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Thurak1
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.09.24 07:15:00 -
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Honestly I won't give a darn about factional warfare unless it impacts my wallet in some manner. By this i mean either cheaper drop suits or weapons from a faction or increased payouts or something. The way factional warefare stands right now i don't care about it one bit. If there was a actual faction system where i could earn faction with different groups and i had to maintain said faction to keep a discount then i would use it. |
Karl Koekwaus
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
181
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Posted - 2013.09.24 23:23:00 -
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seems some people in EVE are starting to care about Dust influence in FW :p
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=280426
on topic:
- Influence gained in system - A warning if something became (in)vurnerable - Ships and Clone kills in the last 1 hour/3 hours/24 hours/3 days/1 week (per district/planet/system)(this should be viewable in EVE too, so they see how many mercs are dying) - ISK and gear gained/lost in battle (inc. an overview on ISK and gear gained/lost per battle per district per planet and the time of the last battle on that district) (like a Dustbattle wide killmail)(this should be viewable in EVE too, so they see how many mercs are dying) - LP earned (and include an LP store in Dust :p) - Your own bulletpoints, since they were pretty awesome :3 - Amount of players in system (since you can't choose were you fight, you can't use it to scout reliable, also you don't see their names just a number and if they are Pilots or Mercs) at the time of the fight - Any lore that was written over the system/planets with a link the the evelopedia to read said lore
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Talos Vagheitan
King Slayers
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Posted - 2013.09.27 20:21:00 -
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Karl Koekwaus wrote:seems some people in EVE are starting to care about Dust influence in FW :p https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=280426on topic: - Influence gained in system - A warning if something became (in)vurnerable - Ships and Clone kills in the last 1 hour/3 hours/24 hours/3 days/1 week (per district/planet/system)(this should be viewable in EVE too, so they see how many mercs are dying) - ISK and gear gained/lost in battle (inc. an overview on ISK and gear gained/lost per battle per district per planet and the time of the last battle on that district) (like a Dustbattle wide killmail)(this should be viewable in EVE too, so they see how many mercs are dying) - LP earned (and include an LP store in Dust :p) - Your own bulletpoints, since they were pretty awesome :3 - Amount of players in system (since you can't choose were you fight, you can't use it to scout reliable, also you don't see their names just a number and if they are Pilots or Mercs) at the time of the fight - Any lore that was written over the system/planets with a link the the evelopedia to read said lore
Wow, from that link, it almost looks like the EVE community can be as whiny, entitled, negative, and pessimistic as the DUST community. |
Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.09.29 11:28:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:Karl Koekwaus wrote:seems some people in EVE are starting to care about Dust influence in FW :p https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=280426on topic: - Influence gained in system - A warning if something became (in)vurnerable - Ships and Clone kills in the last 1 hour/3 hours/24 hours/3 days/1 week (per district/planet/system)(this should be viewable in EVE too, so they see how many mercs are dying) - ISK and gear gained/lost in battle (inc. an overview on ISK and gear gained/lost per battle per district per planet and the time of the last battle on that district) (like a Dustbattle wide killmail)(this should be viewable in EVE too, so they see how many mercs are dying) - LP earned (and include an LP store in Dust :p) - Your own bulletpoints, since they were pretty awesome :3 - Amount of players in system (since you can't choose were you fight, you can't use it to scout reliable, also you don't see their names just a number and if they are Pilots or Mercs) at the time of the fight - Any lore that was written over the system/planets with a link the the evelopedia to read said lore Wow, from that link, it almost looks like the EVE community can be as whiny, entitled, negative, and pessimistic as the DUST community.
LOL, they're just QQing because the Amarr Empire is getting it's butt kicked in FW now. What THEY need to do is contract mercs in DUST (this will be easier when cross-game-ISK-transfers are patched in), no one is saying THEY need to play DUST. THEY need to help strengthen the link between the two games and help their "Empire" themselves. My alliance supports GalMil in EVE and DUST, and we also lend a hand to the Minmatar in DUST when necessary (not so much now, haha). Really, they should get some DUST corps in their alliance, or join an alliance that can help them with FW if they are not already in one.
EDIT: hopefully the new changes to FW will make the mercs and capsuleers equally happy and equally valuable in FW. |
lithkul devant
Legions of Infinite Dominion
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Posted - 2013.09.29 13:52:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Hey guys, I am back from vacation today and diving right into getting some work done. I wanted to create this thread before vacation but there wasn't time and I wanted to be involved in the discussion so waited until now. So, hypothetically speaking, say we had a screen for Factional Warfare that was showing how a specific battle effected the EVE universe. What kinds of things would you maybe possibly like to see on it? For example:
- Districts owned by the faction out of all possible districts they could own
- How much time this battle has saved your faction for the solar system it's attacking
- How many EVE players this affects (EVE players that have received LP in the system in the last 24 hours)
- Did this battle make the system vulnerable in EVE
That is just a small list to give you an idea. I figured you guys might be interested in being part of this random discussion. :)
Everything that was listed here is just stuff that affects EVE, to me that is worthless without having content that says what is EVE doing to affect me in return. I mean why would I care at all if I help out or greatly harm the EVE players except out of ego at this current point in time, as they can not help me get SP, they can't give me ISK, they are a complete non factor for me right now. If for example, I get Gallente my faction to win 10 or even 100 FW's currently this has no effect on me, I could have even done the same in pub matches/instant action and get the same amount of SP and ISK. So my list is the following.
* What market fluxuations there will be because of battles/planets Won or Lost *How much this affects both EVE and DUST players in what they will earn. *How much EVE corps will pay DUST players for making a system vunerable. *Reputation gain, ISK gain, whatever for DUST players being provided by districts owned and EVE player funding.
