what has changed hands

how much impact did I?! have

how did this help EvE

where is most the fighting taking place

and lastly current state of my empire

Hey guys,

I am back from vacation today and diving right into getting some work done. I wanted to create this thread before vacation but there wasn't time and I wanted to be involved in the discussion so waited until now.

So, hypothetically speaking, say we had a screen for Factional Warfare that was showing how a specific battle effected the EVE universe. What kinds of things would you maybe possibly like to see on it?

For example:

• Districts owned by the faction out of all possible districts they could own
• How much time this battle has saved your faction for the solar system it's attacking
• How many EVE players this affects (EVE players that have received LP in the system in the last 24 hours)
• Did this battle make the system vulnerable in EVE

That is just a small list to give you an idea. I figured you guys might be interested in being part of this random discussion. :)

Getting a bit ahead of yourselves aren't you? How about instead of adding more stats after a match, you actually spend some time changing things so people trying to decide between the different modes (instant battle, faction warfare, etc) can see what it is they will be effecting before they choose.

I swear you guys intentionally make this **** as obtuse and unfriendly for new players as possible.

Why doesn't highlighting "factional warfare" on the selection screen explain in detail what the mode is about, exactly what sort of bonuses winning or losing a match creates, and some basic guidelines on who should be thinking about queueing up (IE: people in squads looking to support a specific faction)?

...FoxFour, there is a big problem here with FW now compared to before. While it is nice how easy it is to get into FW now, it has created an unintentional side effect...

KInda confused about what that list means. Need some explanation.

I think FW will be funner if there is a more distinct reason to fight for a certain faction. Whether it be by a specific types of awards (race related) or it be by some factions paying more while others give out more goodies. These rewards will have to be loyalty based though. So someone that has been fighting for Gallente for a while and comes over to Caldari for one battle, because they heard they pay more, won't be able to make the maximum contract. Basically the longer one fights for a faction, the more ISK and/or goodies he would get.

Before we get started with ideas to further show the impact that FW has, how about we look at other FW stats? Look at how lopsided most of these battles are. Look at how little experience many of the players who join FW have. Look at how many squads actually get formed in FW. Look at how many people have left all four boxes checked for their FW preferences.

FoxFour, there is a big problem here with FW now compared to before. While it is nice how easy it is to get into FW now, it has created an unintentional side effect. You have many, many new and unexperienced players or players without a squad searching for FW battles now because it is just as easy to get into as Public Contracts, but Factional Contracts sounds cooler. The negative side effect here is that in FW you also have a ton of experienced players in squads playing, meaning the battles can get extremely lopsided.

Look, I'm not saying these new guys should not be able to play FW, but honestly when they have so little skill invested into anything they aren't doing anything but hurting the team and FW itself doesn't offer them any more than they could get out of Public Contracts. Also it doesn't make sense that the 24th Imperial Crusade or Tribal Liberation Force would hire all these rookies. Sure it's fine in EVE, but EVE doesn't have a player cap like Dust does. When only 16 people are allowed per team, it creates some big problems.

So here's what I personally want to see done:

1. Add requirements to FW. Say each player must meet a time since creation requirement, a warpoint requirement, and a skill point requirement. It doesn't have to be ridiculously large, just say something that says, "At least they played for a week or two and should know what's going on."

2. Put everyone into a squad automatically. If you queue up with a squad then everything happens as normal. If you don't queue up for a squad, then it will autogroup you into squads. Also add an option for players without a squad to apply for squad leader, working sort of like MAG (I know, I know) in that sense.

3. Add standings as soon as possible so we can get out of this flip-flopping business. I noticed at first Amarr would win a ton a matches, but now it seems like all the blueberries getting creamed by Amarr wised up and switched sides so they too could win, but all it did was flip flop the lopsided-ness.

I proto stomp in FW and I urge my corporation to do so as well.

FW should be dangerous. It should be TEAM DEPLOY ONLY in proto gear and the rewards should justify this.

If FW is done right there wouldn't be a need for matchmaking in pub matches. Because more experienced players would be elsewhere for the bigger payouts.

Before we get started with ideas to further show the impact that FW has, how about we look at other FW stats? Look at how lopsided most of these battles are. Look at how little experience many of the players who join FW have. Look at how many squads actually get formed in FW. Look at how many people have left all four boxes checked for their FW preferences.

