OMG....thats genius...you can't get WP when your in the redzone lol XD, why have we not thought of this simple fix before

Hmm unsure here but you are complaining about it and at the same time saying it brings you joy to counter snipe them while they are in there...? So... you're for or against redline sniping?

Dear snipers that like to sit in the way back in the redzone, eff all of you. it is one of the worst ill honored B I T C H move tactic I've ever come across in any FPS, especially when an entire squad decides to do it, and counter sniping you brings me a joyful but shamelful sense of satisfaction, I shouldnt stop what I'm doing in a game to go and equip me rifle and shoot snipers that think they are smart and "exploiting game mechanics" and snipers that dont know how to properly watch their own asses in the active zone and its sorta like reverse spawn camping....or a more literal meaning of it.

And ccp needs to either not give them sp for doing this (sorta like in Killzone 3 when you cant hide and get points outside the active area)....or after a certain amount of meters not allow this to happen. Snipe like a real sniper, you'll grow better that way >: D

Lol, "snipe like a real sniper". Somebody needs to read up on real sniping. Yeah, snipers are a *****. That's the idea. WP? What's that? Can I shoot it?

There are a sh*tton of places a sniper can't hit esp. If shooting from the redline. You have found the solution too in countersniping.

I don't see the problem other than the same "everything ought to be basic, vanilla assault" arguement.

It is apparently effective and valid game play.

As much as I hate snipers, your thread is an example that the sniper is doing his job. A sniper is supposed to be at a location where he cannot be hit or found. And his job is to demoralize the enemy as well as give intel to his teammates.

Again, I can't stand snipers because of that but a good sniper I respect. If he wants to hide behind the redline, fine. I have no problems with going into the redline to give em a personal signed F U very much card with the unloading of my "OP" AR.

It's not about fairness, this is war. Unless New Eden has some rules of engagement that I'm unawares of, the sniper is doing what he's allowed to do.

I usually don't snipe, but when I do, I redzone snipe with tank protologi suit. Other time I spam DL and Hives in battleground.

Heh thank you, I only thought about it due to Killzone where you cant earn points in the Body guard parts of the match by trying to hide way where its almost impossible to get at the target.

sarcasm fail

Well yes..you fail at it quite well...it wasnt funny and i still feel smarter : D

sarcasm: the bastard stepchild of irony

Yes the point of a sniper is to be unseen and unreachable, and yeah a sniper is doing their job...but at the same time thats like saying spawn camping is the best thing to do cus the game is about killing the other players...its unfair and breaks the balance, those aspects tend to lead to making games unplayable.

And I said snipers that sit way in the back of the redzone, meaning that you wont be able to touch them within the time limit given, or if there is a bunch of them in the redzone an you cannot possibly get to even one of them since you're forced to take snipers on head on instead of trying to get around them. Your OP AR will be about as good as a rock.

And like i said it breaks the integrity and immersion of a game of "war" when there is a place that the other team cannot walk on without exploding, that never happens in any war, videogame or real...so I still think it is a really bad mechanic to exploit, and i dont feel demoralized about getting killed by that kind of sniper, I just feel cheated and annoyed, which should never happen in any game. I feel like that if the sniper is in the play zone and has legitimately outsmarted me. not by taking the cheapest of all shots.

Welp there will always be those players that cant get kills the manly way

And actually I dropped hives to other fellow snipers yesterday

Yes the point of a sniper is to be unseen and unreachable, and yeah a sniper is doing their job...but at the same time thats like saying spawn camping is the best thing to do cus the game is about killing the other players...its unfair and breaks the balance, those aspects tend to lead to making games unplayable.

And I said snipers that sit way in the back of the redzone, meaning that you wont be able to touch them within the time limit given, or if there is a bunch of them in the redzone an you cannot possibly get to even one of them since you're forced to take snipers on head on instead of trying to get around them. Your OP AR will be about as good as a rock.

And like i said it breaks the integrity and immersion of a game of "war" when there is a place that the other team cannot walk on without exploding, that never happens in any war, videogame or real...so I still think it is a really bad mechanic to exploit, and i dont feel demoralized about getting killed by that kind of sniper, I just feel cheated and annoyed, which should never happen in any game. I feel like that if the sniper is in the play zone and has legitimately outsmarted me. not by taking the cheapest of all shots.

Ok so they're using the field to their advantage. What's the problem? Also in fact, there is no actual rule that states that spawn camping is not allowed. It's an understanding between players but if one decides to spawn camp, he's neither a cheat or a abuser of it. He is well within his right to stand there and kill each merc who spawns there. Someone should be on comms warning about the spawn camper.

