what has changed hands

how much impact did I?! have

how did this help EvE

where is most the fighting taking place

and lastly current state of my empire

Hey guys,

I am back from vacation today and diving right into getting some work done. I wanted to create this thread before vacation but there wasn't time and I wanted to be involved in the discussion so waited until now.

So, hypothetically speaking, say we had a screen for Factional Warfare that was showing how a specific battle effected the EVE universe. What kinds of things would you maybe possibly like to see on it?

For example:

• Districts owned by the faction out of all possible districts they could own
• How much time this battle has saved your faction for the solar system it's attacking
• How many EVE players this affects (EVE players that have received LP in the system in the last 24 hours)
• Did this battle make the system vulnerable in EVE

That is just a small list to give you an idea. I figured you guys might be interested in being part of this random discussion. :)

Getting a bit ahead of yourselves aren't you? How about instead of adding more stats after a match, you actually spend some time changing things so people trying to decide between the different modes (instant battle, faction warfare, etc) can see what it is they will be effecting before they choose.

I swear you guys intentionally make this **** as obtuse and unfriendly for new players as possible.

Why doesn't highlighting "factional warfare" on the selection screen explain in detail what the mode is about, exactly what sort of bonuses winning or losing a match creates, and some basic guidelines on who should be thinking about queueing up (IE: people in squads looking to support a specific faction)?

...FoxFour, there is a big problem here with FW now compared to before. While it is nice how easy it is to get into FW now, it has created an unintentional side effect...

KInda confused about what that list means. Need some explanation.

I think FW will be funner if there is a more distinct reason to fight for a certain faction. Whether it be by a specific types of awards (race related) or it be by some factions paying more while others give out more goodies. These rewards will have to be loyalty based though. So someone that has been fighting for Gallente for a while and comes over to Caldari for one battle, because they heard they pay more, won't be able to make the maximum contract. Basically the longer one fights for a faction, the more ISK and/or goodies he would get.

Before we get started with ideas to further show the impact that FW has, how about we look at other FW stats? Look at how lopsided most of these battles are. Look at how little experience many of the players who join FW have. Look at how many squads actually get formed in FW. Look at how many people have left all four boxes checked for their FW preferences.

FoxFour, there is a big problem here with FW now compared to before. While it is nice how easy it is to get into FW now, it has created an unintentional side effect. You have many, many new and unexperienced players or players without a squad searching for FW battles now because it is just as easy to get into as Public Contracts, but Factional Contracts sounds cooler. The negative side effect here is that in FW you also have a ton of experienced players in squads playing, meaning the battles can get extremely lopsided.

Look, I'm not saying these new guys should not be able to play FW, but honestly when they have so little skill invested into anything they aren't doing anything but hurting the team and FW itself doesn't offer them any more than they could get out of Public Contracts. Also it doesn't make sense that the 24th Imperial Crusade or Tribal Liberation Force would hire all these rookies. Sure it's fine in EVE, but EVE doesn't have a player cap like Dust does. When only 16 people are allowed per team, it creates some big problems.

So here's what I personally want to see done:

1. Add requirements to FW. Say each player must meet a time since creation requirement, a warpoint requirement, and a skill point requirement. It doesn't have to be ridiculously large, just say something that says, "At least they played for a week or two and should know what's going on."

2. Put everyone into a squad automatically. If you queue up with a squad then everything happens as normal. If you don't queue up for a squad, then it will autogroup you into squads. Also add an option for players without a squad to apply for squad leader, working sort of like MAG (I know, I know) in that sense.

3. Add standings as soon as possible so we can get out of this flip-flopping business. I noticed at first Amarr would win a ton a matches, but now it seems like all the blueberries getting creamed by Amarr wised up and switched sides so they too could win, but all it did was flip flop the lopsided-ness.

I proto stomp in FW and I urge my corporation to do so as well.

FW should be dangerous. It should be TEAM DEPLOY ONLY in proto gear and the rewards should justify this.

If FW is done right there wouldn't be a need for matchmaking in pub matches. Because more experienced players would be elsewhere for the bigger payouts.

Before we get started with ideas to further show the impact that FW has, how about we look at other FW stats? Look at how lopsided most of these battles are. Look at how little experience many of the players who join FW have. Look at how many squads actually get formed in FW. Look at how many people have left all four boxes checked for their FW preferences.

FoxFour, there is a big problem here with FW now compared to before. While it is nice how easy it is to get into FW now, it has created an unintentional side effect. You have many, many new and unexperienced players or players without a squad searching for FW battles now because it is just as easy to get into as Public Contracts, but Factional Contracts sounds cooler. The negative side effect here is that in FW you also have a ton of experienced players in squads playing, meaning the battles can get extremely lopsided.

Look, I'm not saying these new guys should not be able to play FW, but honestly when they have so little skill invested into anything they aren't doing anything but hurting the team and FW itself doesn't offer them any more than they could get out of Public Contracts. Also it doesn't make sense that the 24th Imperial Crusade or Tribal Liberation Force would hire all these rookies. Sure it's fine in EVE, but EVE doesn't have a player cap like Dust does. When only 16 people are allowed per team, it creates some big problems.

So here's what I personally want to see done:

1. Add requirements to FW. Say each player must meet a time since creation requirement, a warpoint requirement, and a skill point requirement. It doesn't have to be ridiculously large, just say something that says, "At least they played for a week or two and should know what's going on."

2. Put everyone into a squad automatically. If you queue up with a squad then everything happens as normal. If you don't queue up for a squad, then it will autogroup you into squads. Also add an option for players without a squad to apply for squad leader, working sort of like MAG (I know, I know) in that sense.

3. Add standings as soon as possible so we can get out of this flip-flopping business. I noticed at first Amarr would win a ton a matches, but now it seems like all the blueberries getting creamed by Amarr wised up and switched sides so they too could win, but all it did was flip flop the lopsided-ness.

Ranks would help so when I spam squad invites people know I'm not just some blue dot

I'd rather have you guys working on some reason to play FW other than lore.

There's lots of good stuff in this thread about a list.

But FIRST to get the thing rolling I think something like Skipper is talking about is key.

I think you'll find that a vast majority of Dust players could care less what happens in Eve and vice versa. However if you make FW worthwhile in Dust it could change that.

Not to mention it would be so much fun that you could take PC down and rethink it altogether. This would be preferable to a small portion of the community raking in BILLIONS of ISK while 90% of the community could care less and/or is intimidated by it.

FW is what you guys should be focusing on. In the short term I think it could really, really provide a boost to this community.

No. It shouldn't be team deploy only. Actually this is the last thing it should be. FW should introduce blueberries to a little more serious PvP. Like meeting Corp squads more often than in public matches. But it should be open for everyone. This isn't PC. If you start with a FW Teamdeploy only, then FW isn't like a Pub skirmish anymore, it will become exactly like PC. Like in Eve, everybody should be able to participate in FW and get the benefits. The problem is that, at the moment, there aren't any benefits in FW.