FoxFour, there is a big problem here with FW now compared to before. While it is nice how easy it is to get into FW now, it has created an unintentional side effect. You have many, many new and unexperienced players or players without a squad searching for FW battles now because it is just as easy to get into as Public Contracts, but Factional Contracts sounds cooler. The negative side effect here is that in FW you also have a ton of experienced players in squads playing, meaning the battles can get extremely lopsided.

Look, I'm not saying these new guys should not be able to play FW, but honestly when they have so little skill invested into anything they aren't doing anything but hurting the team and FW itself doesn't offer them any more than they could get out of Public Contracts. Also it doesn't make sense that the 24th Imperial Crusade or Tribal Liberation Force would hire all these rookies. Sure it's fine in EVE, but EVE doesn't have a player cap like Dust does. When only 16 people are allowed per team, it creates some big problems.

So here's what I personally want to see done:

1. Add requirements to FW. Say each player must meet a time since creation requirement, a warpoint requirement, and a skill point requirement. It doesn't have to be ridiculously large, just say something that says, "At least they played for a week or two and should know what's going on."

2. Put everyone into a squad automatically. If you queue up with a squad then everything happens as normal. If you don't queue up for a squad, then it will autogroup you into squads. Also add an option for players without a squad to apply for squad leader, working sort of like MAG (I know, I know) in that sense.

3. Add standings as soon as possible so we can get out of this flip-flopping business. I noticed at first Amarr would win a ton a matches, but now it seems like all the blueberries getting creamed by Amarr wised up and switched sides so they too could win, but all it did was flip flop the lopsided-ness.

Ranks would help so when I spam squad invites people know I'm not just some blue dot

I'd rather have you guys working on some reason to play FW other than lore.

There's lots of good stuff in this thread about a list.

But FIRST to get the thing rolling I think something like Skipper is talking about is key.

I think you'll find that a vast majority of Dust players could care less what happens in Eve and vice versa. However if you make FW worthwhile in Dust it could change that.

Not to mention it would be so much fun that you could take PC down and rethink it altogether. This would be preferable to a small portion of the community raking in BILLIONS of ISK while 90% of the community could care less and/or is intimidated by it.

FW is what you guys should be focusing on. In the short term I think it could really, really provide a boost to this community.

No. It shouldn't be team deploy only. Actually this is the last thing it should be. FW should introduce blueberries to a little more serious PvP. Like meeting Corp squads more often than in public matches. But it should be open for everyone. This isn't PC. If you start with a FW Teamdeploy only, then FW isn't like a Pub skirmish anymore, it will become exactly like PC. Like in Eve, everybody should be able to participate in FW and get the benefits. The problem is that, at the moment, there aren't any benefits in FW.

I think my level of interest in EVE-side FW stats is somewhere south of zero. I don't play EVE. Until there's rewards Dust-side that are special or unique in some way, it's just another way to play Skirmish matches.

Then join a corp and get on a team.

And it would be nothing like PC. Losing a few FW will not break a corp up. Players won't be left out of FW battles for months as they skill their character up.

It will allow and incentivize corps to bring in and train players that will later participate in PC.

There are pub matches for solo and squad deployments. You could take a a fleet with as many as you have online for FW in Eve. And the most important thing, this isn't Eve.

I can keep going and going with reasons why Team Deploy would be great for FW. And it has to be limited to team deploy or it will just be redline after redline.

I do have to raise a concern about having zero choice from the Dust-side in which system that you fight. As battles become more meaningful, the desire to choose WHERE you attack gets higher. They go hand-in-hand, otherwise all the FW stats you'll be showing might as well be random values for all the behaviours you'll be changing.

In the future fw battles will become more meanjngful. They already work on introducing standing and so on. Why should i be forced to always get a whole team together just to participate? What you want to do is changing fw to corp battles just for your own desire to have high level fights. That's not what fw is there for. You can't just run around, wanting to lock out blueberries who just want to play some rounds without having to do organized squad action of everything that influences eve online.

You may have noticed that i am in a corp. I also participated in several pc battles. But more than often i just want to sit back, turn my mic off and just have fun without having to be overly serious and without having to talk to my squad. But at the same time i want to jnfluence eve online. I don't care about pub matches at all. I do care about fw though, even in its current state and i see no reason to change it so only top players can participate.

And have you even thought this through? Making fw team deploy only would GREATLY reduce the amount of players participating in it. And there aren't exactly few fw-systems. There are even a lot more planets and on these planets there are more than just 1 district. You don't even try to look at the bigger picture. All you care about are the battles you would fight in. You don't care about the eve side of fw. But fw is the first real link we have to eve. That's what this is about.

