...PLEASE, TROLLS are not welcome...

-AVers Get WP for Conecting hits to tanks, say 15-20WP per hit. THIS WAY Av specialists have an incentive to keep Tanks at bay.

So per volley of a Wiyrkomi swarm, you're looking at 90-120 WP? The sky will rain with orbitals and tears.

thanks for sharing. +1

I wouldn't mind, having slightly better active module that would be fantastic, nor to mention a slightly better turning speed. but yeah some slight EHP buff, an AMARR HAV release and pilot suit and I'm a happy man.

Now 1st off i must say we are doing this wrong.
The community, me included, is fighting almost daily ,Tankers vs AV and now our posts are unproductive.
Now OBVIOUSLY everyone has a different point of VIEW. ...

This post is NOT TO DISCUSS anything, but to share what WE THINK would help balance the game towards an enjoyable experience.Tankers and AVers are both invited now PLEASE take into consideration CCP might read this so keep it balanced and as less biased as possible.
Now before you start with your; you are not a tanker crap i'll say.Im an AVer.But i have 2 tanker accounts now one over 8 mill armor tank and a new one 3 mil shield tanker (God those things are awful)

Im going to start:

-Armor tank HP buff (AT LEAST +50% more HP) + Slight speed reduction (So that when equipped with Torque increasing modules or/and Nitro they will be fast but not as fast as shield tanks)
-Shield HP buff (At least +40% more HP,they would still have la lot less HP than Armored tanks) + Regenerator buff
-Shield tanks are supposed to,same as shield dropsuits, to be hit and run abusers.They need at least a 100%-200% increase in shield regen per second (Say from 22 to 44 or 66 per second).This would make the hit and run strategy viable.
-AV STAYS THE SAME
-Both type of tanks have increased damage reduction vs non AV weapory.
-Prox mines Have a big buff, making them the ULTIMATE AV weapon,but the most annoying to use
This helps the balance since tanks would be a lot harder to kill with at least 8000-14000 HP (armor tanks) and AV in general will only be able to push them back, BUT if they eat some prox mines they would be highly damaged.This is balance: TAnks die less to AV in general, tanks die easily to Prox Mines, making ZONING and positioning the new AV vs Tank WAR.
-AVers Get WP for Conecting hits to tanks, say 30WP per hit (in case o plasma cannons and FGs),10 WP per grenade and 5 per swarm. THIS WAY Av specialists have an incentive to keep Tanks at bay.This WP were assigned to have some relation between them but it might be a smaller amount per hit/ Just used as examples.
-Dropships need a Buff in general.HP,SPeed and WP gain
-LAVs are good as they are.People who heavily invested in LAVs still have powerful vehicles, yet BPO and MLT are crap. I wouldnt touch it.LAV are balanced.


Again this is MY opinion and the idea of this thread is NOT to discuss them,but to provide YOUR opinion on what should be done. THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION POST, just post your ideas on what needs to be balanced and PLEASE, TROLLS are not welcome , TY.

well atm shield tanks gdt destroyed by one guy running forge gun on a tower, make it so i you're on a tower for 5 seconds you get pushed off.

Ok here we go, I think Im gonna **** off a lot of tankers here but oh well.

First off a few important points or assumptions I am making.

Ammo Cache will take low slot
Damage Amplfiers in high slots,
ALL armour active modules are low slots
ALL Sheild active modules are high slots
All weapon based improvements (except damage amplifiers) are low slots
engine modules are low slots
Ewar modules are high slots
countermeasures are high slots
WP awarded for vehicle damage

* Passive and active health is extreme of each case assuming full health modules of that type.

Armour Tanks

Passive Health: Collasal (25 -30 k)
Equivalent Active Health: Low (3-4k)
Main Turret Power: Medium
Speed: Snail
Ammo reserves: Moderate
** Railgun: 40
**Blaster: 300
** Missile 30 salvos

The armour tank is all about passive aggresive module use. An armour tank can reach as much as 20K and still maintain a decent rep speed. Active modules provide better bonuses than passive but only for a 2-3mins at a time and still require a decent passive health to be of use!

The fact that ammo cache modules are in low slots mean an armour tank must sacrifice a lot of health for a few extra salvos. The low speed of a tank means that it is incredibly reliant on infantry to suppress av attempts if the tank needs to escape. But scanners allows an armour tank to easily point out enemy infantry, in addition to the active countermeasures.

The use of the damage amplifiers allows an armour tank to become an impressive artillery platform for a short period, but the lack of heat cooling modules means an armour tank can't keep up a dedicated stream of rounds.

That's not good at all.

