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Moejoe Omnipotent
Imperfects
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Posted - 2013.09.11 09:45:00 -
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The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's limited capabilities. It is far too late for this game to recover in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience. Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once the game is all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.11 09:56:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's limited capabilities. It is far too late for this game to recover in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently.
No, this game is persistent, restarting is now no longer an option, if the wanted to restart that should have been done in closed beta!! DUST will be available on both consoles for a time, when sony cut support for ps3 systems, we will potentially move over completly, they wont overhaul the base code to suit the ps4 until unreal 4 is released, u 4 willmhave the capability of optimizing the game for improved performance on the ps4.
You need to either leave alone, or stick it out, you dont just shutdown andmhave another go, on a game like this!! |
SgtDoughnut
M.E.R.C. Elite
90
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Posted - 2013.09.11 09:57:00 -
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This is actually a great idea, as long as my chars from dust transfer to the new version in some way or another (not really concerned about the SP but the suits and blueprints I have I would love to keep, my bright red caldari suit makes me laugh when i kick a proto in the face.) |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
990
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:14:00 -
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Thank you! I was beginning to worry that the community won't fill the weekly quota of repeated threads.
Seriously, I'm appalled at that "receive good press". Only young immature gamers are so infused with what the press thinks about a game. Who gives a flux?
I'm having a good time...this isn't Final Fantasy. This isn't your average game with an average run of the mill developer.
It's clear that if you were so good at these ideas that you would somehow be involved within the gaming industry. Since you're not, please be quiet. You don't know what the hell you're talking about. |
Moejoe Omnipotent
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:18:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Thank you! I was beginning to worry that the community won't fill the weekly quota of repeated threads.
Seriously, I'm appalled at that "receive good press". Only young immature gamers are so infused with what the press thinks about a game. Who gives a flux?
I'm having a good time...this isn't Final Fantasy. This isn't your average game with an average run of the mill developer.
It's clear that if you were so good at these ideas that you would somehow be involved within the gaming industry. Since you're not, please be quiet. You don't know what the hell you're talking about.
You're adorable. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
542
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:19:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's limited capabilities and that their vision will never materialize on old last-gen hardware. It is far too late for this game to recover in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently.
Focus from here until the PS4 release should be on fixing the game and fixing the brand. Once you've revived good press and have given Dust a second chance at life, then you can rake in the $$$.
Despite all its flaws Dust is still my favorite shooter even if i have to take 2 patches of retirement it will still be my main goto fps game, why ?
Because there is nothing else like it, everything else is the same sh*t reharshed into new shiney **** with your 100 levels to redo. then in a year they will bring out a "new" version and you can again redo your 100 levels and so on and on.
The best part is that on PS3 there are no Hackers.
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2-Ton Twenty-One
Ancient Exiles
959
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:19:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Thank you! I was beginning to worry that the community won't fill the weekly quota of repeated threads.
Seriously, I'm appalled at that "receive good press". Only young immature gamers are so infused with what the press thinks about a game. Who gives a flux?
I'm having a good time...this isn't Final Fantasy. This isn't your average game with an average run of the mill developer.
It's clear that if you were so good at these ideas that you would somehow be involved within the gaming industry. Since you're not, please be quiet. You don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Fanboi in 4 posts... |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
991
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:29:00 -
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Passive aggressiveness doesn't really work here. It's always one of you guys that talk nonsense. It's always the doom and gloom.
It's like a checklist because it seems you naysayers can't really come up with much negative besides what you folks repeat day in and day out. I've been reading about Dust is dying on this forums for months. I've also read about guys who claimed to be leaving and they stay.
It's boring. You're not creative enough to come up with a new and fresh argument so you recycle the old. Instead of rallying behind the developer to better your experience, you simply say idiotic things for some sort of reaction.
But this is what the industry deals with. Moronic ideas uttered by followers who couldn't stand on their own opinion if their life depends on it. They just rehash whats been said by something other gamer.
For instance, "CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3 limited capabilites"
That is one stupid remark. Its well known that while the PS3's tech is good, it is quite difficult to be developed on. The sheer size of the maps and details shows you that CCP have gotten better with the development. From sun rays, to lighting effects, to shading, to landscape, and to building design-Dust is continuing to look better than its previous builds.
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Bendtner92
Imperfects
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:30:00 -
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http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
Less than 4k online at peak and only decreasing.
Yes, I agree a fresh start on the PS4 would be the best option, but since a PS4 version hasn't been confirmed yet I would say we're looking at spring 2014 for a PS4 version at the earliest. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1360
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:32:00 -
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I was wondering where all the PS4 threads where, is been a while since the last one.  |
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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:33:00 -
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2-Ton Twenty-One wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Thank you! I was beginning to worry that the community won't fill the weekly quota of repeated threads.
Seriously, I'm appalled at that "receive good press". Only young immature gamers are so infused with what the press thinks about a game. Who gives a flux?
I'm having a good time...this isn't Final Fantasy. This isn't your average game with an average run of the mill developer.
It's clear that if you were so good at these ideas that you would somehow be involved within the gaming industry. Since you're not, please be quiet. You don't know what the hell you're talking about. Fanboi in 4 posts...
This brainchild. It was one post, Einstein. I am supporter of CCP, yes. I don't care how you view it. If you're not here to support the game then take your whiny selves back to the cheerleader squads you good at. This game is for folks who actually like to hit hard on the field. Pansies need not apply. So pull down your skirts and hopefully you might grow a pair. |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
1278
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:34:00 -
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I hear EVE can run well on pretty low-cost/budget gaming computers.
So I'm sure CCP can whip up a masterpiece on the PS3.
Moving to PS4 won't stop Sony from being between CCP and us consumers like an awkward third wheel to a troubled relationship.
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Mortedeamor
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
237
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:49:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Thank you! I was beginning to worry that the community won't fill the weekly quota of repeated threads.
Seriously, I'm appalled at that "receive good press". Only young immature gamers are so infused with what the press thinks about a game. Who gives a flux?
I'm having a good time...this isn't Final Fantasy. This isn't your average game with an average run of the mill developer.
It's clear that if you were so good at these ideas that you would somehow be involved within the gaming industry. Since you're not, please be quiet. You don't know what the hell you're talking about.
"This isn't your average game with an average run of the mill developer. "
is it not? at every turn for the past 2 years ccp has shown that dust 514 is exactly that an average game (albeit with great potential) sadly the developer is as stated above, average. If ccp is not an average game developer then they have not shown such with dust 514. they may have made something great in eve but as a fps dust declines month by month. there are countless issues most of which would not exist past the first few months of development for any ABOVE AVERAGE game developers.
whats worse is they have shown below average communication with they're testers. ccp a average game company has been telling above average testers they dont know what they are talking about for a long time. several of the changes they made in dust throughout it's development that ended up disastrous they were well warned off of by the gamers that they don't listen to.
