One of the stipulations I set was not letting the speed drop below a certain level. Sure you could tank yourself to a crawl be that isn't very realistic.

@ RydogV:

Your post has exellent points.


HOWEVER you are forgetting 1 little detail.




LOGISTICS ARMOR REPAIR BONUS.
The main reason Logis can HP tank as they can is they really DONT need to equip an armor repairer, unlike the ASsaults.

Sure a gallante Assault COULD come CLOSE the the Caldari Logi in HP, but that will never happen,because the Gallante Assault WILL SACRIFICE one of his complex plates,for a COmplex armor repairer...
How much does that add to? that would be if im not mistaken, OVER 210 Armor HP and still better shield recharge delay AND more equipments in trade of what? a sidearm? a little more stamina?

So, in order to do this REALISTIC, you need to fit in a Cx Armor repairer, to ALL the assaults.

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2nd: All Logi Bonuses are better than their Assault counterparts,except for the AMARR one, and slightly the caldari one....









Good going, but Logis are still better.

Whispers*Checkmate, complex plates only have 150 something armor.

Otherwise, good point. No sane player would walk around with no armor rep.

So, in a practical brick tank scenario, logis have at least a 200 HP lead, being marginally slower, with no sidearm

But, with 3/4 equipment slots, and higher CPU and PG for fitting complex mods.

Speed is a big freaking deal, something that you'd know if you actually tried playing logi and compared it to other suits. The most important bit isn't the raw speed number, but the stamina. When a smart player sees himself about to get flanked he turns and sprints into a new fighting position. You can't do that if you're out of stamina, which logis often are because everyone moving faster than us means we need to sprint constantly to keep up with everyone else. This isn't about winning a marathon, it's about being able to react to the battlefield. A LAV doesn't help you on the second floor of a building.

Scout speed wasn't nerfed because of logis, it was nerfed because this game can't run at 60FPS and AR nerds can't aim for **** when it comes to moving targets- remember all the butthurt when the strafing cap was removed in 1.2? Stop blaming everything on logistics.

Lol, the telerporting scouts you had to aim about 2 metres ahead to hit lol

Scout speed wasn't nerfed because of logis, it was nerfed because this game can't run at 60FPS and AR nerds can't aim for **** when it comes to moving targets- remember all the butthurt when the strafing cap was removed in 1.2? Stop blaming everything on logistics.

My only full tanked logi fitting is my heavy hugger but I only break that out when I'm with a decent heavy, 801 armour, 217 shield ridiculously sloooooow, 3.96 movement and 5.65 sprint.

I think Mike Shanahan is the devil, but I'm not going to go around spouting it without citing evidence.

They're all still using Caldari logistics or Caldari assaul- OMG... NERF CALDARI!!!

And what weapon do you see them using? Let's call a spade a spade here because you know what I'm talking about. The damn thing is so powerful that you don't even need to use a sidearm since it's an instant "I win button." It's not the suit, but the weapon.

1000+ ehp means nothing if you cant make it around that corner just sayin.

LOGISTICS ARMOR REPAIR BONUS.
The main reason Logis can HP tank as they can is they really DONT need to equip an armor repairer, unlike the ASsaults.

Sure a gallante Assault COULD come CLOSE the the Caldari Logi in HP, but that will never happen,because the Gallante Assault WILL SACRIFICE one of his complex plates,for a COmplex armor repairer...
How much does that add to? that would be if im not mistaken, OVER 210 Armor HP and still better shield recharge delay AND more equipments in trade of what? a sidearm? a little more stamina?

So, in order to do this REALISTIC, you need to fit in a Cx Armor repairer, to ALL the assaults.

Well I believe originally I was responding to all the widespread allegations regarding straight up head to head encounters people were saying that they were having with Logis. The type of firefights where Shield and Armor regeneration are not going to really come into play because one of the party is going to be dead in a couple seconds.

For prolonged engagements when players are ducking in and out of cover, flanking, tossing grenades and such then things change drastically. I mean in such cases you have to start factoring in the Assaults ability to switch to a sidearm versus the Logistics player having to reload. Then that second weapons slot becomes VERY important.

Bottom line, the more variables that you factor into the gunfight, the less anyone is able to point to one particular aspect of a dropsuit and say "that makes it OP and one-sided" the whole argument becomes moot. As it is the argument is pretty circular and pointless in my opinion.

People want to blame the suit but it is really all about the player in it. There is always going to be someone on the battlefield more skilled or better fitted. Chances are you got beat because they are either better or they got the drop on you.

Bingo! Wait until 1.4 and see how all powerful these "evil logis" are when their god gun finally gets nerfed. Calling it now.

ok.
Chances.

What are the odds of finding an 1200 Cal Logi and what are the chances of finding a 1150 Gal assault in a game?
Cal Logi have pretty good odds dont you think?

This is because Cal Logi 1200EHP is a REALISTIC fitting. Your Gal Assault ISNT.
There by is NOT a context but a mere form of reality.

1200 EHP Cal Logi, is usable and viable.
1150 GAL is not.

Best you'll get is 950ish Gal assault and in a 1 v 1 fight with both equal skill,equal proficiency , guess who will win, 100% of the time?

EXACTLY. :3

(sorry im not intending to sound rude here.)

Since 1.4, which I refer to as the CoD patch, TTK is so ridiculously low that that extra EHP only amounts an extra 0.5 seconds.

ok.
Chances.

What are the odds of finding an 1200 Cal Logi and what are the chances of finding a 1150 Gal assault in a game?
Cal Logi have pretty good odds dont you think?

This is because Cal Logi 1200EHP is a REALISTIC fitting. Your Gal Assault ISNT.
There by is NOT a context but a mere form of reality.

1200 EHP Cal Logi, is usable and viable.
1150 GAL is not.

Best you'll get is 950ish Gal assault and in a 1 v 1 fight with both equal skill,equal proficiency , guess who will win, 100% of the time?

EXACTLY. :3

(sorry im not intending to sound rude here.)

Well I do not really see your point here. Both fittings are equally viable. What makes one more likely than the other? The SP needed for both would be the same. If the opportunity to fit a tanked Assault is there and people choose not to use it then why is that the 'fault' of Logistics?

Well I do not really see your point here. Both fittings are equally viable. What makes one more likely than the other? The SP needed for both would be the same. If the opportunity to fit a tanked Assault is there and people choose not to use it then why is that the 'fault' of Logistics?