It doesn't break the integrity and immersion of a game of war. It's part of war. Why else you think snipers get killed when they are found in actual war?

Yea, its frustrating. Yea its getting on your nerves. But the truth is they can do that. As much as I hate snipers, I don't want the rules changed to what you suggested. It's okay for me when I have to do some redline sniping but for me to complain when its done to me is rather silly.

In other words, take your butt whoopings like a man. Either pull out your snipes or have a teammate go after the target with their sniper.

Ok, you just don't get what I'm saying. You keep throwing everything else into the fray. If I continue down this road with you, you will talk about everything from murder taxi to spawn uplinks just to support your "snipers shouldn't be sniping from redline" argument.

And c'mon with this "THAT is what war is". Really, in war you don't have a forum to come back to and talk about what's fair. It's life and death so just what in the hell are you talking about? You don't get to respawn if a sniper kills you from an undisclosed location. You don't get to tell him he's less of a man because of it. He's alive and you're dead. Period. In war they have a Geneva Convention but it doesn't mean squat to some armies. The thought of that is not going to keep you from death nor will it stop torture.

You guys whine just WAY too much about everything. Leave up to the community, Dust 514 will become just an octagon with people using actual Nerf toys as weapons. Deal with it.

an assaulter is pissed because a sniper is sniping...

now iv seen everything in this forum.

In defence of snipers, "some" don't realise they are in the redline since its not shown on their side of the map (i.e. it's closer for the enemy). Addition of a yellow DMZ is probably a better analogy for this. Personally I don't mind redline snipers, its part of the game & mechanics.

I'm a sniper and shot gunner...

and your complaining that other snipers are acting like snipers and not shotguners

and your complaining that other snipers are acting like snipers and not shotguners

yeah, eff all those snipers who refuse to snipe from within my AR range...cowards. Though your role includes the fact of using your long range advantage and your ability to work from stratetic places overlooking the whole match, it's obvious that you should be sniping from 50m at ground level.

Lol cere harkens would quit dust. This is all he does.

Dear snipers that like to sit in the way back in the redzone, eff all of you. it is one of the worst ill honored B I T C H move tactic I've ever come across in any FPS, especially when an entire squad decides to do it, and counter sniping you brings me a joyful but shamelful sense of satisfaction, I shouldnt stop what I'm doing in a game to go and equip me rifle and shoot snipers that think they are smart and "exploiting game mechanics" and snipers that dont know how to properly watch their own asses in the active zone and its sorta like reverse spawn camping....or a more literal meaning of it.

And ccp needs to either not give them sp for doing this (sorta like in Killzone 3 when you cant hide and get points outside the active area)....or after a certain amount of meters not allow this to happen. Snipe like a real sniper, you'll grow better that way >: D

oy you folks are dense attack hyenas...its more than just the effing sniping...I promote sniping from skyscrapers and blah blah hard to reach places...but this is the only game i know of where there's an effing redzone that other players cannot get to, or find a counter sniper point in some cases as the rest of the map is limited...and YES I DO FIND THAT A BIT BOTHERSOME IN A GAME, why other games dont have it? cus its not a good aspect in a game...learn how games work...****

OMG....thats genius...you can't get WP when your in the redzone lol XD, why have we not thought of this simple fix before

because they have 100's of times, it''s still stupid, when a team gets rolled they get forced into the red zone, if their teams aren't going to get points for fighting in their they should just leave, it punishes losing teams.

See..now that's a smart arguement actually, I guess this just boils down to one man's mercy is another man's grace. Like yeah that's the purpose it was intended for..but that same luxury can be used for foul play....I guess there's no real way to fix it though...

Dear snipers that like to sit in the way back in the redzone, eff all of you. it is one of the worst ill honored B I T C H move tactic I've ever come across in any FPS, especially when an entire squad decides to do it, and counter sniping you brings me a joyful but shamelful sense of satisfaction, I shouldnt stop what I'm doing in a game to go and equip me rifle and shoot snipers that think they are smart and "exploiting game mechanics" and snipers that dont know how to properly watch their own asses in the active zone and its sorta like reverse spawn camping....or a more literal meaning of it.