(any other developer would not have done so )
the player base is gone and it's not coming back why would anyone come back to DUST 514 ON PS3 when 1 there are currently better games to play on ps3 and 2 there will be loads more better games and a better consle coming out ina few months. lol
even assuming the change ccp made in they're employees balances and fixes the aspects of dust all the veteran might of dust is in one giant alliance. even down to the player base thats here balancing the game wouldn't matter why so the vets can once again achieve perfection in the matches and pub stomp scrubs 100% of the time instead of 75% of it lol
+1 to OP ccp start over |
Mejt0
D3LTA ACADEMY
Inver Brass
22
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:51:00 -
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And what? Ps4 coming and all games must vo from ps3 version to ps4? I dont think that ALL will buy ps4 at start. |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:52:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's limited capabilities and that their vision will never materialize on old last-gen hardware. It is far too late for this game to recover in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently.
Focus from here until the PS4 release should be on fixing the game and fixing the brand. Once you've revived good press and have given Dust a second chance at life, then you can rake in the $$$.
This is one of the rare times I'm going to agree. Dust514 will do far better on the ps4 and I belive both version can run sideby side but once the ps4 has settled in Dust514 should make its home their. |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
995
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:53:00 -
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If the player base is gone then how is this game still being played? Ghosts?
But ok.
I'm having a great time with Dust. And I look forward to the future of Dust.
The truth is, I'm not the only one that feels this way.
I will continue supporting this project because I love their ambition and the idea of it all
It's damn good fun...sorry you don't have the same experience. |
Mortedeamor
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
237
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:53:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:And what? Ps4 coming and all games must vo from ps3 version to ps4? I dont think that ALL will buy ps4 at start.
sony is not likely to shut the ps3 network down not for a long time and the ps4 is running on the same network so while production of ps3 will probably stop i think they will leave both systems up for a long time why kill the income. but dust cannot be meant for the ps3 the ps3 couldn't support a 100 perfect dust 514 it would burn up |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
995
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:54:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:And what? Ps4 coming and all games must vo from ps3 version to ps4? I dont think that ALL will buy ps4 at start.
No they don't. Smart people don't buy first gen tech. And the transitional period is at least a year. Plus the tech has to be realized fully. So that means next gen won't be all next gen until the following year.
Go figure. |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1305
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:56:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:And what? Ps4 coming and all games must vo from ps3 version to ps4? I dont think that ALL will buy ps4 at start.
Eu pre ordes are sold out the littary can't make enough to fill the demand so u might be wrong on this one |
Vin Mora
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
141
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:57:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
Less than 4k online at peak and only decreasing.
Yes, I agree a fresh start on the PS4 would be the best option, but since a PS4 version hasn't been confirmed yet I would say we're looking at spring 2014 for a PS4 version at the earliest.
And on what information is it that you assume 3000+ people playing a day is bad?
Do you have just as hard numbers for COD or Battlefield? If not, then SFTU and stop assuming that the 'low' player count is a bad thing.
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Orenji Jiji
Seraphim Auxiliaries
256
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:57:00 -
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LOL at everybody who thinks that PS4 is the secret sauce that Dust is missing. Especially now, when the game sucks less and less with every build.
FUD moar, gloom & doom hardcore whiners. |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:01:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Mejt0 wrote:And what? Ps4 coming and all games must vo from ps3 version to ps4? I dont think that ALL will buy ps4 at start. No they don't. Smart people don't buy first gen tech. And the transitional period is at least a year. Plus the tech has to be realized fully. So that means next gen won't be all next gen until the following year. Go figure.
As these fourms prove smart people make up 0.5% of the gaming population so thats not much of an argument lol |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
393
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:09:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Mejt0 wrote:And what? Ps4 coming and all games must vo from ps3 version to ps4? I dont think that ALL will buy ps4 at start. sony is not likely to shut the ps3 network down not for a long time and the ps4 is running on the same network so while production of ps3 will probably stop i think they will leave both systems up for a long time why kill the income. but dust cannot be meant for the ps3 the ps3 couldn't support a 100 perfect dust 514 it would burn up
True we will definitely move to ps4 at some point, it would be illogical not to, as for the server stats, we've been like that for months, what is the point your making, also if you look there is an upward curving beginning to appear on thd six month markl! I mean apparently people left in droves when .4 hit, yet we've still got the same number of people playing, so either they lied, or we are getting players back at the same rate we are loosing them!! |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1260
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:09:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's limited capabilities and that their vision will never materialize on old last-gen hardware. It is far too late for this game to recover in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently.
Focus from here until the PS4 release should be on fixing the game and fixing the brand. Once you've revived good press and have given Dust a second chance at life, then you can rake in the $$$.
Dust is screwed, even if they do eventually make it to PS4.
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Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1043
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:10:00 -
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Vin Mora wrote:And on what information is it that you assume 3000+ people playing a day is bad?
Do you have just as hard numbers for COD or Battlefield? If not, then SFTU and stop assuming that the 'low' player count is a bad thing.
MAG, a game which a part of this forum describes as a failure, had way more players at peak. Also MAG only showed people actually either in battle or waiting in que, and not people just sitting in a party outside a match etc. The Suppression gamemode also didn't show player numbers either, so there could be x amount of players in there as well.
So basically current peak numbers for Dust are terribad. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
393
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:14:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Mejt0 wrote:And what? Ps4 coming and all games must vo from ps3 version to ps4? I dont think that ALL will buy ps4 at start. No they don't. Smart people don't buy first gen tech. And the transitional period is at least a year. Plus the tech has to be realized fully. So that means next gen won't be all next gen until the following year. Go figure.
Of course they dont, the ps2 continued for 3 years after 3 was launched, the ps3 has had one of the longest console life cycles ever, the 4 wont reach its potential anytime soon, it runs cryengine without breaking a sweat!!
And its not the console we should concerned about moving to its when move to unreal 4, the transition of code will generate a lot of bugs!! |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
394
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:18:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Vin Mora wrote:And on what information is it that you assume 3000+ people playing a day is bad?
Do you have just as hard numbers for COD or Battlefield? If not, then SFTU and stop assuming that the 'low' player count is a bad thing.
MAG, a game which a part of this forum describes as a failure, had way more players at peak. Also MAG only showed people actually either in battle or waiting in que, and not people just sitting in a party outside a match etc. The Suppression gamemode also didn't show player numbers either, so there could be x amount of players in there as well. So basically current peak numbers for Dust are terribad.
MAG wasn't a fail, it flopped because at the time it spent lot of its resources pushing the network to its limit, it wasn't very reliable or polished, not to mention MAG got a rather large media campaign we haven't, very few people know of dusts exsistence, and the game isn't ready to push its existence . . . . YET!! |
SponkSponkSponk
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
309
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:20:00 -
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Vin Mora wrote:And on what information is it that you assume 3000+ people playing a day is bad?
Do you have just as hard numbers for COD or Battlefield? If not, then SFTU and stop assuming that the 'low' player count is a bad thing.
