excelently written

Only the data is false. There s no way th assault suits have room for weapons/ nades after that kind of fitting.

Then the fitting tool is broken. Keep in mind that every skill available in game for these examples is maxed and ensure maximum efficany to each dropsuit and module.

hes actually collected data.


if youw ant to prove it false you have to actually provide evidence rather then just exclaiming its wrong without actually doing any research on it.

have some respoect for the amount of work put into this is combat it with numbers rather then conjecture.

honestly this is poorly put together. and i'm a huge cal logi guy - using 3x shield ext 3x complex plates with an empty high on an assault ck.0 as the basis for any sort of argument, hypothetical, rhetorical, or explanatory is ******* **** poor dude. on the other hand... my 1100hp cal logi is QUITE viable, if not the fit I actually use.

Only the data is false. There s no way th assault suits have room for weapons/ nades after that kind of fitting.

Are you serious? I read the whole thing. He goes on to demonstrate that gimp-fitted assault suits can have similar HP as viable logi suits and draws some sort of meaningful conclusion from that? It's utter bullshit. I can't believe I'm having this conversation - I don't disagree with the conclusion... but I'm not going to agree with a guy who says the sky is blue because fairies painted it with a giant skittle paintbrush even if he is correct in saying the sky is blue.

"While the average Logistics dropsuit could squeeze out a slight advantage in HP, it is barely a level that could be defined as over powered in such a comparison. We are only talking about a couple of well placed AR rounds. The Assault suits are positioned to be just as effective in a 'slayer' role and should stand toe to toe without issue. In fact, most would probably value the slight advantage in speed over a few dozen hit points. Properly fitted Assault suits can also take better advantage of their racial bonuses in an offensive role."

... these conclusions are just... wrong. Logis have 5hp/s base rep which assaults have to compensate for to start with which makes buffer logi fits viable whereas full buffer assault fits are not unless you're standing on hives that a logi dropped or being repped by a logi.

The assault is more effective in a slayer role due to faster shield recharge (ck.0) and dps output (sidearm; ak.0 bonus). Not because they can stack armor plates. It's misleading and discredits the argument.

[Edit: But +1 for non-trolly legitimate well-intentioned effort. Sorry for being a ****, but ... yeah, I disagree with the post.]

lol you are correct. I'm not refuting the numbers that he ran; but I am saying they are meaningless.

"TL;DR - The claim of 'Assault Logi' being OP is a load of crap." <---- was the point of his post. MY point is that his HP experiment in the following post does nothing to support that argument.

i like your arguement, and now that youve presented it i have to agree.

while the builts presented on the HP front prove the overall HP capabilitys they arnt viable as actual builds.

and when push comes to shove that 5+ rep is what makes the brick tank viable, assaults cant achieve the same results in the brick tank department without it, and while they will have their shields back faster their over time their armor will be the death of them.

in addition to that the logi can gimp its HP to equip the rep hive, something the assault suit just cant do if it wants a reasonable buffer do to CPU and PG restrictions.

All you've done here is show that logis can be exactly the same as assaults. Actually a little better! The reason this is bad is that there really is no point in ever playing assault instead of assault logi.

This is now one of the biggest complaints against logis - due to the high cpu and pg as well as loads of slots, they can outperform other suits in their roles. A min logi can be faster than a scout. Most of these out tank a viable heavy and still have better speed! And as you have already proven, they even slightly beat assaults at slaying. When you can have all this from just one class, what's the point in having any others?

And I disagree with the contention that all "logis are OP" arguments are based on EHP disparities. They are based on the perception that logis win 1v1s against assaults. This involves several factors including not only EHP but resilience (built in reps, similar shield recharge to non-ck.0 assaults), equipment availability (scanners, compact hives to emergency triage, along with REs for example). Currently arguments are also skewing toward the fact that speed tanking was nerfed (strafe speed, aim assist) reducing the assault's net advantage from greater speed.

If you want to refute the "Assault Logi > All" myth as a non-dropsuit issue, you should say things like "Logically, a sidearm provides more damage options across different range spectrums and in prolonged combat" and "this is due to the net SP and game experience disparity between residual high-SP Cal Logi suits - since that is what a lot of experienced players specced into post-respec - and assault users who may be newer players."

have some respoect for the amount of work put into this is combat it with numbers rather then conjecture.

complete lack of armor reps is not 'durability' bro.

complete lack of armor reps is not 'durability' bro.

we all know Amarr proto logi is arguably the best suit in the game beside the mini proto logi