We are planning on giving Scout role some love in the future. We can see their performance dropping in game overall.

Scan results from scout suits should propagate to the entire team.

That'd be a buff for everyone else but Scouts.
How would that this help Scout performance?

That'd be a buff for everyone else but Scouts.
How would that this help Scout performance?

It's a buff in that scouts would gain an actual role in a team. As you yourself have pointed out, everything a scout can do, some other suit can do just as well with more eHP. Scouts sharing passive scan results allows scouts to do something no other suit can do--provide a constant stream of tactical data without alerting the enemy. I.E. the scout becomes the eyes and ears of their squad as a scout should be.

Can this hurt lone-wolf cqc hunting? Yes, if you squad with randoms who don't understand you are trying to lone-wolf... while in a squad. Otherwise, there is no real downside to the scout. If a scout moves off on their own, the game will be the same as now. If they move with their squad, their squad will be able to move more intelligently and the scout doesn't have to be the only one watching the squad's back.

If they give us this and call it a scout buff, I'm going to throw rocks through the nearest window. Running around standing within 10-20M of enemies so my team can see them is NOT a role, thank you very much.

It's a buff in that scouts would gain an actual role in a team. As you yourself have pointed out, everything a scout can do, some other suit can do just as well with more eHP. Scouts sharing passive scan results allows scouts to do something no other suit can do--provide a constant stream of tactical data without alerting the enemy. I.E. the scout becomes the eyes and ears of their squad as a scout should be.

Can this hurt lone-wolf cqc hunting? Yes, if you squad with randoms who don't understand you are trying to lone-wolf... while in a squad. Otherwise, there is no real downside to the scout. If a scout moves off on their own, the game will be the same as now. If they move with their squad, their squad will be able to move more intelligently and the scout doesn't have to be the only one watching the squad's back.

Your position is well argued, and it makes perfect sense. The fact remains, however, that Active Scanners are the ultimate "eyes and ears" recon tool. They are far superior in this role compared to a Scout's passive Recon capability. They're more precise, they cover substantially greater areas, and they operate at minimal risk.

The Active Scanner would remain superior at Recon even if our base scan range was substantially buffed.

Once WP are awarded for scan-assisted kills, there will likely be more Active Scanners than Scouts in any given battle.
The Scouts' role -- if a buffed in relation to Recon -- will thereby remain undefined.

Assassination, Survivability, Mobility, Flexibility (equipment / module slots) ...
These are the things that affect Scout Performance.
These are the things I'm hoping CCP is focusing upon in crafting our long-awaited buff.

- Shotty GoBang

Tons of valuable feedback for CCP :-)

@Ghost Kaiser

The backstab bonus is probably going to be difficult to implement, glitchy, and can potentially be abused* so I don't think that is a good idea.

Any idea to make scanners actually not able to detect us is a good one.

It's going to be a hard sell (at least with the community) for us to get both a speed boost and an extra mod slot (would be nice though).

* I imagine people will abuse it the same way you can abuse that perk in Skyrim where enemies lose sight of you for a second to deal sneak attack damage in the middle of a fight. In dust, if you get noticed, run past enemy, quickly turn around and knife/shotgun them for the bonus.

Yeah, thinking back. A backstab/Rear attack bonus would be hard to implement.

Any other idea's? I still want to get a bonus that would reward flanking/stealth when used for offense.

I've thought about it and the only thing that I can come up with won't work until we get the ability to modify our guns.

My idea is for scouts to have access to a special gun mod that greatly increases damage but also reduces rate of fire as well as ammo capacity. This would allow us to trade effectiveness in sustained combat for greater initial damage.

It would make scanning more personalized for scouts to the point that they're not completely obligated to carry a scanner for starters. But since we'll be getting WP for using the scanner, it kind of makes the point moot.

That'd be a buff for everyone else but Scouts.
How would that this help Scout performance?

On the topic of suit bonuses what are your thoughts on changing the dampening bonus?

