick physics? Add bullet drop to everything and give me a mirrored dropsuit ward off lasers then. Modern day military weaponry can travel well over the distance of any map we play on. The Lore argument needs to stop now. The goal isn't balance by lore it is balance by functional game mechanics so just stop. EVE is balanced. Really well. Also mirror covercovered dropsuits wouldn't work for anything other than visible light.[/quote] Eve is a tab shooter and Dust is an FPS I hope I don't need to explain the difference This whole niche argument needs to stop [/quote] OMG wtf reg? You saying certain weapons should just be garbage? LOL what is balance when long range weapons dont kill at long ranges? xD[/quote] Is that what I said? I believe there should be niche weapons in game, but not to the extreme that some of these players want. Basically, the OP is appalled that his laser lost a gunfight with an AR. To him, it should be cut and dry rock, paper, and scissors. Laser must always beat AR at optimal. He does not take in account for strafe, aim, or terrain. Furthermore with the above posts, most of this community is pushing for weapons that should win because its a counter and not because of their aim or skill. This line of thinking need to stop.A niche weapon should be the deciding factor when both players are of equal skill. Lastly, the only reason I am in this thread is because I recently skilled into the laser, and I find it absurd that he has an issue with the weapon. The Laser is great at its niche, and I would even argue to great.[/quote] Actually, I do... he was standing still, but yet he still insta killed me at somewhere around 57-61 meters. Yes I was shooting him in the head, but he was a Gallente.