I'm not saying it's bad, but it's about 15% of the number of people playing planetside, and there's probably about 50 times as many people playing COD right now. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1361
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:21:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
Less than 4k online at peak and only decreasing.
Yes, I agree a fresh start on the PS4 would be the best option, but since a PS4 version hasn't been confirmed yet I would say we're looking at spring 2014 for a PS4 version at the earliest.
When you guys are going to understand that the problem is not the "Console", but the game itself. |
m twiggz
Pawns and Kings
The Superpowers
61
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:37:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Despite all its flaws Dust is still my favorite shooter even if i have to take 2 patches of retirement it will still be my main goto fps game, why ?
Because there is nothing else like it, everything else is the same sh*t reharshed into new shiney **** with your 100 levels to redo. then in a year they will bring out a "new" version and you can again redo your 100 levels and so on and on.
The best part is that on PS3 there are no Hackers.
I second this statement.
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RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die
520
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:39:00 -
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Umm, why are you idiots blabbering about preparing about PS4 when the earliest adopters will likely be hardcore gamers who have most likely tried out dust?
If I were a CCP Head, I'd wait for more than 25-30 million sales before releasing dust on the PS4.
Remember, 3-4k peak on ~80 million player base.
So, do you want an even more fragmented community?
PS, CCP HAS begun preparations for PS4, it's silly to pretend that they haven't |
Vin Mora
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
141
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Posted - 2013.09.11 12:04:00 -
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SponkSponkSponk wrote:Vin Mora wrote:And on what information is it that you assume 3000+ people playing a day is bad?
Do you have just as hard numbers for COD or Battlefield? If not, then SFTU and stop assuming that the 'low' player count is a bad thing.
I'm not saying it's bad, but it's about 15% of the number of people playing planetside,
It is honestly surprising to see the numbers that high, a wonder what that will look like with the PS4 launch of the game.
SponkSponkSponk wrote: and there's probably about 50 times as many people playing COD right now.
Again with the probably! Get hard numbers like you did above.
You notice how a lot of games don't tell their player counts, because with most games it doesn't matter much. People complain because the game is stale to them, or any other countless reasons. But 3000+ people a night seems pretty good to me. I have a built a large network of associates and public channels on this character, and I hardly ever any of the people that I know. Matchmaking seems to working fine in that respect. |
Vin Mora
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
141
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Posted - 2013.09.11 12:04:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
Less than 4k online at peak and only decreasing.
Yes, I agree a fresh start on the PS4 would be the best option, but since a PS4 version hasn't been confirmed yet I would say we're looking at spring 2014 for a PS4 version at the earliest. When you guys are going to understand that the problem is not the "Console", but the game itself.
Not really, the console (and their choice of game engine) are limiting factors when development experience is an issue. If moving PS4 gives them the ability to use their own, or a more familiar, engine, then that will help the game. |
Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
680
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Posted - 2013.09.11 12:06:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's limited capabilities and that their vision will never materialize on old last-gen hardware. It is far too late for this game to recover in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently.
Focus from here until the PS4 release should be on fixing the game and fixing the brand. Once you've revived good press and have given Dust a second chance at life, then you can rake in the $$$.
I never read a comment like that before...
No really. What do you think would change on the PS4? I can tell you what: Nothing. Development would still be slow, it would still be the same team. You can't expect them to just "start over" and suddenly everything we were waiting for for months now would be there. That's not how it works.
Oh well: We would have less players because not many people will buy the PS4 directly on launch. Many people will wait until the PS4-Slim is released. PS3 is an established console on the other hand. No reason to release Dust 514 on PS4 before the PS4-Slim is released. |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
878
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Posted - 2013.09.11 12:53:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's limited capabilities and that their vision will never materialize on old last-gen hardware. It is far too late for this game to recover in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently.
Focus from here until the PS4 release should be on fixing the game and fixing the brand. Once you've revived good press and have given Dust a second chance at life, then you can rake in the $$$.
The PS3 version of DUST 514 serves as a tremendously valuable research platform for the integration with New Eden. The results of that union are fundamentally unpredictable, and unpleasant surprises discovered now on the PS3 can be avoided when the transition to PS4 happens.
The real asset here, imo, is the social capital that has been formed between the DUST and EVE communities. I'm not sure shutting that down and asking peeps to reinvest in New Eden later is a good idea. That's a hard one to prognosticate on.
A case can be made that we've almost got most of the core shooter mechanics out of the way - there's still a lot of room for improvement in the 'feel', but the core game is almost functional. With one more patch focusing on the core(the kb/m love, the vehicle part deux, the WP expansion and the squad support that's inbound with 1.5) we could end up with a serviceable bare-bones core experience.
Content in the form of weapons, gear and suits will continue to trickle in with each patch, maps will come in on a 3-monthly cycle(combinatorics really works for us here).
With the core out of the way CCP can focus on the meat: game modes and the integration with New Eden. That integration will happen faster than most peeps think, imo. And that's when this glommed mass of art assets, back room plumbing and game mechanics will achieve critical mass and start to glow from the inside out.
That tremendously complex process will not be without it's hiccups and meltdowns. I believe the argument for having much of that take place on the PS3 has a lot going for it. Additionally, it's easy to underestimate the long-term value of the social capital that DUST is already adding to New Eden. |
Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
594
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Posted - 2013.09.11 13:14:00 -
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Aaaah.... A fresh crop of Doom Berries ready to be harvested! |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
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Posted - 2013.09.11 13:16:00 -
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You won't notice anything with 3000+ players. But 2000- players, YOU WILL. I'll wager on that. You ever jump on dust after the down time? imagine that. but at all times! 2000- split by matchmaking= not good.
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Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
879
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Posted - 2013.09.11 13:37:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's limited capabilities and that their vision will never materialize on old last-gen hardware. It is far too late for this game to recover in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently.
Focus from here until the PS4 release should be on fixing the game and fixing the brand. Once you've revived good press and have given Dust a second chance at life, then you can rake in the $$$. Despite all its flaws Dust is still my favorite shooter even if i have to take 2 patches of retirement it will still be my main goto fps game, why ? Because there is nothing else like it, everything else is the same sh*t reharshed into new shiney **** with your 100 levels to redo. then in a year they will bring out a "new" version and you can again redo your 100 levels and so on and on. The best part is that on PS3 there are no Hackers.
+1.
Apologies fro going a bit off-topic, but this last point about no hackers deserves more attention. In a genuinely persistent universe, this counts for a hella lot. it really makes me wonder how DUST could ever move to PC. |
Moejoe Omnipotent
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
615
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Posted - 2013.09.11 21:02:00 -
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The PS3 version would be considered a failure so any effect the PS4 version has on it would be unimportant. If I were CCP I would label the past couple years as a "learning experience."