The current dampening bonus keeps Lvl(5) Scouts safe from Basic and Advanced Scanners.
As these Scanner tiers are most commonly used, this Bonus is actually quite useful (IMHO).

I notice that when I light up my pursuers with a scanner, there's often a blueberry that comes running and helps me out.

Help can be a very bad thing for a Scout, especially when the Help blows your cover.

• When sneaking up behind a target, Helpful fire from behind alerting your target doesn't help.
• When stalking a pile of reds, Help rushing in and ruining your nade strike doesn't help.
• When luring an opponent into a trap, Help interfering doesn't help.
• When honorably dueling a hostile Scout Brother, Help tilting odds doesn't help.
• When haunting an objective, Help engaging a would-be hacker prematurely doesn't help.
• When operating in confined spaces, Help on your heels obstructing your escape route doesn't help.
• When working a flank, tag-along Help lighting up on hostile scanners doesn't help.

These scenarios are arguments against the "buff" of sharing Passive Scan results. In contrast, sharing Active Scanner results -- as you've described -- is indeed quite helpful. Like Duncan said, there's a good chance we Scouts are only gonna get one Christmas present from CCP. If that turns out to be the case, I hope CCP gifts us with something that helps directly. I could be wrong, but helping the Help will likely not help our performance.

Help can be a very bad thing for a Scout, especially when the Help blows your cover.

• When sneaking up behind a target, Helpful fire from behind alerting your target doesn't help.
• When stalking a pile of reds, Help rushing in and ruining your nade strike doesn't help.
• When luring an opponent into a trap, Help interfering doesn't help.
• When honorably dueling a hostile Scout Brother, Help tilting odds doesn't help.
• When haunting an objective, Help engaging a would-be hacker prematurely doesn't help.
• When operating in confined spaces, Help on your heels obstructing your escape route doesn't help.
• When working a flank, tag-along Help lighting up on hostile scanners doesn't help.

These scenarios are arguments against the "buff" of sharing Passive Scan results. In contrast, sharing Active Scanner results -- as you've described -- is indeed quite helpful. Like Duncan said, there's a good chance we Scouts are only gonna get one Christmas present from CCP. If that turns out to be the case, I hope CCP gifts us with something that helps directly. I could be wrong, but helping the Help will likely not help our performance.

My thoughts on Passive Scan Radius are thus:

Keep the Scan Radius of all Medium and Heavy Frame Suits/Variants at 10m, and increase the radius for all Light Frame Suits, and Non-Gallente Scout Suits, to 15m. Gallente Scouts stay at 10m. Don't yell at me, I'm not done yet.

The major change comes in the bonus that the Scan Radius skill gives you. I say increase that to 20% per level, and increase the Gallente Racial bonus for scouts to 20% as well.

What you will get in the end is this:

Medium and Heavy Frame Suits/Variants - 20m Passive Scan Radius with skill at Level 5.
All Light Frame/Non- Gallente Scout Suits - 30m Passive Scan Radius with skill at Level 5.
Gallente Scouts - 40m Passive Scan Radius with skill at Level 5, and Racial Bonus at Level 5.

This gives all scouts, and the Gallente in particular, a clear advantage in scan range, but also increases the scan range of the other suits as well, making a scouts stealth capabilities meaningful outside of just avoiding the Active Scanner.

I like the Backstab idea as well. If the rumors are true, and scouts are going to get cloaking device "SoonTM", then I would tie those two together. When cloaked, a scout gets somewhere between 10-25% damage bonus on the target (at any range), giving the scout an Alpha Strike ability that we currently lack. As soon as we fire though, we become visible and the bonus is then lost until the cooldown is complete and the cloak reactivates. So as long as the scout remains in active combat he does not get the Alpha Strike Bonus. This, combined with the changes in Passive Scan listed above, would make the scout the master of the Hit and Run. Still weak in a sustained fight, but deadly when fighting on our own terms.