And ccp needs to either not give them sp for doing this (sorta like in Killzone 3 when you cant hide and get points outside the active area)....or after a certain amount of meters not allow this to happen. Snipe like a real sniper, you'll grow better that way >: D

Redline sniping isn't foul play, It's a operating from the area given. quit being a baby, get a free suit, an LAV or a Cheap dropship, hunt the snipers ass down. Of course you can't hit him back if your vision is blurred by your own tears. HTFU.
Redline snipers CAN be counter, redline tank snipers CAN be countered, learn and adapt.
Also if were ever on a map I consider a Thale's map together, I'll make you hate redline sniping more than you ever have.

i have a heavy with 1300 hp and a charge sniper just for these redliners. i got so sick of them i actually specced into it to kill those bloody pansies.

For the last time...I didnt say i didnt kill them, i fought them just fine...I just said I personally found the tactics very annoying and kinda cheap, a low blow if you would, and since I've never seen it in a game before..I kinda know why Dev's dont put this kinda things in their games...so...stop it...you're not drawing a smart argument kid.

i have a heavy with 1300 hp and a charge sniper just for these redliners. i got so sick of them i actually specced into it to kill those bloody pansies.

See..now that's a smart arguement actually, I guess this just boils down to one man's mercy is another man's grace. Like yeah that's the purpose it was intended for..but that same luxury can be used for foul play....I guess there's no real way to fix it though...

i have a heavy with 1300 hp and a charge sniper just for these redliners. i got so sick of them i actually specced into it to kill those bloody pansies.

There is. No WP\kills to whoever killing from redzone or killing in redzone, that will fix a bit pubstombing & 1k - 1.6k hp redline TAR-07 snipers. Smart ones are realy hard to kill.

Imagine proto heavy 1600+ hp with TAR-07, hiding behind LLAV. You need at least 2 snipers with Kaalakiotas shooting simultaneously in the head 3-4 bullets, & heavy head hitbox can say foockya, no headshot!

No longer needed or useful..... Which after figuring out that the fix for redline snipers is to kill them, your thread is no longer needed or useful.

good day

Come to mention it one of those dudes in that redline squad i mentioned was a heavy...he didnt have that much armor, but eeehh he was slow enough luckily. but still...redliners are ass holes

No longer needed or useful..... Which after figuring out that the fix for redline snipers is to kill them, your thread is no longer needed or useful.

good day

There is maps with no place to counter-snipe to some locations or sniper rifles able to kill something with 1600+ hp. It's a problem & it's need to be fixed. Dust dies & we loosing players because of those "poor designed" maps, mechanics etc.

Then again...I would say that "if im chasing down an enemy I wouldnt want him/her trying to run over the border so that my kill doesnt count and they've trolled me" thats the only way I see how that fix would backfire...but at the same time the redzone is never defined anyways so it'd be hard to find that border line.

There is maps with no place to counter-snipe to some locations or sniper rifles able to kill something with 1600+ hp. It's a problem & it's need to be fixed. Dust dies & we loosing players because of those "poor designed" maps, mechanics etc.

But it will stop him from doing that & he won't get any kills\WP for killing from that border, because it will be pointless.

The 1600+ HP sniper I think was a hyperthetical creation, also, you can always be countered ALWAYS. 1600+ HP sniper would only have the bullets he spawned with also. bigger target, slower target.

The 1600+ HP sniper I think was a hyperthetical creation, also, you can always be countered ALWAYS. 1600+ HP sniper would only have the bullets he spawned with also. bigger target, slower target.

I played a match last night that I happened to start as AV. I saw a dropship leave somone on a high center tower but couldn't get a lock from where I was on it. Switched to sniper and saw the guy up there but out of range for the lowly rifle I use. Long story short, he killed me 4 times before I could even get a bead on him.

Pissed, no, he was doing a great job for his team. He could have been taken out with a coordinated effort, or if I had a better rifle, plasma cannon, or if I had just gotten him earlier in his dropship. He was obviously effective against stationary players but I did a fair amount of running around with no problem.

He was much more inaccessible on the tower and in a much better position than he would have been in the red zone.

I don't call it redline sniping when I do it.

I call it ISK farming.

(Buying 1,000 HMGs at a time gets expensive.)

Complain all you want about redline sniping, but it works. I went 29-0 the other day from the redline. What did this accomplish, one the enemy was unable to organize itself on one side of the board and two I prevented them from taking or holding the objective. I redline snipe due to lack of good sniper positions and the fact how easy it is to kill us. Thanks to our radar no longer working, we cannot see anyone approaching from the rear. So you expect me to shoot, stop, scan, and reset my position just to please you, well F*** you. Bong, did you hear that, of course not because you are now dead.