I find it very strange that it's the EVE players and self-proclaimed "CCP fanboys" who oppose these measures. If you cared for this game these are the type of ideas you would get behind. I don't think Dust was designed to be a toy for EVE players who happen to own a PS3 to mess around with. It was supposed to serve as a gateway into the EVE universe for the vast console playerbase. |
Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis
Alpha Wolf Pack
403
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Posted - 2013.09.11 21:40:00 -
[40] - Quote
Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's limited capabilities and that their vision will never materialize on old last-gen hardware. It is far too late for this game to recover in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently.
Focus from here until the PS4 release should be on fixing the game and fixing the brand. Once you've revived good press and have given Dust a second chance at life, then you can rake in the $$$. TBH, they are most likely developing a PS4 version or have one already. No way CCP would have built a persistent-style game on a discontinuing platform. PS3 was easy to develop for to test things out immediately. Now, they're having a chance to do that. But consider the totality of the game: there's a reason to maps are massive--they're to fill up 64v64 matches.
FF2014 We'll see a PS4 version and perhaps PVE as well.
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Boxoffire
Ninth Legion Freelance
Top Men.
128
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Posted - 2013.09.11 22:04:00 -
[41] - Quote
Dude, the game isn't even technically finished. We don't even have all the basic dropsuits, weapons, modes, vehicles, equipment, and a bunch of other things that CCP had "planed for release".
You should judge the game from the fact that CCP have said these things, not because they out a sticker on it that says "released". Heck, if that were the case, Dust would have been a full release the day the Beta became open.
Just chill, they didn't even get done with the core mechanics. Just last build they finally added aim assist and improved the hit detection, two huge must have for any Console FPS. I still believe that the "core" game will come with the PS4.
Just hang in tight, be patient. If you're not patient, the. To play something else for a bit and check back later. |
Moejoe Omnipotent
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
620
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Posted - 2013.09.11 22:39:00 -
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Boxoffire wrote:Dude, the game isn't even technically finished. We don't even have all the basic dropsuits, weapons, modes, vehicles, equipment, and a bunch of other things that CCP had "planed for release".
You should judge the game from the fact that CCP have said these things, not because they out a sticker on it that says "released". Heck, if that were the case, Dust would have been a full release the day the Beta became open.
Just chill, they didn't even get done with the core mechanics. Just last build they finally added aim assist and improved the hit detection, two huge must have for any Console FPS. I still believe that the "core" game will come with the PS4.
Just hang in tight, be patient. If you're not patient, the. To play something else for a bit and check back later.
There is no more hanging on and being patient. That all ended on the 14th of May. |
J3f3r20n Gh057
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
102
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Posted - 2013.09.11 22:51:00 -
[43] - Quote
Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's limited capabilities and that their vision will never materialize on old last-gen hardware. It is far too late for this game to recover in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently.
Focus from here until the PS4 release should be on fixing the game and fixing the brand. Once you've revived good press and have given Dust a second chance at life, then you can rake in the $$$.
* sigh* Kids....
Sooooo, if its not Dust vs PS2, they bring the same old story bout how Dust will fail if this, if that.
Just calm down, wait to ps4 and don't be such an 4ssh0le tying to troll. It's a shame to see ppl trying to be trol and failling at it. |
Moejoe Omnipotent
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
620
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Posted - 2013.09.11 22:56:00 -
[44] - Quote
J3f3r20n Gh057 wrote:
* sigh* Kids....
Sooooo, if its not Dust vs PS2, they bring the same old story bout how Dust will fail if this, if that.
Just calm down, wait to ps4 and don't be such an 4ssh0le tying to troll. It's a shame to see ppl trying to be trol and failling at it.
Dust has already failed, I don't see how one could argue otherwise. This is why I suggest rebranding the game FF14 style. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles
100
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Posted - 2013.09.11 23:00:00 -
[45] - Quote
Michael Arck wrote:If the player base is gone then how is this game still being played? Ghosts?
But ok.
I'm having a great time with Dust. And I look forward to the future of Dust.
The truth is, I'm not the only one that feels this way.
I will continue supporting this project because I love their ambition and the idea of it all
It's damn good fun...sorry you don't have the same experience.
After GTA 5 online drops most of one massive market is gonna drop off.. do i want this? no... but other then a match or two a day from a percentage of those people....
DUST has no reward anymore... the depth in gameplay feels lost... and installing current FPS fad skill gap limiters to fix issues they created in the first place kills the confidence that they even knew what they where doing in the first place. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
418
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Posted - 2013.09.11 23:02:00 -
[46] - Quote
Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:J3f3r20n Gh057 wrote:
* sigh* Kids....
Sooooo, if its not Dust vs PS2, they bring the same old story bout how Dust will fail if this, if that.
Just calm down, wait to ps4 and don't be such an 4ssh0le tying to troll. It's a shame to see ppl trying to be trol and failling at it.
Dust has already failed, I don't see how one could argue otherwise. This is why I suggest rebranding the game FF14 style.
jagoff. |
J3f3r20n Gh057
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
102
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Posted - 2013.09.11 23:11:00 -
[47] - Quote
Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:J3f3r20n Gh057 wrote:
* sigh* Kids....
Sooooo, if its not Dust vs PS2, they bring the same old story bout how Dust will fail if this, if that.
Just calm down, wait to ps4 and don't be such an 4ssh0le tying to troll. It's a shame to see ppl trying to be trol and failling at it.
Dust has already failed, I don't see how one could argue otherwise. This is why I suggest rebranding the game FF14 style.
So why you still here? Because i don't see reason in being here if it's a failed project. Just trying to be an 4ssh0le troll, like many kids of your age.
"Have an A-1 Day" |
Moejoe Omnipotent
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
622
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Posted - 2013.09.11 23:21:00 -
[48] - Quote
J3f3r20n Gh057 wrote:Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:J3f3r20n Gh057 wrote:
* sigh* Kids....
Sooooo, if its not Dust vs PS2, they bring the same old story bout how Dust will fail if this, if that.
Just calm down, wait to ps4 and don't be such an 4ssh0le tying to troll. It's a shame to see ppl trying to be trol and failling at it.
Dust has already failed, I don't see how one could argue otherwise. This is why I suggest rebranding the game FF14 style. So why you still here? Because i don't see reason in being here if it's a failed project. Just trying to be an 4ssh0le troll, like many kids of your age. "Have an A-1 Day"
I care because the more quality games available for me to play, the better.
The silly name-calling makes me wonder which one of us is the kid. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
8363
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Posted - 2013.09.11 23:23:00 -
[49] - Quote
Bendtner92 wrote:http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
Less than 4k online at peak and only decreasing.
Yes, I agree a fresh start on the PS4 would be the best option, but since a PS4 version hasn't been confirmed yet I would say we're looking at spring 2014 for a PS4 version at the earliest.
I'm sorry sir but you lost your graph reading rights. |
Boxoffire
Ninth Legion Freelance
Top Men.
