4 toons in proper av fits could slay thouse mighty beasts in under a min with proper teamwork and ambush tactics. Great times and thats from when swarms lock on was slower and the forge gun shaked more than drug addict gone cold Turkey

I love it when people say stuff like this.

The average person playing Dust is in an NPC corp, and has scores like 8/12. So when the red team brings in a huge F-OFF tank these average players are not going to magically squad up, load up their AV fits and start discussing tactics to take him down.

I love it when people say stuff like this.

The average person playing Dust is in an NPC corp, and has scores like 8/12. So when the red team brings in a huge F-OFF tank these average players are not going to magically squad up, load up their AV fits and start discussing tactics to take him down.

They are good in pc

Like they would know lol and open beta starts on the 4th

Someone has to pay. Either the guy in the tank or the 16 infantry guys on the other team.

Which one do you think CCP will choose to pay?

EDIT - I'll give you a hint. The hint is - CCP took out Marauder tanks.

I feel for them but the same can be said for when a proto bear appears on the field spewing npc casual players blood all over the place. Proto tankers and proto capable players should not be matched maked with newer players. But that's a whole other kettle of fish and one that has been discussed for months now. We are talking the 15 million -25 million sp invested tankers being left high and dry once again with no love being seen till 1.7

So then get rid of squads and corps because its an unfair advantage for a casual player

If there was a squadless mode I would play it non stop, no lie. And noone playing it would ever complain about matchmaking again.

I love it when people say stuff like this.

The average person playing Dust is in an NPC corp, and has scores like 8/12. So when the red team brings in a huge F-OFF tank these average players are not going to magically squad up, load up their AV fits and start discussing tactics to take him down.

Someone has to pay. Either the guy in the tank or the 16 infantry guys on the other team.

Which one do you think CCP will choose to pay?

EDIT - I'll give you a hint. The hint is - CCP took out Marauder tanks.

True about proto players, but not to the same extent.

The casual player has a chance against proto suits because his gun can still kill the proto suit. A casual player will not have a dedicated AV fit, nor will he have the skills to evade the enemy infantry while shooting at the tank, which can murder the casual in a blink of an eye.

Tankers don't need their proto tanks back, as they can already easily take on and shrug off proto AV with STD tanks.

AV players would need one step above officer AV to even have a chance to compete with proto tanks.

Tanks should be re-labeled and the thought of the proto tanks of past should be nullified. Militia would be the new STD, STD would be the new ADV, and ADV would be proto.

The Saggy and Surya shouldn't be brought back, not now that we have active hardeners. You could very well push the thing's resistance into 99% and then some. The old Sag and Sur are far too powerful, birthed from the no-longer-CCP BLAM's feverish notion that vehicles do not need infantry support and that they are the endgame. If they were to bring them back, they would need to alter them heavily. Their attack bonus is obviously now taken by the Enforcer, and having too much defensive power without something lost, namely speed, would make them as uncrackable as they used to be. I'm sure they would eventually still die, put a moron at the helm and a Jovian Mothership is toast, but the old Marauders have no place in the current DUST514.

I do, however, believe that tankers and vehicle users in general need something. Not anything, but something. Hell, we all need something after 1.4.2

Hell, even if the Marauders came back the same way they were, they could just make an insane increase to how much they cost (even more expensive than the Enforcers; like 4 to 5 mill for the chassis) and then they would be pretty balanced. On top of that, I've lost a very well fitted Madrugar in seconds to a group of people in a dropship whom I didn't see out of my peripherals; They dropped down (only 2 people) and used remote explosives and AV grenades to wipe my tank out in a mere 3 to 5 seconds.

If there are people who are skilled enough to take out even the "beefiest" of tanks, then props to them for destroying something that will take 10+ matches easily to recover the cost. The cost alone could be the justifiable balance, and also small tweaks where needed.

Without a variety of vehicles (counting their respective echelons), this game gets stale very fast, and it has shown to be that way with a decent chunk of the community.

CCP are digging their own grave if they only care about their precious AR lovers...

Have you not heard of the notion called stacking penalty?

According to infantry, there's no stacking penalties for anything vehicle related, and we're still one-shotting installations and 2-shotting other tanks.

The Saggy and Surya shouldn't be brought back, not now that we have active hardeners. You could very well push the thing's resistance into 99% and then some. The old Sag and Sur are far too powerful, birthed from the no-longer-CCP BLAM's feverish notion that vehicles do not need infantry support and that they are the endgame. If they were to bring them back, they would need to alter them heavily. Their attack bonus is obviously now taken by the Enforcer, and having too much defensive power without something lost, namely speed, would make them as uncrackable as they used to be. I'm sure they would eventually still die, put a moron at the helm and a Jovian Mothership is toast, but the old Marauders have no place in the current DUST514.

