The 1600+ HP sniper I think was a hyperthetical creation, also, you can always be countered ALWAYS. 1600+ HP sniper would only have the bullets he spawned with also. bigger target, slower target.

I played a match last night that I happened to start as AV. I saw a dropship leave somone on a high center tower but couldn't get a lock from where I was on it. Switched to sniper and saw the guy up there but out of range for the lowly rifle I use. Long story short, he killed me 4 times before I could even get a bead on him.

Pissed, no, he was doing a great job for his team. He could have been taken out with a coordinated effort, or if I had a better rifle, plasma cannon, or if I had just gotten him earlier in his dropship. He was obviously effective against stationary players but I did a fair amount of running around with no problem.

He was much more inaccessible on the tower and in a much better position than he would have been in the red zone.

I don't call it redline sniping when I do it.

I call it ISK farming.

(Buying 1,000 HMGs at a time gets expensive.)

Complain all you want about redline sniping, but it works. I went 29-0 the other day from the redline. What did this accomplish, one the enemy was unable to organize itself on one side of the board and two I prevented them from taking or holding the objective. I redline snipe due to lack of good sniper positions and the fact how easy it is to kill us. Thanks to our radar no longer working, we cannot see anyone approaching from the rear. So you expect me to shoot, stop, scan, and reset my position just to please you, well F*** you. Bong, did you hear that, of course not because you are now dead.

OMG....thats genius...you can't get WP when your in the redzone lol XD, why have we not thought of this simple fix before

Yes the point of a sniper is to be unseen and unreachable, and yeah a sniper is doing their job...but at the same time thats like saying spawn camping is the best thing to do cus the game is about killing the other players...its unfair and breaks the balance, those aspects tend to lead to making games unplayable.

And I said snipers that sit way in the back of the redzone, meaning that you wont be able to touch them within the time limit given, or if there is a bunch of them in the redzone an you cannot possibly get to even one of them since you're forced to take snipers on head on instead of trying to get around them. Your OP AR will be about as good as a rock.

And like i said it breaks the integrity and immersion of a game of "war" when there is a place that the other team cannot walk on without exploding, that never happens in any war, videogame or real...so I still think it is a really bad mechanic to exploit, and i dont feel demoralized about getting killed by that kind of sniper, I just feel cheated and annoyed, which should never happen in any game. I feel like that if the sniper is in the play zone and has legitimately outsmarted me. not by taking the cheapest of all shots.

ok so you are arguing about red line snipers being bad, cheap and a poor sport of a player when they just sit there and snipe people. but to me, sniping out in the active areas isn't fair for snipers when most or all of their spots are rendered useless or in the range of AR player. I don't red line snipe, but trying to find a spot out in the active area is very hard to do, and most times not worth it when the battle isn't happening around there. active snipers have to actually walk around and look for the battle that may not be there when they arrive to help out, only to be in the range of the AR or laser user, and not being about to do anything with whatever sidearm they have in time to fight back. want to talk about fairness? make it fair for snipers somehow to use their sniper rifles better by opening more map spots, or tweaking the rifle itself. snipers can't do much of anything within the range of AR, ScM and lasers.

Change your fit Skippy. Either that or cry me a river.

...I am a sniper/ Shot gun main, and when I'm sniping...

btw it's worth mentioning this is only an issue on old maps, the new maps tend to have their red lines pushed so far back red line snipers can't hide in them, they'd simply never see a target.

even at that I still see teams pushed into them, in one instance we had them pushed so far back we would need to move inside of their red line just to snipe them. good times heh....

The first half of your argument is almost like saying OMG im a shotgunner..its unfair that I dont have range! you pick a class not just for its perks, but to also accept the consequences of picking the class and taking to those risks...also there are plenty PLENTY of places on the active map that are well hidden and hard to get to also a good sniper knows that after several shots or if their position is compromised MOVE to a different spot its call strategy and watching your butt, like the nasa rocket ship looking- building or the phallic-shaped sky scrapers, even big arse heavies can snipe with forge guns successfully if they're good enough...I'd hate to see how redline snipers fair at sniping in any other shooter that has no redline...and for the record i didnt say they were bad till someone just pointed it out...and it isnt fair that a person can sit on a mass of land with breathable air and atmosphere and for some odd reason other people can't walk around in it without dropping dead all of a sudden, shot gunners dont get that if someone is outside their firing range.

Though I will say, in defense to your argument that snipers should be able to go either prone or cloak themselves (which I hear is gonna be coming soon.) I am a sniper/ Shot gun main, and when I'm sniping I occassionally look around, I scope out the immediate area, zoom in on places other snipers are likely to be, and the places that are in my field of view, and If im not carrying nova knives (which i use to hunt other snipers) im carrying a pistol or sub machine gun, maybe they arent rifles, but they get the job done when needed (though not everyone has proto sidearms)

**** everyone is so worried about their K/D they'll stoop to anything in this game instead of getting good (not aimed at you, i was still talking about the redliners)

I did kill one guy like that cus he couldnt run away...but to the other persons defense, it doesnt take long for a heavy sniper to hide behind a hill or other structure, most smart snipers have a place nearby to hide behind, usually countered by moving around to their flank, but NOPE..that redzone. flawless

You can't kill THAT with rail tank, he will drive away in he's LLAV.