129
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Posted - 2013.09.11 23:23:00 -
[50] - Quote
Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:Boxoffire wrote:Dude, the game isn't even technically finished. We don't even have all the basic dropsuits, weapons, modes, vehicles, equipment, and a bunch of other things that CCP had "planed for release".
You should judge the game from the fact that CCP have said these things, not because they out a sticker on it that says "released". Heck, if that were the case, Dust would have been a full release the day the Beta became open.
Just chill, they didn't even get done with the core mechanics. Just last build they finally added aim assist and improved the hit detection, two huge must have for any Console FPS. I still believe that the "core" game will come with the PS4.
Just hang in tight, be patient. If you're not patient, the. To play something else for a bit and check back later. There is no more hanging on and being patient. That all ended on the 14th of May.
You dot get it. That "official release" mans absolutely nothing. DUST is very much a Beta right now. They only they did that because "Lol, 5/14"
If you think that what we had now is it, you are sadly mistaken.
BTW CCP missed a great opportunity of May 2014 :P |
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Moejoe Omnipotent
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
622
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Posted - 2013.09.11 23:29:00 -
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Boxoffire wrote:Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:Boxoffire wrote:Dude, the game isn't even technically finished. We don't even have all the basic dropsuits, weapons, modes, vehicles, equipment, and a bunch of other things that CCP had "planed for release".
You should judge the game from the fact that CCP have said these things, not because they out a sticker on it that says "released". Heck, if that were the case, Dust would have been a full release the day the Beta became open.
Just chill, they didn't even get done with the core mechanics. Just last build they finally added aim assist and improved the hit detection, two huge must have for any Console FPS. I still believe that the "core" game will come with the PS4.
Just hang in tight, be patient. If you're not patient, the. To play something else for a bit and check back later. There is no more hanging on and being patient. That all ended on the 14th of May. You dot get it. That "official release" mans absolutely nothing. DUST is very much a Beta right now. They only they did that because "Lol, 5/14" If you think that what we had now is it, you are sadly mistaken. BTW CCP missed a great opportunity of May 2014 :P
There isn't even an argument here. Dust hasn't been a beta for about 4 months now and it's been in development for at least 4 years. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
8363
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Posted - 2013.09.11 23:30:00 -
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SponkSponkSponk wrote:Vin Mora wrote:And on what information is it that you assume 3000+ people playing a day is bad?
Do you have just as hard numbers for COD or Battlefield? If not, then SFTU and stop assuming that the 'low' player count is a bad thing.
I'm not saying it's bad, but it's about 15% of the number of people playing planetside, and there's probably about 50 times as many people playing COD right now.
http://steamcharts.com/app/218230#48h Hmm based on that... that means steam players are about 50%ish of the population... This changes my analytics of the game significantly. Ill have to do more comparison to the population chart that stopp recording some time back to see how wide of a split there is. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
8363
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Posted - 2013.09.11 23:36:00 -
[53] - Quote
Bethhy wrote:Michael Arck wrote:If the player base is gone then how is this game still being played? Ghosts?
But ok.
I'm having a great time with Dust. And I look forward to the future of Dust.
The truth is, I'm not the only one that feels this way.
I will continue supporting this project because I love their ambition and the idea of it all
It's damn good fun...sorry you don't have the same experience. After GTA 5 online drops most of one massive market is gonna drop off.. do i want this? no... but other then a match or two a day from a percentage of those people.... DUST has no reward anymore... the depth in gameplay feels lost... and installing current FPS fad skill gap limiters to fix issues they created in the first place kills the confidence that they even knew what they where doing in the first place.
Fun fact, Not who plays shooters enjoys free roam games (its not appropriate to call most of these free roams sandboxes yet) |
lrian Locust
DUST University
Ivy League
89
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Posted - 2013.09.11 23:48:00 -
[54] - Quote
Mejt0 wrote:And what? Ps4 coming and all games must vo from ps3 version to ps4? I dont think that ALL will buy ps4 at start. You're right. I won't. And we still have the NES, the Genesis, the C64...
It's about the game, not just the system. And as long as there's nothing like Dust out there, people will play it on whatever system they have. Of course the amount of PS3 players will decrease - that goes without saying - but I'd be happier playing Dust on a PS3 than COD on a PS4.
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J3f3r20n Gh057
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
102
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Posted - 2013.09.11 23:48:00 -
[55] - Quote
Boxoffire wrote:Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:Boxoffire wrote:Dude, the game isn't even technically finished. We don't even have all the basic dropsuits, weapons, modes, vehicles, equipment, and a bunch of other things that CCP had "planed for release".
You should judge the game from the fact that CCP have said these things, not because they out a sticker on it that says "released". Heck, if that were the case, Dust would have been a full release the day the Beta became open.
Just chill, they didn't even get done with the core mechanics. Just last build they finally added aim assist and improved the hit detection, two huge must have for any Console FPS. I still believe that the "core" game will come with the PS4.
Just hang in tight, be patient. If you're not patient, the. To play something else for a bit and check back later. There is no more hanging on and being patient. That all ended on the 14th of May. You dot get it. That "official release" mans absolutely nothing. DUST is very much a Beta right now. They only they did that because "Lol, 5/14" If you think that what we had now is it, you are sadly mistaken. BTW CCP missed a great opportunity of May 2014 :P
I stil don't get it. They missed for sure, but i think it was some sort of pressure by Sony to release it, so they did tht 5/14.. I remember when i get the closed beta key, Dust was so hyped by the press, and then Baaaam....Lower scores. It was strange.
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RydogV
Shadow Company HQ
311
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Posted - 2013.09.11 23:51:00 -
[56] - Quote
There is little doubt that the game has a chance to come into its own on the new console for various reasons. But you don't have to just pack it in until that time comes. Like if you just shout 'DO OVER' it is going to bring back all the Imperfe....I mean....impatient players who couldn't get the sand out of their crotch because the game was not MLG material right out of the gate.
Could the development have gone smoother? Yup. Did CCP make mistakes? Yup. Could another company have built a better shooter? Sure. But none were willing to take on this challenge. So f**k them and f**k those other games. Dust is persistent and free and isn't going anywhere. So people should have no issue going off and playing whatever game on whatever system until they are happy with Dust 514 somewhere down the road.
Until then, how 'bout you leave those of us who CAN enjoy the game and ARE patient enough to see the process though, to keep on keepin' on. When you're ready, Dust will still be here, and if it isn't then you can climb to the rooftops and shout "I TOLD YOU SO". But chances are, no one will hear you.
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Morathi III
Red Star.
EoN.
223
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Posted - 2013.09.11 23:53:00 -
[57] - Quote
I feel the better of the game comes on PS4, if they want to hit they have to make sure character dont go on PS4, they probably give an other name to the game and with the experience of dust im pretty sure they can make a nice product, for PS3 i still prefer Dust than other FPS by far, the diversity , the class the gun are cool, its hard to balance correctly too, still remain good combare to BF3 and COD where you get bored after a week of this 2 games |
Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
3584
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Posted - 2013.09.11 23:55:00 -
[58] - Quote
Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:J3f3r20n Gh057 wrote:Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:J3f3r20n Gh057 wrote:
* sigh* Kids....