Besides that, foxfour isn't asking about what they should change at fw in general. He's asking about statistics we want to see. That ccp is working on fw and wants to make it stand out from pub matches is no secret at all.

We need to change Faction Warfare!
In my opinion GǪ

Hey guys,

I am back from vacation today and diving right into getting some work done. I wanted to create this thread before vacation but there wasn't time and I wanted to be involved in the discussion so waited until now.

So, hypothetically speaking, say we had a screen for Factional Warfare that was showing how a specific battle effected the EVE universe. What kinds of things would you maybe possibly like to see on it?

For example:

• Districts owned by the faction out of all possible districts they could own
• How much time this battle has saved your faction for the solar system it's attacking
• How many EVE players this affects (EVE players that have received LP in the system in the last 24 hours)
• Did this battle make the system vulnerable in EVE

That is just a small list to give you an idea. I figured you guys might be interested in being part of this random discussion. :)

Eliminating non-loyalist from faction warfare - At the moment we have non-loyalist who treat Faction Warfare like any other Instant battle they don't bring their all and the que up against their own faction! A main bulk of the players in Faction Warfare are players who have just left the academy and don't wanna deal with pub stomping. This is a problem because Faction Warfare should be much more hardcore then Public Contracts. To help you get an idea of how bad it is here a Faction Warfare battle showing each players factions and the factions going to war.

Caldari State versus Gallente Federation

Amarr 4
Gallente 4
Minmitar 3
Caldari 5

(Just realized I was qued on the Gallente team for some reason so backed out before I could get any faction information on who the Gallente team. Also a lot of the players on the Caldari side were in NPC corps and you had a lot of Gallente fighting Gallente in that one same with the Caldari)

So please, lets stay on topic and not talk about the other issues in FW right now.

How hard would it be to create faction channels where people could form teams?

If there are 16 slots for the battle you should be able to fill them. We share different opinions.

In my opinion we don't need more game modes where teammates are not contributing at all to the fight.

If you throw blueberries together again, then how would this be any different from the current system? You would just make it more of a pain in the ass to get into a FW-battle.

Please stay on topic. This is a discussion for another thread.

Is there another thread somewhere that discusses how you guys are going to implement FW?

If not it would seem like this is a cart before the horse thread.

Chewing over a longer post but one aspect which jumps out right away is OB support.

Listing the pilots name, damage done/kills, etc. from both sides would be a great way to give more tangible indication of who is supporting FW and who is not.

Also including some sort of notification EVE side would be great, killmails for OBs?

Basically allow the interface to tell us what's going on and what impact is being made by coordinated efforts.

Cheers,
Cross

There's lots of good stuff in this thread about a list.

But FIRST to get the thing rolling I think something like Skipper is talking about is key.

I think you'll find that a vast majority of Dust players could care less what happens in Eve and vice versa. However if you make FW worthwhile in Dust it could change that.

Not to mention it would be so much fun that you could take PC down and rethink it altogether. This would be preferable to a small portion of the community raking in BILLIONS of ISK while 90% of the community could care less and/or is intimidated by it.

FW is what you guys should be focusing on. In the short term I think it could really, really provide a boost to this community.

My standing with each faction.
My corp's standing with each faction.
My alliance's standing with each faction.
(Wouldn't mind seeing the Dust corporations with the top 10 standings for each faction).

How much I've helped each faction.
How much my corp has helped each faction.
How much my alliance has helped each faction.

Spheres of influence for each faction.

Win/Loss ratios for each faction.

Various effects the winning of a FW battle has in EVE.

Killmails for OBs! *drools*

Hey guys,

I am back from vacation today and diving right into getting some work done. I wanted to create this thread before vacation but there wasn't time and I wanted to be involved in the discussion so waited until now.

So, hypothetically speaking, say we had a screen for Factional Warfare that was showing how a specific battle effected the EVE universe. What kinds of things would you maybe possibly like to see on it?

For example:

• Districts owned by the faction out of all possible districts they could own
• How much time this battle has saved your faction for the solar system it's attacking
• How many EVE players this affects (EVE players that have received LP in the system in the last 24 hours)
• Did this battle make the system vulnerable in EVE

That is just a small list to give you an idea. I figured you guys might be interested in being part of this random discussion. :)

Hey guys,

I am back from vacation today and diving right into getting some work done. I wanted to create this thread before vacation but there wasn't time and I wanted to be involved in the discussion so waited until now.