Well you outcome seems reasonable but your start doesn't .
So what the reason for suit specialised in passive scanning having a lower value than a normal not specialized light frame? Doesn't make much sense to me...

So why not just change the skill to 5m (or 10m althoug that could be a bit OP) instead of 10 or 20%?. With 5m per level you would get a total of 35m scanradius for specialised scout suit (52m with maxed skills)...

But honestly I think the whole scout theme does not fit very well to the Gal scout it should be some sort of fast DPS dealer IHMO

My thoughts on Passive Scan Radius are thus:

Keep the Scan Radius of all Medium and Heavy Frame Suits/Variants at 10m, and increase the radius for all Light Frame Suits, and Non-Gallente Scout Suits, to 15m. Gallente Scouts stay at 10m. Don't yell at me, I'm not done yet.

The major change comes in the bonus that the Scan Radius skill gives you. I say increase that to 20% per level, and increase the Gallente Racial bonus for scouts to 20% as well.

What you will get in the end is this:

Medium and Heavy Frame Suits/Variants - 20m Passive Scan Radius with skill at Level 5.
All Light Frame/Non- Gallente Scout Suits - 30m Passive Scan Radius with skill at Level 5.
Gallente Scouts - 40m Passive Scan Radius with skill at Level 5, and Racial Bonus at Level 5.

This gives all scouts, and the Gallente in particular, a clear advantage in scan range, but also increases the scan range of the other suits as well, making a scouts stealth capabilities meaningful outside of just avoiding the Active Scanner.

I like the Backstab idea as well. If the rumors are true, and scouts are going to get cloaking device "SoonTM", then I would tie those two together. When cloaked, a scout gets somewhere between 10-25% damage bonus on the target (at any range), giving the scout an Alpha Strike ability that we currently lack. As soon as we fire though, we become visible and the bonus is then lost until the cooldown is complete and the cloak reactivates. So as long as the scout remains in active combat he does not get the Alpha Strike Bonus. This, combined with the changes in Passive Scan listed above, would make the scout the master of the Hit and Run. Still weak in a sustained fight, but deadly when fighting on our own terms.

As for the change in passive scan, what's wrong with just bumping all scouts to 20m?
This would mean that scouts get 30 (with range extender to 5) and gal scouts get 45.

A lvl 5 scout with profile dampening at 5 isn't going to have to worry about mediums and heavies seeing them unless the mediums and heavies stack precision mods, which very very few would be willing to do.

At the cost of 1m scan you could give the g-scout a starting 15 with a 6%(per level) boost. Should end up with, I think, 39m scan. This was just a compromise to those not liking the G-Scouts base scan being lower then the others. This allows them to start at the same point although the end result will be a little less.

This...is a good compromise.

Proto galante scout is best for speed with 4 low slots i calculated that they can get 1.00 more speed than a proto minmatar this is stupid and makes minmatar scouts useless apart from the shields but caldari scouts is coming

Proto galante scout is best for speed with 4 low slots i calculated that they can get 1.00 more speed than a proto minmatar this is stupid and makes minmatar scouts useless apart from the shields but caldari scouts is coming

On Scan Radius:

Fact - Scout Scan Radius was nerfed to 10m on release of Uprising.
Theory - This nerf was designed to encourage Active Scanner use.
Observation - Squad Sight changes have boosted Active Scanner use.
Prediction - Active Scanners will be commonplace once WP awards are deployed.

Thoughts:
Scout Scan Radius can now safely be returned to Chromosome standards without any threat to Active Scanner proliferation. This nerf reversal would be of benefit to both races, and would add value to the arguably ineffective Gallente Racial Bonus.

- Shotty GoBang

We also need hacked installations to be a little less omniscient ... they seem to detect and publish the location of absolutely anyone within a certain radius.

Proto galante scout is best for speed with 4 low slots i calculated that they can get 1.00 more speed than a proto minmatar this is stupid and makes minmatar scouts useless apart from the shields but caldari scouts is coming