OMG....thats genius...you can't get WP when your in the redzone lol XD, why have we not thought of this simple fix before

Yes the point of a sniper is to be unseen and unreachable, and yeah a sniper is doing their job...but at the same time thats like saying spawn camping is the best thing to do cus the game is about killing the other players...its unfair and breaks the balance, those aspects tend to lead to making games unplayable.

And I said snipers that sit way in the back of the redzone, meaning that you wont be able to touch them within the time limit given, or if there is a bunch of them in the redzone an you cannot possibly get to even one of them since you're forced to take snipers on head on instead of trying to get around them. Your OP AR will be about as good as a rock.

And like i said it breaks the integrity and immersion of a game of "war" when there is a place that the other team cannot walk on without exploding, that never happens in any war, videogame or real...so I still think it is a really bad mechanic to exploit, and i dont feel demoralized about getting killed by that kind of sniper, I just feel cheated and annoyed, which should never happen in any game. I feel like that if the sniper is in the play zone and has legitimately outsmarted me. not by taking the cheapest of all shots.

ok so you are arguing about red line snipers being bad, cheap and a poor sport of a player when they just sit there and snipe people. but to me, sniping out in the active areas isn't fair for snipers when most or all of their spots are rendered useless or in the range of AR player. I don't red line snipe, but trying to find a spot out in the active area is very hard to do, and most times not worth it when the battle isn't happening around there. active snipers have to actually walk around and look for the battle that may not be there when they arrive to help out, only to be in the range of the AR or laser user, and not being about to do anything with whatever sidearm they have in time to fight back. want to talk about fairness? make it fair for snipers somehow to use their sniper rifles better by opening more map spots, or tweaking the rifle itself. snipers can't do much of anything within the range of AR, ScM and lasers.

Change your fit Skippy. Either that or cry me a river.

...I am a sniper/ Shot gun main, and when I'm sniping...

btw it's worth mentioning this is only an issue on old maps, the new maps tend to have their red lines pushed so far back red line snipers can't hide in them, they'd simply never see a target.

even at that I still see teams pushed into them, in one instance we had them pushed so far back we would need to move inside of their red line just to snipe them. good times heh....

The first half of your argument is almost like saying OMG im a shotgunner..its unfair that I dont have range! you pick a class not just for its perks, but to also accept the consequences of picking the class and taking to those risks...also there are plenty PLENTY of places on the active map that are well hidden and hard to get to also a good sniper knows that after several shots or if their position is compromised MOVE to a different spot its call strategy and watching your butt, like the nasa rocket ship looking- building or the phallic-shaped sky scrapers, even big arse heavies can snipe with forge guns successfully if they're good enough...I'd hate to see how redline snipers fair at sniping in any other shooter that has no redline...and for the record i didnt say they were bad till someone just pointed it out...and it isnt fair that a person can sit on a mass of land with breathable air and atmosphere and for some odd reason other people can't walk around in it without dropping dead all of a sudden, shot gunners dont get that if someone is outside their firing range.

Though I will say, in defense to your argument that snipers should be able to go either prone or cloak themselves (which I hear is gonna be coming soon.) I am a sniper/ Shot gun main, and when I'm sniping I occassionally look around, I scope out the immediate area, zoom in on places other snipers are likely to be, and the places that are in my field of view, and If im not carrying nova knives (which i use to hunt other snipers) im carrying a pistol or sub machine gun, maybe they arent rifles, but they get the job done when needed (though not everyone has proto sidearms)

**** everyone is so worried about their K/D they'll stoop to anything in this game instead of getting good (not aimed at you, i was still talking about the redliners)

I did kill one guy like that cus he couldnt run away...but to the other persons defense, it doesnt take long for a heavy sniper to hide behind a hill or other structure, most smart snipers have a place nearby to hide behind, usually countered by moving around to their flank, but NOPE..that redzone. flawless

You can't kill THAT with rail tank, he will drive away in he's LLAV.

Dear snipers that like to sit in the way back in the redzone, eff all of you. it is one of the worst ill honored B I T C H move tactic I've ever come across in any FPS, especially when an entire squad decides to do it, and counter sniping you brings me a joyful but shamelful sense of satisfaction, I shouldnt stop what I'm doing in a game to go and equip me rifle and shoot snipers that think they are smart and "exploiting game mechanics" and snipers that dont know how to properly watch their own asses in the active zone and its sorta like reverse spawn camping....or a more literal meaning of it.