I'm a merc, I care some about faction loyalty, but give me enough Isk or gear and I'll switch sides, I want news/stats that affects the net income of my wallet and my inventory and what jobs in the future might be paying out. If I thought that I'll get more money by putting the screws on one faction, I'm going to do it till they make me a better offer, that's how a merc works. The overhead battle being conducted by mega corps I could care less about until they pay me to care. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
281
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Posted - 2013.09.29 21:16:00 -
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Knowing what impact we are having is great but the main issue I believe is giving us a reason to stick with a faction, maybe even if we fight for minmatar and gallente or caldari and amarr seen as those seem to be two alliances of sorts.
I fight for duct tape and four eyes, where's my money |
Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
183
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:17:00 -
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Absolute Idiom II wrote:I love data and stats. I'm a firm believer that if you track or measure something correctly you'll get a corresponding POSITIVE change in behaviour.
FW WAR stats
*number of Dust battles won/lost, by faction in last 24 hrs / week *districts won/lost in the past 24hrs / week *even better: a chart for each of the above going back over the past 7 days. Would mean you could see how the war is waxing and waning over time *top 5 most contested districts/planets/systems (in terms of where dust battles are fought most often) *Faction KDR / WP / isk/AUR destroyed, etc in last 24 hrs/week. Again, perhaps in a chart.
FW Battle stats
*Scoreboard for the battle *Orbital Strike stats: how many, kills, isk destroyed, etc *The affect it had on the eve system ownership. i.e. 87% -> 90% *Related to the above, I'd like to know the possible minimum and maximum values of the eve FW ownership, based on the current owning zero and all districts (at the current eve contested state). *This would show how important districts are in that system, and how much could be achieved by focusing on getting dust battles in that system. *This could be shown graphically. It'd be nice to know if you lost/won an important battle as either a defence or an attack. *Ship/pods killed in grid above the district. isk destroyed. Where they in a faction, or 3rd parties? *I'd like to know about how recent battles in the same system have gone. Did we win the first battle after being in a losing streak? Is the tide turning? One thing I like about FW is that it's about the wins/loses in aggregate that is important.
I do have to raise a concern about having zero choice from the Dust-side in which system that you fight. As battles become more meaningful, the desire to choose WHERE you attack gets higher. They go hand-in-hand, otherwise all the FW stats you'll be showing might as well be random values for all the behaviours you'll be changing.
For example: you might have arranged some orbital support, but you don't know in advance which system you'll be fighting in. You can't even guarantee that you'll fight in the same (or close) systems one after the other. Any possibility of being told which systems have the most VP being earned (and so are candidates for battles) or being able to do some choosing? Or being able to prefer attack or defense battles for the side you'll be fighting for?
^This. Whilst waiting for a battle to come up we should be shown a list of probable deployment locations to better co-ordinate with EVE pilots. Even better would be the ability to choose in advance from a list of locations, although this could result in increased waiting for deployment times.
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501st Headstrong
Svartur Bjorn Neo Terra Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.03 02:52:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'd start with a screen that allows you to deploy an entire team into battle. When you start doing that it'll matter.
Then you'll see stuff really happening in FW. But people are so hard up for team deploy that 90% won't care what faction.
We have a channel going where we try to get a number of squads together and choose sides so that all of us are with/against each other and sync deploy.
TEAM DEPLOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need it
Hit me up with the name of the channel, I'd love to try that haha. I do have a mike |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
2193
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Posted - 2013.10.11 04:22:00 -
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Include more Star Map - Factional Warfare use. It's already pretty useful but useless at the same time. It does not help us make useful decisions, because we can't make any. So I guess return the ability to join FW from Starmap.
Also this one is a wild idea, beware.
Right now in battlefinder we can queue certain factions. However on top of that, what if we could have Region/Star filter so we deploy to a specific place of our choosing. So say I want to kick the Caldari out of Verge Vendor, I could select it on the list and queue up a match. Of course a little longer of deployment or deployed late into a game, which happens now anyways.
But it would be interesting, so you could have little "watch squads" who can attack / protect certain locations.
Also some people play only the FW side of dust and I think that I'm going to shift to FW for the most part as well. It would be nice to have a summary of what's going on in the Regions without having to zoom in on it a whole lot. Like a list of all the active contracts being played by certain faction.
Attacker: Amarr Empire Defender: Minmatar Republic Metropolis > Bloop > Blap System > Blap III > District 4
Like so. Again, a lot of work but kind of nice. |
Denn Maell
PIanet Express
1
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Posted - 2013.10.13 20:59:00 -
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Until some kind of Reputation or LP store (Marketplace discounts on Dropsuits from the faction? Army-Faction LP bought suits?) comes into play then there isn't that much difference between FW and Public matches.
Something that would pique my interest is a reward bonus for fighting in FW for district/planet/systems close to be conquered and advertising that as a definite option rather than having it pop up as a random search. Seriously, if its a rando search that you get plopped down at somewhere significant or not then wouldn't the factions want to get the Proto-users in there? |
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Denn Maell
PIanet Express
7
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Posted - 2013.10.14 04:30:00 -
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Furthermore:
In Dust its easy to forget that Faction Warfare is different from Public Contracts. If we could see an overview of some kind of the progress being made by Eve pilots and selecting which district/planet/star system to fight in we could be more invested by being more informed and feel like we are participating in the Dust/Eve link.
I never participated on the Eve side of Faction War, so I don't know what info would be relevant, but it should be close to what Eve players who participate actually see. Beyound that OB's in the last hour or so would be good, as well as the number of active militia ships in the area and the ability to contact and actually request an OB and coordinate would be good.
I'm not sure whether this would be good or bad but perhaps Dust Corps should be made to 'pick a side' when it comes to faction warfare and actually build up reputation with the factions... |
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