What they need to do is make all towers infantry accessible, so that you don't have to suicide a dropship up there to take them down, but at the same time give them less of a reason to be up there, verticality is cool yes, but why have access to a building top without solid rails, or fall guards.

Put those up there, the occasional place for a FGer to shoot from, but make it so that infantry can climb up there to take them down, and that the firing points and few and far betweem.

Why are weapon modules low slots, that diverges from this games normal archetype, Armour needs to be slow moving brawlers, shields fast moving light skirmishers.

Sheild tanks

Passive Health: Pitiful (500- 1.5K)
Equivalent Active Health: Collasal (20-30 K)
Main turret power: Low
Speed: Hypersonic
Ammo reserves: Moderate
** Rail: 40
** Blaster: 300
**Missile: 30 salvos

The sheild tank is all about hit and run, it can sponge enough damage via active modules to leave that pitiful base hp untouched. 2 Shots with a forge will be enough to fell a sheild tanker without his active modules. This makes sheild tanks perfect for a punching a hole in enemy defences.

The large active health means a sheild tanker doesn't need to be concerned about av while his modules are on. But when he is vunerable his lack of scanning means he is entirely dependent on infantry support. Passive modules help a little but only serve purpose to empower the active modules. Active modus allow a sheild tan

Sheild tanks

Passive Health: Pitiful (500- 1.5K)
Equivalent Active Health: Collasal (20-30 K)
Main turret power: Low
Speed: Hypersonic
Ammo reserves: Moderate
** Rail: 40
** Blaster: 300
**Missile: 30 salvos

The sheild tank is all about hit and run, it can sponge enough damage via active modules to leave that pitiful base hp untouched. 2 Shots with a forge will be enough to fell a sheild tanker without his active modules. This makes sheild tanks perfect for a punching a hole in enemy defences.

The large active health means a sheild tanker doesn't need to be concerned about av while his modules are on. But when he is vunerable his lack of scanning means he is entirely dependent on infantry support. Passive modules help a little but only serve purpose to empower the active modules. Active modules last 1.30 tops but require 3-4min cooldowns.

Meanwhile the available ammo

That's not good at all.

What they need to do is make all towers infantry accessible, so that you don't have to suicide a dropship up there to take them down, but at the same time give them less of a reason to be up there, verticality is cool yes, but why have access to a building top without solid rails, or fall guards.

Put those up there, the occasional place for a FGer to shoot from, but make it so that infantry can climb up there to take them down, and that the firing points and few and far betweem.

Since you asked nicely, I will post on exactly what I think needs changing:

(note:I'm not covering the overall changes for vehicle hulls, as you guys probably know my opinion, and we really don't know how much they will change in the vehicle update in terms of max eHP)

AV vs. Vehicles: I don't think that soloing should be a viable option for taking them down. They should only be good for suppressing them,. If you're pretty good, has perfect position and timing, and with a bit of luck, yea, you deserve that kill, but otherwise, no. HOWEVER, If there's 2 or 3 of those AV'ers, generally speaking, that vehicle should be a lot easier to take out (unless it's a special type such as Marauder), which should tank damage like a boss), or it's gone, unless the pilot finds a distraction and get the **** out of there. But that's if the AV'ers have somewhat good of a position; not like on the same plain right out in front of it, or around a corner. Also, not really for Forge Guns, but for swarms, they need countermeasures, or the swarms need a changed tracking, as it's pretty hard to avoid a swarm (unless you're a LAV that's already around a corner, or a DS that's already far away, in which not all of those vehicles are fitted to be able to run like that).

Swarms: The rendering needs fixed so you can see them better when they are launched. Also, like I said, they need a better tracking. Make it more flat, but make it a little bit faster. Lastly, make the lock on longer by another .2-.5 seconds, and increase the box size 4, and it's max ammo 8. 3/6 is too low imo.

Forges: Same as Swarms, make the rendering better so you can see them at range. Also, make the glow a different color, as it blends in to the environment a lot, as well as make it a little bit bigger (not by much, just slightly). Next, either make it less accurate at range (kinda bad idea), or or reduce it's optimal range, and raise it's damage drop off to the absolute range. Damage and charge up time is fine. Oh wait, before I forget, reduce that damn splash damage already!

AV nades: massive reduction for damage (I'm talking 60-80%). But, they get a slight range buff, and they get a EWAR effect that effects tracking on the turrets, speed, or active modules for a short period of time(like 10-15 seconds). They shouldn't be a killing factor, just something to scare the pilots and thinking that they're getting trapped. Also a helper for EWAR fits.

General Vehicles: The Tech 2 vehicles needs to be adjusted (and brung back), and adjusted, just like they are, or similar to in this: Click

How many times did you reply to my thread, yet here you are, yet again, a non-pilot making another tank thread.