And ccp needs to either not give them sp for doing this (sorta like in Killzone 3 when you cant hide and get points outside the active area)....or after a certain amount of meters not allow this to happen. Snipe like a real sniper, you'll grow better that way >: D

it aint flawless. but I DO LIKE the "spawn a tank, railgun 'im". idea. I'm gonna use that from now on :)

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Okay, soo if you're not quick enough, you may not actually kill him.
But you HAVE successfully stopped him from redline sniping.
While he's running away like a pansy, he can't snipe.

I only red line snipe when i get to that point where i am forced there. other then that, i constantly try to snipe, move around, do what i can do, and if i can't, stay and snipe within my squad. i carry a pistol or nova knife with me as well, and i f i can fit it, a SMG. sniper's to me need to be able to have more stable aim when running and ADS when they skill fully into it, since they are specialized in it, but instead it's used more for when we are stationary and get a smaller sway within a few seconds (when standing) or none at all (when crouching), but when moving, no aim at all. most times i have to find unusual spots to snipe from, just because all other spots just aren't that good (by that i mean always watched and not worth it). my only complaint isn't about red line sniping though, but how to tweak the sniper rifle itself to better its limited uses

Take your scanner

jump in my LAV

lets hunt some snipers

That... was the chittiest excuse for redline sniping i've ever heard, hell even for sniping period o,0...you made it sound like becuase you're super inefficient and bad at being a sniper, you rely on **** tactics to compensate for lack of skill and therefore just proved my point entirely and better than I could have ever argued it...

...you are my hero.

Like I said before F*** you. F*** you. F*** you. Sorry I play Dust 514 not S*** head Rush I Am an Anus 514. Next time I see you thru my scope I will send you I love shooting you in the skull and there is nothing you can do mail

You obviously dunno what sniping is or should be like in terms of fairness (which is an aspect that usually either makes or not make people want to play a game) so that statement was quite invalid...just becuase something is possible to do..does not mean it should be done, but i digress...you should read a how to make a game book : D and yes a sniper in the redzone may not be able to hit on the other side of the map or opposite sides of buildings, but sometimes there may be a target area on their side, or a serious battle going on in their field of view

And yes they can be counter sniped..but thats it..thats all one can do, im fortunate enough to have spec'd into decent sniper rifles and I just happen to be ok at sniping, but for people that dont, its a real pain and not fair that redline snipers are in an area that is literally unreachable by land or air, stuff like that breaks what would otherwise be a good game.

and being a sniper isnt just about shooting ****, its also about securing and scoping out a good area, using their head, and a vantage point, though you may think hiding in the redzone is all of that, it really messes with the integrity of a game, in no situation irl (or other games) is there an area that people cant walk into where others can walk, thats just called bull.

Also...it's literally a B I T C H thing to do...usually why other games try to negate that problem

A player wanting to snipe from the redline is no more powerful than an assault gunning you in the face. The kill count and RoF is much less. Their being in a protected position supports that. If you are on the opposing side's area, esp if redlining the enemy it makes redline sniping all the more invalid.

My main is a sniper. I know about all the other jobs a sniper should be fulfilling. But I also run assault and logi support. I just have not had a problem with snipers, esp redline snipers. It is not that prevalent a problem. It has been nowhere near game breaking.

There are snipers on rooftops that are just as immune and a bigger problem.

You obviously dunno what sniping is or should be like in terms of fairness (which is an aspect that usually either makes or not make people want to play a game) so that statement was quite invalid...just becuase something is possible to do..does not mean it should be done, but i digress...you should read a how to make a game book : D and yes a sniper in the redzone may not be able to hit on the other side of the map or opposite sides of buildings, but sometimes there may be a target area on their side, or a serious battle going on in their field of view

And yes they can be counter sniped..but thats it..thats all one can do, im fortunate enough to have spec'd into decent sniper rifles and I just happen to be ok at sniping, but for people that dont, its a real pain and not fair that redline snipers are in an area that is literally unreachable by land or air, stuff like that breaks what would otherwise be a good game.

and being a sniper isnt just about shooting ****, its also about securing and scoping out a good area, using their head, and a vantage point, though you may think hiding in the redzone is all of that, it really messes with the integrity of a game, in no situation irl (or other games) is there an area that people cant walk into where others can walk, thats just called bull.