Sooooo, if its not Dust vs PS2, they bring the same old story bout how Dust will fail if this, if that.
Just calm down, wait to ps4 and don't be such an 4ssh0le tying to troll. It's a shame to see ppl trying to be trol and failling at it.
Dust has already failed, I don't see how one could argue otherwise. This is why I suggest rebranding the game FF14 style. So why you still here? Because i don't see reason in being here if it's a failed project. Just trying to be an 4ssh0le troll, like many kids of your age. "Have an A-1 Day" I care because the more quality games available for me to play, the better. The silly name-calling makes me wonder which one of us is the kid.
The gangly teenager who thinks it's cool to post videos of himself playing DDR and talking about how amazing he is at everything he plays.
I'd define that as being "kid-like". |
Our Deepest Regret
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
177
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Posted - 2013.09.12 00:00:00 -
[59] - Quote
Bethhy wrote:
After GTA 5 online drops most of one massive market is gonna drop off.. do i want this? no... but other then a match or two a day from a percentage of those people....
DUST has no reward anymore... the depth in gameplay feels lost... and installing current FPS fad skill gap limiters to fix issues they created in the first place kills the confidence that they even knew what they where doing in the first place.
After GTA5 drops, the vets who've been obsessively playing forever will finally take a break and the rest of us will finally start catching up without living in imminent fear of a Pub stomping. |
Moejoe Omnipotent
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
629
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Posted - 2013.09.12 00:10:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:J3f3r20n Gh057 wrote:Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:J3f3r20n Gh057 wrote:
* sigh* Kids....
Sooooo, if its not Dust vs PS2, they bring the same old story bout how Dust will fail if this, if that.
Just calm down, wait to ps4 and don't be such an 4ssh0le tying to troll. It's a shame to see ppl trying to be trol and failling at it.
Dust has already failed, I don't see how one could argue otherwise. This is why I suggest rebranding the game FF14 style. So why you still here? Because i don't see reason in being here if it's a failed project. Just trying to be an 4ssh0le troll, like many kids of your age. "Have an A-1 Day" I care because the more quality games available for me to play, the better. The silly name-calling makes me wonder which one of us is the kid. The gangly teenager who thinks it's cool to post videos of himself playing DDR and talking about how amazing he is at everything he plays. I'd define that as being "kid-like".
Thank you for your valuable contribution to the topic Mr. Adult. You sure showed us who's the kid around here. |
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Rowdy Railgunner
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
EoN.
40
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Rei Shepard wrote:
The best part is that on PS3 there are no Hackers.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!! That is funny. Funny one makes this one laugh.
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Rowdy Railgunner
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
EoN.
40
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Posted - 2013.09.12 00:23:00 -
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Vin Mora wrote:SponkSponkSponk wrote: and there's probably about 50 times as many people playing COD right now. Again with the probably! Get hard numbers like you did above. You notice how a lot of games don't tell their player counts, because with most games it doesn't matter much. People complain because the game is stale to them, or any other countless reasons. But 3000+ people a night seems pretty good to me. I have a built a large network of associates and public channels on this character, and I hardly ever any of the people that I know. Matchmaking seems to working fine in that respect. Log into COD: BO2. 358,205 people online. Just on 360. How many are on PS3? How many are on PC? That is just BO2 as well. How many still play MW3 or BO? To compare DUST to COD is a fools game. COD smashes it.
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CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
275
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Posted - 2013.09.12 00:28:00 -
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Vin Mora wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
Less than 4k online at peak and only decreasing.
Yes, I agree a fresh start on the PS4 would be the best option, but since a PS4 version hasn't been confirmed yet I would say we're looking at spring 2014 for a PS4 version at the earliest. And on what information is it that you assume 3000+ people playing a day is bad? Do you have just as hard numbers for COD or Battlefield? If not, then SFTU and stop assuming that the 'low' player count is a bad thing.
Theres plenty of games that have less per day, but I would say the lastest few cod's on steam have anywhere from 5-30k players on a day depending on the title. Thats just going on steam numbers.
The dust playerbase is small but it will grow if ccp stop making **** ups! - The current matchmaker is dragging us through all of the same problems we had to go through before. For NO benifit.
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Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
3588
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Posted - 2013.09.12 00:28:00 -
[64] - Quote
Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:
Thank you for your valuable contribution to the topic Mr. Adult. You sure showed us who's the kid around here.
Taking the "high road" gets boring sometimes.
It's kinda fun to take a break and play dirty. |
RejectedUsername
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
34
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Monkey MAC wrote:Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's limited capabilities. It is far too late for this game to recover in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently. No, this game is persistent, restarting is now no longer an option, if the wanted to restart that should have been done in closed beta!! DUST will be available on both consoles for a time, when sony cut support for ps3 systems, we will potentially move over completly, they wont overhaul the base code to suit the ps4 until unreal 4 is released, u 4 willmhave the capability of optimizing the game for improved performance on the ps4. You need to either leave alone, or stick it out, you dont just shutdown andmhave another go, on a game like this!!
They do not have to restart it, they just have to up port this game to UE4. After that they just keep updating the game on the ps4 |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
1077
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Posted - 2013.09.12 00:57:00 -
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So putting it in a shiny new box will somehow fix it's problems? just wait a few years polish it and then port to PS4, CCP can keep it alive on PS3.
Hell take the time a put this on carbon for fucks sake make it REALLY good before putting it on PS4 make people **** their pants in 3 years rather than get a mediocre game in 1 year... |
Vell0cet
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
190
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Posted - 2013.09.12 01:29:00 -
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My tinfoil hat theory is that CCP signed a contract with Sony and were forced to release before it was ready. I suspect they're developing a PS4 version in tandem with the current version (which explains the delays in part). Their contract may forbid them from making any public statements to this effect. We're still in beta even if it's not officially labeled that way, and the core mechanics are getting to be pretty good. I think in another 6 months or so DUST will be looking ready to make a large push into the market on the PS4 (and/or the PC/Mac). |
Moejoe Omnipotent
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
630
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Posted - 2013.11.19 10:16:00 -
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So how have those player counts been coming along? |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
1307
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yah woo hoo another dust is dying thread, wow ..............after reading so many dust is dying threads over the past 16 months I always wonder how boring and pathetic the lives of the folks who have nothing better to do than come on to a forum of a game that they claim is , (insert generic insult ) and is dying . I mean come on if folks hate the game and think ist that bad and on the way down why oh why do they still come on hear and post away????????
do they have nothing better to do ?
do they actually have a life outside their mums basement?
do they eat any thing else other than cheeto flavoured paste ?
do they have strawberry flavoured windows in their home?
Are they allowed out doors without a crash helmet ?
these are the questions id like answerd.
