DUST Search - The Fall of the Scout, Followup

Shotty GoBang wrote:

lrian Locust wrote:

I notice that when I light up my pursuers with a scanner, there's often a blueberry that comes running and helps me out.

Help can be a very bad thing for a Scout, especially when the Help blows your cover.

When sneaking up behind a target, Helpful fire from behind alerting your target doesn't help.
When stalking a pile of reds, Help rushing in and ruining your nade strike doesn't help.
When luring an opponent into a trap, Help interfering doesn't help.
When honorably dueling a hostile Scout Brother, Help tilting odds doesn't help.
When haunting an objective, Help engaging a would-be hacker prematurely doesn't help.
When operating in confined spaces, Help on your heels obstructing your escape route doesn't help.
When working a flank, tag-along Help lighting up on hostile scanners doesn't help.

These scenarios are arguments against the "buff" of sharing Passive Scan results. In contrast, sharing Active Scanner results -- as you've described -- is indeed quite helpful. Like Duncan said, there's a good chance we Scouts are only gonna get one Christmas present from CCP. If that turns out to be the case, I hope CCP gifts us with something that helps directly. I could be wrong, but helping the Help will likely not help our performance.


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IAmDuncanIdaho II The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 81	Posted - 2013.09.26 22:50:00 - [1] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: Absolute Idiom II wrote: Scan results from scout suits should propagate to the entire team. That'd be a buff for everyone else but Scouts. How would that this help Scout performance? It would make scanning more personalized for scouts to the point that they're not completely obligated to carry a scanner for starters. But since we'll be getting WP for using the scanner, it kind of makes the point moot. I can't tell if this would be good or not - gut instinct is not but there are good arguments both sides. One thing I think of is, when does a scout ever run with the squad blob? Unless you're actually trying to find the enemy, which often isn't difficult, and scanners excel at, not really seeing much use. But I'd love to try it out. The other thing I'd say is I think we as scouts are at the point where we're so desperate for something, we're scared to even suggest something might be good when it might not be the best thing we could get. Because we feel like we're only gonna get one christmas present, and the next present is a year away.
IAmDuncanIdaho II The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 84	Posted - 2013.09.27 08:20:00 - [2] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: lrian Locust wrote: I notice that when I light up my pursuers with a scanner, there's often a blueberry that comes running and helps me out. Help can be a very bad thing for a Scout, especially when the Help blows your cover. When sneaking up behind a target, Helpful fire from behind alerting your target doesn't help. When stalking a pile of reds, Help rushing in and ruining your nade strike doesn't help. When luring an opponent into a trap, Help interfering doesn't help. When honorably dueling a hostile Scout Brother, Help tilting odds doesn't help. When haunting an objective, Help engaging a would-be hacker prematurely doesn't help. When operating in confined spaces, Help on your heels obstructing your escape route doesn't help. When working a flank, tag-along Help lighting up on hostile scanners doesn't help. These scenarios are arguments against the "buff" of sharing Passive Scan results. In contrast, sharing Active Scanner results -- as you've described -- is indeed quite helpful. Like Duncan said, there's a good chance we Scouts are only gonna get one Christmas present from CCP. If that turns out to be the case, I hope CCP gifts us with something that helps directly. I could be wrong, but helping the Help will likely not help our performance. So what about giving scouts an innate ability to selectively upload their passively scanned targets to tacnet. If the UI somehow allowed you to select one or more reds and then hit a button to upload, you effectively............... You know what, I just decided this isn't a good idea, this is the whole idea behind using a mic............. You know what, I just decided maybe it is a good idea after all, because it's far more useful than what you can describe on a mic (which would also require you be in the same chat as everyone else) I think the idea I'm trying to convey is that marking targets for the whole team on tacnet might be a nice team addition to define a scout's role. The tacnet idents could be static (ie movement not tracked) and last for a short period of time (like 3s or something) So if we got a buff to scan radius, and this addition, we could dictate which targets we weren't going to deal with ourselves, or that we wanted to make the team aware of. I guess it's kind of like a replacement for when anyone could "light em up" by targeting a red with your weapon. It also plays well with the idea of a scout not running with the blob, because you're gonna cover more of a map and find more targets than non-recon scouts will, so that seems to make sense. This would still allow us to do everything we do now. I dunno, I also feel like I want this idea ignored because there are better things to do to scouts that you guys have all already identified in the last 84-odd days :-o