Also...it's literally a B I T C H thing to do...usually why other games try to negate that problem

Maybe to you, but to me its the opposite, buildings tend to be in the city, and though tall one can move all around it or find another building, find their flank...you cant do any of that with a red zone, which for me makes them a tad harder to down, but then again I usually tend to be in those areas anyways so its probably that my playstyle differs from yours.

And yeah its a little problem and it doesnt happen often, but when it does I find it particularly unsavory

More like F EGG ET 514...in your case >: D

And for your sake I hope we dont meet...unlike you my K/D comes from being a better player...not gimmicks, and I hope you meet the end of my bullet one day...though I dunno if i'll remember your name if I ever do it...

Okay, soo if you're not quick enough, you may not actually kill him.
But you HAVE successfully stopped him from redline sniping.
While he's running away like a pansy, he can't snipe.

Bring it on I would love to own you over and over again. Later Rush ILIKEITMYANUS LOL TOLLOLOLO

Well I guess to you its merely a means to an end, but it is what it is

Also how much ISK Do you need o,0? the game gives it away like candy.

Dear snipers that like to sit in the way back in the redzone, eff all of you. it is one of the worst ill honored B I T C H move tactic I've ever come across in any FPS, especially when an entire squad decides to do it, and counter sniping you brings me a joyful but shamelful sense of satisfaction, I shouldnt stop what I'm doing in a game to go and equip me rifle and shoot snipers that think they are smart and "exploiting game mechanics" and snipers that dont know how to properly watch their own asses in the active zone and its sorta like reverse spawn camping....or a more literal meaning of it.

And ccp needs to either not give them sp for doing this (sorta like in Killzone 3 when you cant hide and get points outside the active area)....or after a certain amount of meters not allow this to happen. Snipe like a real sniper, you'll grow better that way >: D

RUSH man I had fun sniping your team last match. To bad I could not find you to say hello. If you want to I will be more than glad to train you and show you a few things to show you I am not such a bad guy, just an evil sniper. Serious though hit me up I will try and help anyway I can.

o,0 you seriously trying to lie kid, you really that spineless and high on pcp? though I only played one game and I just scored 5/0...then logged out realizing that my sp is still maxed out...also random people on my team doesnt represent me...but i..might have shot you...were you on some beam supports earlier?

And yeh I shall look you up, could use some rivals...I only know one other person in this game u.u

Wait where you that guy on the same hill with me?!

o,0 you seriously trying to lie kid, you really that spineless and high on pcp? though I only played one game and I just scored 5/0...then logged out realizing that my sp is still maxed out...also random people on my team doesnt represent me...but i..might have shot you...were you on some beam supports earlier?

And yeh I shall look you up, could use some rivals...I only know one other person in this game u.u

Wait you logged out because your SP is maxed out, WTF. I cap by Thursday and I still play everyday so why the hell did you abandon your team like that, man that was selfish. You are a S*** player for that. Also saying they do not represent you, who the F*** are you, but a small p*** ant still living at home with mommy and daddy. Were I was is irrelevant, all that matters was I supported my team and you didn't, great job you are a class act. I have lost all respect for you, good day to you sir (Tips hat and walks off)

Noooo! don't let this depate die! let's run to the hills and fight to the bitter end! I had to choose proto DL before proto SR but I'll join the great forces of redliners!

I had fun hunting redlines yesterday :) They had thale's and as I shot them they started to run around like headless chickens :) so I was countersniping in hotzone. what a adrelanine rush! Best part was when I couldn't hit those guys, I marked them and SQL dropped OB on them :)

No i mean like what if the offender is in the action zone, but so close to the border they can just cross to the redzone if they sense or see danger (its sorta happened a couple times, i'd shoot at a guy and when i miss they scamper off way into the redzone if they manage to get out my range.

I get it... you want this to be some other game.

Stop crying about people that present something of a challenge to you. Unless there is a glitch anyone who can get a shot off at you can also be shot back.

The problem is it takes time and effort to counter them. Boo hoo.

They don't bug me that much anymore.... at least I can shoot them back now. It can take a while for me to find where they are located, but for the most part they can be found and hit. It used to be that due to various glitches one could snipe from the redline and not have counter sniping shots register.

As an occasional sniper the only thing that usually sends me deep into the redline is when **** tard proto squads need to stomp the crap out of pub matches. That's great..... I love it when a bunch of well organized squads from major corps need the added advantage of throwing proto gear on top of well-honed tactics.

I'm not gonna sit there and get stomped for their KDR, and my proto scout suit doesn't exactly even the odds, even when I'm in a squad.