Dear snipers that like to sit in the way back in the redzone, eff all of you. it is one of the worst ill honored B I T C H move tactic I've ever come across in any FPS, especially when an entire squad decides to do it, and counter sniping you brings me a joyful but shamelful sense of satisfaction, I shouldnt stop what I'm doing in a game to go and equip me rifle and shoot snipers that think they are smart and "exploiting game mechanics" and snipers that dont know how to properly watch their own asses in the active zone and its sorta like reverse spawn camping....or a more literal meaning of it.

And ccp needs to either not give them sp for doing this (sorta like in Killzone 3 when you cant hide and get points outside the active area)....or after a certain amount of meters not allow this to happen. Snipe like a real sniper, you'll grow better that way >: D

it aint flawless. but I DO LIKE the "spawn a tank, railgun 'im". idea. I'm gonna use that from now on :)

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Okay, soo if you're not quick enough, you may not actually kill him.
But you HAVE successfully stopped him from redline sniping.
While he's running away like a pansy, he can't snipe.

I only red line snipe when i get to that point where i am forced there. other then that, i constantly try to snipe, move around, do what i can do, and if i can't, stay and snipe within my squad. i carry a pistol or nova knife with me as well, and i f i can fit it, a SMG. sniper's to me need to be able to have more stable aim when running and ADS when they skill fully into it, since they are specialized in it, but instead it's used more for when we are stationary and get a smaller sway within a few seconds (when standing) or none at all (when crouching), but when moving, no aim at all. most times i have to find unusual spots to snipe from, just because all other spots just aren't that good (by that i mean always watched and not worth it). my only complaint isn't about red line sniping though, but how to tweak the sniper rifle itself to better its limited uses

Take your scanner

jump in my LAV

lets hunt some snipers

That... was the chittiest excuse for redline sniping i've ever heard, hell even for sniping period o,0...you made it sound like becuase you're super inefficient and bad at being a sniper, you rely on **** tactics to compensate for lack of skill and therefore just proved my point entirely and better than I could have ever argued it...

...you are my hero.

Like I said before F*** you. F*** you. F*** you. Sorry I play Dust 514 not S*** head Rush I Am an Anus 514. Next time I see you thru my scope I will send you I love shooting you in the skull and there is nothing you can do mail

You obviously dunno what sniping is or should be like in terms of fairness (which is an aspect that usually either makes or not make people want to play a game) so that statement was quite invalid...just becuase something is possible to do..does not mean it should be done, but i digress...you should read a how to make a game book : D and yes a sniper in the redzone may not be able to hit on the other side of the map or opposite sides of buildings, but sometimes there may be a target area on their side, or a serious battle going on in their field of view

And yes they can be counter sniped..but thats it..thats all one can do, im fortunate enough to have spec'd into decent sniper rifles and I just happen to be ok at sniping, but for people that dont, its a real pain and not fair that redline snipers are in an area that is literally unreachable by land or air, stuff like that breaks what would otherwise be a good game.

and being a sniper isnt just about shooting ****, its also about securing and scoping out a good area, using their head, and a vantage point, though you may think hiding in the redzone is all of that, it really messes with the integrity of a game, in no situation irl (or other games) is there an area that people cant walk into where others can walk, thats just called bull.

Also...it's literally a B I T C H thing to do...usually why other games try to negate that problem

A player wanting to snipe from the redline is no more powerful than an assault gunning you in the face. The kill count and RoF is much less. Their being in a protected position supports that. If you are on the opposing side's area, esp if redlining the enemy it makes redline sniping all the more invalid.

My main is a sniper. I know about all the other jobs a sniper should be fulfilling. But I also run assault and logi support. I just have not had a problem with snipers, esp redline snipers. It is not that prevalent a problem. It has been nowhere near game breaking.

There are snipers on rooftops that are just as immune and a bigger problem.

You obviously dunno what sniping is or should be like in terms of fairness (which is an aspect that usually either makes or not make people want to play a game) so that statement was quite invalid...just becuase something is possible to do..does not mean it should be done, but i digress...you should read a how to make a game book : D and yes a sniper in the redzone may not be able to hit on the other side of the map or opposite sides of buildings, but sometimes there may be a target area on their side, or a serious battle going on in their field of view

And yes they can be counter sniped..but thats it..thats all one can do, im fortunate enough to have spec'd into decent sniper rifles and I just happen to be ok at sniping, but for people that dont, its a real pain and not fair that redline snipers are in an area that is literally unreachable by land or air, stuff like that breaks what would otherwise be a good game.

and being a sniper isnt just about shooting ****, its also about securing and scoping out a good area, using their head, and a vantage point, though you may think hiding in the redzone is all of that, it really messes with the integrity of a game, in no situation irl (or other games) is there an area that people cant walk into where others can walk, thats just called bull.

Also...it's literally a B I T C H thing to do...usually why other games try to negate that problem

Maybe to you, but to me its the opposite, buildings tend to be in the city, and though tall one can move all around it or find another building, find their flank...you cant do any of that with a red zone, which for me makes them a tad harder to down, but then again I usually tend to be in those areas anyways so its probably that my playstyle differs from yours.

And yeah its a little problem and it doesnt happen often, but when it does I find it particularly unsavory

More like F EGG ET 514...in your case >: D

And for your sake I hope we dont meet...unlike you my K/D comes from being a better player...not gimmicks, and I hope you meet the end of my bullet one day...though I dunno if i'll remember your name if I ever do it...

Okay, soo if you're not quick enough, you may not actually kill him.
But you HAVE successfully stopped him from redline sniping.
While he's running away like a pansy, he can't snipe.

Bring it on I would love to own you over and over again. Later Rush ILIKEITMYANUS LOL TOLLOLOLO