I do, however, believe that tankers and vehicle users in general need something. Not anything, but something. Hell, we all need something after 1.4.2

I know enough you one-sided tank pundit. The Sag and Sur have far too much EHP. If we were to insert them here unaltered, then they would be leagues better than any other tank on the market. Not better bexause of flawed design choices, or better due to circumstance, but flat out better. They were labeled as Marauders, but most players knew of the Sag and Sur as Prototype Tanks due to how much better they were in every area, and areas where they weren't better they were at the very least on par. Marauders need to have a role to fit in to the new DUST system, and seeing as Enforcers are the fast and hard hitters, the Marauders need to be the slow and tanky ones. The Heavy to the Enforcer's Scout.

If they are entered in as they were, they just wouldn't die. If you're having tank problems, I feel for you. I've been a Logi since Mordu, back when Logi suits were a 16x skill, and I get shafted every few updates because boosters leech my class and because Assaults used the Caldari version as a supersuit. But I've seen what tanks can do. My tanker buddy does 32-0 standard in a Soma. Give him a Surya and you will make an unsinkable abortion of science.

Tankers don't need their proto tanks back, as they can already easily take on and shrug off proto AV with STD tanks.

AV players would need one step above officer AV to even have a chance to compete with proto tanks.

Tanks should be re-labeled and the thought of the proto tanks of past should be nullified. Militia would be the new STD, STD would be the new ADV, and ADV would be proto.

CCP, i know your havng trouble with getting the vehicles rehashed and out for the most undervalued people in the game in accordance to pub stompers. but as a PC vet i need my tankers and i love to see them on the other side. Vehicles dominate how you control an objective.



in order to not make them all rage quit, the answer is simple. bring back the tanks from chromosome that were always good.


Sagarises and Suryas.

not only would the tankers rejoice it would be cool to see these guys back and have the new guys experience getting stomped by the prettiest darn tank you'll ever see.

Don't be that guy CCP. Don't make our precious tankers leave.

CCP, i know your havng trouble with getting the vehicles rehashed and out for the most undervalued people in the game in accordance to pub stompers. but as a PC vet i need my tankers and i love to see them on the other side. Vehicles dominate how you control an objective.



in order to not make them all rage quit, the answer is simple. bring back the tanks from chromosome that were always good.


Sagarises and Suryas.

not only would the tankers rejoice it would be cool to see these guys back and have the new guys experience getting stomped by the prettiest darn tank you'll ever see.

Don't be that guy CCP. Don't make our precious tankers leave.

I know that there are resistance stacking penalties, but in comparison to a standard tank it would be as if a standard had severe resistances. 99% has a nice ring to it, and no one on the forums reacts to anything but gross exaggeration. That said, VERY high resistances are very possible, less possible in EVE where my corpie has a 95%~ omnitanked Rohk, but still quite high. A single active shield hardener boosts resistances by 30%. The skill behind it does not alter that, but the shield skill itself adds a 10% bonus. This leads to a 40% base bonus. If the stacking penalties are the same as EVE, the first module goes down to 50%. This means that two active can get 55%. Add a third at a 35% reduction, then you have 65.5%, only 10.5% by this point and kind of a wasted slot. Marauders had about twice the HP level of their basic brethren. This all adds up to an immensely high amount of EHP for no losses besides cost. They also had more slots, but I haven't got solid numbers there.

A Marauder needs to be a sidegrade, but there is no room for a MARAUDER anymore. Enforcers already take up the higher damage for lower survivability role. If we were to put them back in then the only sidegrade left would be more defense for less speed, which would not be a Marauder in EVE terms. If we just bring back the old Marauders, which WERE flat out better, then we wouldn't be able to counter them except with a second Marauder, which the first would shoot out of the sky. The OP didn't ask for new tanks, or a new kind of tank, or even a new set of racial tanks. He specifically asked for the Marauders from Chromosome. That, as I stated and you ignored, is a bad idea. As I stated, tanks do need something. Maybe a tankier kind of tank, maybe a slight numbers tweak, but not bringing back the Marauder class HAVs out of whatever CCP did to remove them. Could have been as simple as flipping them off the market when they did the equipment liquidizing.

I also did not insult you. You are a one-sided tank pundit. You only see things from the HAV point of view, you like driving HAVs, and you are very vocal about your love of HAVs. Not a word of that was false. You however did insult me by making a blanket statement detracting my intelligence.

the stacking penaltys do not work out like they do in Eve, your calculations are wrong. With the resistance skill maxed(10%) and the 3 proto passive sheild resistors (15%) each my total shield resist is 39.47%. Yes, i could remove one of those (then at 32.27%) for an active hardner, but they last for 10 seconds and cool for 30. it is not worth the endevor at all. With how much damage proto AV did and does and sheild tanks repping so little the sagaris required 2 ppl with forges to destroy effectively. And it was very effective, but no one in chrome had proto AV or worked together. it was glorious

They are good in pc

If either of you read all of my posts in this thread, all of which were made before you made your posts, you would look a little less like morons right now.