So, THEN, I enjoy being in the redline and making them annoyed with me. F-them.

Dear snipers that like to sit in the way back in the redzone, eff all of you. it is one of the worst ill honored B I T C H move tactic I've ever come across in any FPS, especially when an entire squad decides to do it, and counter sniping you brings me a joyful but shamelful sense of satisfaction, I shouldnt stop what I'm doing in a game to go and equip me rifle and shoot snipers that think they are smart and "exploiting game mechanics" and snipers that dont know how to properly watch their own asses in the active zone and its sorta like reverse spawn camping....or a more literal meaning of it.

And ccp needs to either not give them sp for doing this (sorta like in Killzone 3 when you cant hide and get points outside the active area)....or after a certain amount of meters not allow this to happen. Snipe like a real sniper, you'll grow better that way >: D

OMG....thats genius...you can't get WP when your in the redzone lol XD, why have we not thought of this simple fix before

They don't bug me that much anymore.... at least I can shoot them back now. It can take a while for me to find where they are located, but for the most part they can be found and hit. It used to be that due to various glitches one could snipe from the redline and not have counter sniping shots register.

As an occasional sniper the only thing that usually sends me deep into the redline is when **** tard proto squads need to stomp the crap out of pub matches. That's great..... I love it when a bunch of well organized squads from major corps need the added advantage of throwing proto gear on top of well-honed tactics.

I'm not gonna sit there and get stomped for their KDR, and my proto scout suit doesn't exactly even the odds, even when I'm in a squad.

So, THEN, I enjoy being in the redline and making them annoyed with me. F-them.

That... was the chittiest excuse for redline sniping i've ever heard, hell even for sniping period o,0...you made it sound like becuase you're super inefficient and bad at being a sniper, you rely on **** tactics to compensate for lack of skill and therefore just proved my point entirely and better than I could have ever argued it...

...you are my hero.

Why are snipers being told off for doing their jobs?

Also...whats with everyone saying boo hoo..i said a million times i killed the *******...ugh human nature always wanting to pick at something...

QQ threads often cause nerfs... and CCP uses a hammer when it does them... and most people seem to hate snipers... so I'm going to be active on the issue.

That's problematic. For counter-sniping to be a solution to the problem, the sniper rifle I aim with the reticule red, unwavering, on a stationary target.... should have the hits actually register. Redline sniping should not be a zero-risk venture. Though I feel I'm complaining more about texture-glitch/rendering issues, which are bugs more-so than the practice of redline sniping itself. As long as things like that exist, redline sniping is a bit broken though, it's just a matter of whether or not the player knows how to exploit it.

I don't mind snipers generally, but it's aggravating if you can't shoot back.

I find if a sniper is far enough in the red line, it's impossible to attack them on foot. So, counter-snipe, right? Well, it seems like the texture/rendering glitch is still alive and well, because I've gotten a bead on redline snipers before but have found my shots unable to register (eaten by hill, or who knows what else).

That's problematic. For counter-sniping to be a solution to the problem, the sniper rifle I aim with the reticule red, unwavering, on a stationary target.... should have the hits actually register. Redline sniping should not be a zero-risk venture. Though I feel I'm complaining more about texture-glitch/rendering issues, which are bugs more-so than the practice of redline sniping itself. As long as things like that exist, redline sniping is a bit broken though, it's just a matter of whether or not the player knows how to exploit it.

16 vs 16 domi match, 6 players on one side attempting to capture the point (maybe 4 or 5) and the rest with militia sniper rifles and their starter fits sitting at the ground spawn shooting into the active zone for an entire match. The other side using no snipers and capturing the point. Their whole team was on point and unable to be seen from ground spawn on the north side of manus peak. Also not able to be seen from the ground spawn on the south side of manus peak.

I don't mind snipers generally, but it's aggravating if you can't shoot back.

I find if a sniper is far enough in the red line, it's impossible to attack them on foot. So, counter-snipe, right? Well, it seems like the texture/rendering glitch is still alive and well, because I've gotten a bead on redline snipers before but have found my shots unable to register (eaten by hill, or who knows what else).

That's problematic. For counter-sniping to be a solution to the problem, the sniper rifle I aim with the reticule red, unwavering, on a stationary target.... should have the hits actually register. Redline sniping should not be a zero-risk venture. Though I feel I'm complaining more about texture-glitch/rendering issues, which are bugs more-so than the practice of redline sniping itself. As long as things like that exist, redline sniping is a bit broken though, it's just a matter of whether or not the player knows how to exploit it.