Its gone from suck .....to blow
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Posted - 2013.11.19 10:34:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:So how have those player counts been coming along?
Better to ask that in January but 1million ps4 sold in the states alone. Ccp justification for not developing on the ps4 just got shot straight out of the water an epic fumble yet again proving they have no clue being on titanfall and destiny
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Posted - 2013.11.19 10:38:00 -
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Our numbers havent changed much since september overall.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.11.19 10:39:00 -
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If this game sucks on the PS3, it's going to suck on the PS4. Moving broken and imbalanced game mechanics to a next gen platform isn't going to magically fix everything just like 1.7 isn't going to magically fix the game either. It's been a year and they finally fixed hit detection... in a game that to this point, may have possibly been balanced around bad hit detection. It's going to be a while before Dust is even relevant in the FPS market let alone worth a footnote. Best thing to do is keep giving constructive feedback and hope they stop saying that an AR not having any kick when you use a modded controller is "mechanically intended."
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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hooc order
Deep Space Republic
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.11.19 10:46:00 -
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Hey guys. What is going on here? |
Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
805
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Posted - 2013.11.19 10:58:00 -
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ps4 would not magically improve dust but it will fix the ps3 limits. the rendering "issue" that some people complain about is done on purpose to suit the ps3 power cause it simply just cant render everything on map without killing the framerates.
Vyzion Eyri wrote:I hear EVE can run well on pretty low-cost/budget gaming computers.
yes it can but there isnt much to render in space beside ships, weaponry and drones. the game is also old and not very demanding. |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.11.19 11:06:00 -
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We should make a forum section just for repeat threads that way they aren't posted in general anymore.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's limited capabilities and that their vision will never materialize on old last-gen hardware. It is far too late for this game to recover in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently.
Focus from here until the PS4 version should be on fixing the game and fixing the brand. Once you've revived good press and have given Dust a second chance at life, then you can rake in the $$$.
I love the journey i've taken with my ps3 and your calling the thing out dated
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Aran Abbas
Goonfeet
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.11.19 11:20:00 -
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The truth is that Dust has arrested its decline in player numbers. It up only very slightly, but it's been enough to save the game from death for the moment.
The truth also is that for the majority of players Dust is little more than a lobby shooter with skill progression tacked on. Until that changes no-one should expect a significant increase in player numbers. |
Your Absolut End
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.19 13:07:00 -
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actually in my opinion you are right.
at least somewhat right OP.
ps4 and games like cod ghosts and bf4 will move players away from dust.
but dust was never meant to stay in direct competition with games like those.
for sure its an fps game and it should attract fps players. but in my eyes dust is more than that.
what really makes dust enjoyable for me is the meta game. the players you meet, the friends you find. never have i touched a game before which drained me so much into it and brought me in contact with so many cool guys.
I wont move to another game. dust deserves a chance, its on a good way and i like to see it improve. we dont have pressure behind this game. i think ccp earns enough with eve and already earned enough with dust to give it the time it needs to become what it deserves to be.
dust is not another generic fps game. its a service, its a universe, its a crazy movie which brings up all kinds of emotions in me from rage and anger to happiness and joy. dont fixate on what is wrong or broken, fixate on what is good and makes fun.
for sure there are other games out there, and nobody forces you to stay with dust, but you will regret leaving new eden one day.
I've seen so many games, some better ones, some worse ones.
i am happy to be part of the journey on which dust and we all are. I can't wait to see whats coming up next and I cant wait for the next fight with my fellow mercs, my brother and friends i found here.
call me stupid for sticking to this game, But i think with people leaving for ps4 and other games dust is not dieing, not at all. maybe the playerbase will go down a bit, but what stays are the people who believe in this game and want to see it improve. thats not bad at all for it gives ccp a more focused and cleaner feedback from the guys who are really interested in this game and not in their own advantage.
therefore it will help improvimg the game so once it finally reaches ps4, its gonna be the blast no one expected from "that dieing game"
but thats just my opinion. I enjoy playing dust since I started, and i dont see this changing in the future.
another one bites the Dust...
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.11.19 13:12:00 -
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Here we go again.
Another one of these doom threads. Let me file this in my cabinet under "Threads That I Have Seen for the Past 12 Months" section.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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NAV HIV
The Generals
EoN.
538
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Posted - 2013.11.19 13:27:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's limited capabilities and that their vision will never materialize on old last-gen hardware. It is far too late for this game to recover in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently.
Focus from here until the PS4 version should be on fixing the game and fixing the brand. Once you've revived good press and have given Dust a second chance at life, then you can rake in the $$$.
With PS4 i'm sure they can fix some or most of their issues. Graphics, hit detection, gameplay. Devs Please pick up a copy of BF4 and see how the Multiplayer works. They are bringing 32 vs 32 and we are still writing QQ threads about OP this and OP that. Let us beta test it on PS4. Let us transfer our characters to PS4. Dont worry about $$$ you will earn plenty. Just the get the game to work pls |
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Posted - 2013.11.19 14:24:00 -
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Your Absolut End wrote:actually in my opinion you are right.
at least somewhat right OP.
ps4 and games like cod ghosts and bf4 will move players away from dust.
but dust was never meant to stay in direct competition with games like those.
for sure its an fps game and it should attract fps players. but in my eyes dust is more than that.
what really makes dust enjoyable for me is the meta game. the players you meet, the friends you find. never have i touched a game before which drained me so much into it and brought me in contact with so many cool guys.
I wont move to another game. dust deserves a chance, its on a good way and i like to see it improve. we dont have pressure behind this game. i think ccp earns enough with eve and already earned enough with dust to give it the time it needs to become what it deserves to be.
dust is not another generic fps game. its a service, its a universe, its a crazy movie which brings up all kinds of emotions in me from rage and anger to happiness and joy. dont fixate on what is wrong or broken, fixate on what is good and makes fun.
for sure there are other games out there, and nobody forces you to stay with dust, but you will regret leaving new eden one day.
I've seen so many games, some better ones, some worse ones.
i am happy to be part of the journey on which dust and we all are. I can't wait to see whats coming up next and I cant wait for the next fight with my fellow mercs, my brother and friends i found here.
call me stupid for sticking to this game, But i think with people leaving for ps4 and other games dust is not dieing, not at all. maybe the playerbase will go down a bit, but what stays are the people who believe in this game and want to see it improve. thats not bad at all for it gives ccp a more focused and cleaner feedback from the guys who are really interested in this game and not in their own advantage.
therefore it will help improvimg the game so once it finally reaches ps4, its gonna be the blast no one expected from "that dieing game"
but thats just my opinion. I enjoy playing dust since I started, and i dont see this changing in the future.
EDIT:
and one important thing: dust is what you make out of it. it is boring? try something new and have some fun! **** your kdr and ego. this is a videogame! its designed for fun. the only thing which is different between dust and other games is that dust is no easy entertainment where you have blinking arrows all over your screen telling you what to do.
this is a sandbox. leave your trace and try to build a castle! see it bruning, go out and destroy other castles, its your decision, but you have to make the first move, and personally i think this is the point alot of frustrated players dont see.