So, hypothetically speaking, say we had a screen for Factional Warfare that was showing how a specific battle effected the EVE universe. What kinds of things would you maybe possibly like to see on it?

For example:

• Districts owned by the faction out of all possible districts they could own
• How much time this battle has saved your faction for the solar system it's attacking
• How many EVE players this affects (EVE players that have received LP in the system in the last 24 hours)
• Did this battle make the system vulnerable in EVE

That is just a small list to give you an idea. I figured you guys might be interested in being part of this random discussion. :)

seems some people in EVE are starting to care about Dust influence in FW :p

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=280426


on topic:

- Influence gained in system
- A warning if something became (in)vurnerable
- Ships and Clone kills in the last 1 hour/3 hours/24 hours/3 days/1 week (per district/planet/system)(this should be viewable in EVE too, so they see how many mercs are dying)
- ISK and gear gained/lost in battle (inc. an overview on ISK and gear gained/lost per battle per district per planet and the time of the last battle on that district) (like a Dustbattle wide killmail)(this should be viewable in EVE too, so they see how many mercs are dying)
- LP earned (and include an LP store in Dust :p)
- Your own bulletpoints, since they were pretty awesome :3
- Amount of players in system (since you can't choose were you fight, you can't use it to scout reliable, also you don't see their names just a number and if they are Pilots or Mercs) at the time of the fight
- Any lore that was written over the system/planets with a link the the evelopedia to read said lore

Wow, from that link, it almost looks like the EVE community can be as whiny, entitled, negative, and pessimistic as the DUST community.

Hey guys,

I am back from vacation today and diving right into getting some work done. I wanted to create this thread before vacation but there wasn't time and I wanted to be involved in the discussion so waited until now.

So, hypothetically speaking, say we had a screen for Factional Warfare that was showing how a specific battle effected the EVE universe. What kinds of things would you maybe possibly like to see on it?

For example:

• Districts owned by the faction out of all possible districts they could own
• How much time this battle has saved your faction for the solar system it's attacking
• How many EVE players this affects (EVE players that have received LP in the system in the last 24 hours)
• Did this battle make the system vulnerable in EVE

That is just a small list to give you an idea. I figured you guys might be interested in being part of this random discussion. :)

I love data and stats. I'm a firm believer that if you track or measure something correctly you'll get a corresponding POSITIVE change in behaviour.

FW WAR stats

*number of Dust battles won/lost, by faction in last 24 hrs / week
*districts won/lost in the past 24hrs / week
*even better: a chart for each of the above going back over the past 7 days. Would mean you could see how the war is waxing and waning over time
*top 5 most contested districts/planets/systems (in terms of where dust battles are fought most often)
*Faction KDR / WP / isk/AUR destroyed, etc in last 24 hrs/week. Again, perhaps in a chart.

FW Battle stats

*Scoreboard for the battle
*Orbital Strike stats: how many, kills, isk destroyed, etc
*The affect it had on the eve system ownership. i.e. 87% -> 90%
*Related to the above, I'd like to know the possible minimum and maximum values of the eve FW ownership, based on the current owning zero and all districts (at the current eve contested state).
*This would show how important districts are in that system, and how much could be achieved by focusing on getting dust battles in that system.
*This could be shown graphically. It'd be nice to know if you lost/won an important battle as either a defence or an attack.
*Ship/pods killed in grid above the district. isk destroyed. Where they in a faction, or 3rd parties?
*I'd like to know about how recent battles in the same system have gone. Did we win the first battle after being in a losing streak? Is the tide turning? One thing I like about FW is that it's about the wins/loses in aggregate that is important.

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I do have to raise a concern about having zero choice from the Dust-side in which system that you fight. As battles become more meaningful, the desire to choose WHERE you attack gets higher. They go hand-in-hand, otherwise all the FW stats you'll be showing might as well be random values for all the behaviours you'll be changing.

For example: you might have arranged some orbital support, but you don't know in advance which system you'll be fighting in. You can't even guarantee that you'll fight in the same (or close) systems one after the other. Any possibility of being told which systems have the most VP being earned (and so are candidates for battles) or being able to do some choosing? Or being able to prefer attack or defense battles for the side you'll be fighting for?

I'd start with a screen that allows you to deploy an entire team into battle. When you start doing that it'll matter.

Then you'll see stuff really happening in FW. But people are so hard up for team deploy that 90% won't care what faction.

We have a channel going where we try to get a number of squads together and choose sides so that all of us are with/against each other and sync deploy.

TEAM DEPLOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need it