I am somewhat partial to limiting WP gain in the redzone, but not because of snipers. It is strictly because of militia snipers that use their entire team in the red zone to shoot into the green zone. There are a lot of people doing it, it annoys me quite a lot and I think it is counter to current "burnzone" policies. You get kicked from battle if you aren't doing anything and although I support a sniper's right to camp, being in the redline means you are unable to take points or see the majority of any map to be effective as a sniper. Get a life and HTFO. Camp a spawn point, camp an objective, camp a high traffic area and actually make a difference in a match rather than relying on the one squad left to do everything. Removing the WP/SP gain from the redzone may actually solve this, although I do feel certain types of WP/SP gain may actually be helpful. Logistic WP for example so team mates can make it out of the redzone such as drop uplinks, which function and deliver WP to the logi no matter where they are. Triage WP which could mean the difference in getting the group out of the redzone in the first place while they are under fire.
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Better yet, redistribute wp/sp earnings from redline areas to those in the area of the map that is fully accessible. I would't turn down an extra 1450 wp from a 29/0 redline sniper being redistributed between the other members of the team not in the redzone.

Use the map feedback section and direct devs to the appropriate quadrant of the map. They can't fix things they don't know about. Explain the issue you have with the appropriate quadrant.

That doesn't mean that snipers as a whole should suffer though :/. There's a reason snipers stay far back for. It keeps their K/D high which in turn means they can even afford their PRO gear and fits. A sniper who dies more then once wearing ADV , say twice, may lose profit or break even. At worst their losing money every game.

By the way isn't it sort of you teams fault as well for not having any counter snipers? There are ways to snipe even the best of them (top of the MCC) if they don't catch onto you you've basically got the whole BF under your thumb. But i'll say it again don't use MLT gear as the basis for all snipers since at higher levels a dead sniper loses money and it's hard enough as it is. If anything they could add sort of a recon sniper which get's an increase to scanning range for all scanning devices and an increase in precision. It'd sort of the opposite of the gallente sniper suit.

Even if I didn't receive WPs, I would still snipe from the redline.
Redline sniper solidarity.

QQ threads often cause nerfs... and CCP uses a hammer when it does them... and most people seem to hate snipers... so I'm going to be active on the issue.

That doesn't mean that snipers as a whole should suffer though :/. There's a reason snipers stay far back for. It keeps their K/D high which in turn means they can even afford their PRO gear and fits. A sniper who dies more then once wearing ADV , say twice, may lose profit or break even. At worst their losing money every game.

By the way isn't it sort of you teams fault as well for not having any counter snipers? There are ways to snipe even the best of them (top of the MCC) if they don't catch onto you you've basically got the whole BF under your thumb. But i'll say it again don't use MLT gear as the basis for all snipers since at higher levels a dead sniper loses money and it's hard enough as it is. If anything they could add sort of a recon sniper which get's an increase to scanning range for all scanning devices and an increase in precision. It'd sort of the opposite of the gallente sniper suit.

Must admit I fecking hate proto wearing, charge sniper, try hard keyboard and mouse warriors who red line picking off vulnerable militia wearing mercs, I just sent hate mail to one the brave souls, couldn't help myself.

I had fun hunting redlines yesterday :) They had thale's and as I shot them they started to run around like headless chickens :) so I was countersniping in hotzone. what a adrelanine rush! Best part was when I couldn't hit those guys, I marked them and SQL dropped OB on them :)

Blame the game for allowing it, not the players.

So in other words... Your just aggravated because you want everyone to be in range of your Assault Rifle? Or are you just incredibly lazy?

If you actually had a sniper rifle to switch to this wouldn't bother you at all. Snipers call the redline the "free kill zone" because we shoot INTO it if we want a few more WP.

head glitching could be solved by lowering the zoom area of the scopes, if you fired from a lower area snipers would need to reveal more of their head, and we wouldn't be shooting hill as much while counter sniping.

I can respect that, though I dunno how they would even nerf a sniper...ironically statwise and aim-wise I believe its the most fair skilled weapon in the game and most of my posts are actually about buffing some of the hammered weapons at least halfway back to their former glory! RIP my poor flaylock and Glu 5 Tact....

If you snipe in a scout suit you'll be feeling the nerf hammer already. If not, the rifle itself seems to work alright these days since enemies are showing up reasonably... though I still think the sway could have been implemented as dispersion to avoid having to fight the control all the time. Have to admit sway adjustment is pretty much second nature now.