Dust is what YOU make out of it.
This guy gets it. I was in GameStop yesterday trading my bricked PS4 for the replacement they shipped in and I ran into an old friend. We got to chatting and he was talking about Battlefield 4 and was surprised I was not planning to play it.
I explained that although I tried the Beta it just felt pretty much the same as BF3, and while that was a good game, it just wasn't enough for me anymore. I told him I had been playing Dust 514 for the last 18 months and he asked "Wow, is the game really that good?" And of course I told him "No, it kinda sucks." Everyone listening kinda laughed at that.
But I went on to explain that even though the game is far from perfect, I just can't stop playing. Though those of us who have been playing for a while may scoff at the 'risk and reward' promise and call it unfulfilled, but when you play a game like Battlefield, you really miss even the slightest sense of consequence. You die and it's like 'oh well, I'll just respawn'. Need a tank? Hey, one just magically appeared.
Dust is not the end-all-be-all of shooters. But it does have the potential to get close to the mark. Unfortunately for the attention deficit crowd, that vision will take years to realize. So play other games if you must...in fact play lots of them...but don't give up on Dust. Just give it time. It is the only thing you have to lose. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.11.19 14:40:00 -
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Your Absolut End wrote:actually in my opinion you are right.
at least somewhat right OP.
ps4 and games like cod ghosts and bf4 will move players away from dust.
but dust was never meant to stay in direct competition with games like those.
for sure its an fps game and it should attract fps players. but in my eyes dust is more than that.
what really makes dust enjoyable for me is the meta game. the players you meet, the friends you find. never have i touched a game before which drained me so much into it and brought me in contact with so many cool guys.
I wont move to another game. dust deserves a chance, its on a good way and i like to see it improve. we dont have pressure behind this game. i think ccp earns enough with eve and already earned enough with dust to give it the time it needs to become what it deserves to be.
dust is not another generic fps game. its a service, its a universe, its a crazy movie which brings up all kinds of emotions in me from rage and anger to happiness and joy. dont fixate on what is wrong or broken, fixate on what is good and makes fun.
for sure there are other games out there, and nobody forces you to stay with dust, but you will regret leaving new eden one day.
I've seen so many games, some better ones, some worse ones.
i am happy to be part of the journey on which dust and we all are. I can't wait to see whats coming up next and I cant wait for the next fight with my fellow mercs, my brother and friends i found here.
call me stupid for sticking to this game, But i think with people leaving for ps4 and other games dust is not dieing, not at all. maybe the playerbase will go down a bit, but what stays are the people who believe in this game and want to see it improve. thats not bad at all for it gives ccp a more focused and cleaner feedback from the guys who are really interested in this game and not in their own advantage.
therefore it will help improvimg the game so once it finally reaches ps4, its gonna be the blast no one expected from "that dieing game"
but thats just my opinion. I enjoy playing dust since I started, and i dont see this changing in the future.
EDIT:
and one important thing: dust is what you make out of it. it is boring? try something new and have some fun! **** your kdr and ego. this is a videogame! its designed for fun. the only thing which is different between dust and other games is that dust is no easy entertainment where you have blinking arrows all over your screen telling you what to do.
this is a sandbox. leave your trace and try to build a castle! see it bruning, go out and destroy other castles, its your decision, but you have to make the first move, and personally i think this is the point alot of frustrated players dont see.
Dust is what YOU make out of it.
I don't think I have ever encountered a game besides Dust that has given me so much rage, joy, and everything in between for such a long time. I played Call of Duty (several iterations of it actually), Battlefield, Ghost Recon, etc. and none of those games made me feel so angry and joyful compared to Dust.
Ok, it stands to reason that Dust currently sucks and gives me plenty of headaches. But I can't seem to let it go for some reason. Every time I play Halo every week with my friends, I get less and less joy and anger out of it. Every time I play Call of Duty Black Ops, I get even far less joy and anger. Dust on the other hand, despite the lack of content, lack of connection with Eve and lack of progress, has made me feel so much more alive compared to any game I have ever played because I get so angry and joyful when I play it. My emotions run so wild in this game. And I don't think I have ever seen a game make me curse so much like a drunk sailor at a bar.
Dust, despite our bitter relationship, I still love you.
By the way, if you want a more visual idea of how I feel...
Look at this first:
http://grim.snafu-comics.com/index.php?comic_id=28
Then this (which is the next page):
http://grim.snafu-comics.com/index.php?comic_id=29
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Moejoe Omnipotent
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Posted - 2013.11.21 00:19:00 -
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Player count has flat-lined because mostly Eve players are left.
Dust has failed to appeal to its target audience. I think a lot of you have completely forgotten or have completely ignored what CCP's intentions were and who they were targeting with Dust. It wasn't most of you guys.
MAG died young. Dust flopped hard.
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Vell0cet
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
576
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Posted - 2013.11.21 01:54:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:Player count has flat-lined because mostly Eve players are left.
Dust has failed to appeal to its target audience. I think a lot of you have completely forgotten or have completely ignored what CCP's intentions were and who they were targeting with Dust. It wasn't most of you guys.
That may be, but notice how the EVE elements are the only thing keeping this game going? If CCP removed all of the RPG, suit fitting, ISK vs. risk, and connections to EVE this game would be horrible. CCP can't compete with AAA shooters with insane budgets , code that goes years back and has been improved over many versions that have been vetted/tweaked/polished by years of play. That style of pick-up-and-play meaningless FPS gameplay is saturated and done better by studios who have been doing FPS games for a long time. I can guarantee the CoD team isn't spending their time working out basic hit-detection issues like CCP has been.
For DUST to succeed, it needs to embrace its strengths, cater to RPG fans as a "thinking man's shooter." I can't stand other FPS games myself. It's spawn, kill, die, respawn, etc ad nausium. You don't get the rush of playing with something to loose, or the thrill of taking down someone who was wearing an expensive fit, or a costly vehicle. You don't get the thrill of planning out how to maximize your ISK-efficiency in your cheap suits, or maximize your firepower/surviability/utility in your expensive fits. I actually think this game will draw in a huge following once the core is worked out, the missing content is in place, the matchmaker is fixed and we get a compelling NPE that let's new players see the potential and depth the game has to offer instead of running around cluelessly with ARs in starter fits.
Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
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KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
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Posted - 2013.11.21 02:32:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote: -- snip --
For DUST to succeed, it needs to embrace its strengths, cater to RPG fans as a "thinking man's shooter." I can't stand other FPS games myself. -- snip --
This is a double edged sword in DUST.
First the thinking part gets ganked by the Devs as they continually change the game every month. So you figured out a fit/weapons/gear/equipment/skills that are fun for you. Then the QQ Kittens whine about it and ... it no longer works because Wang had sent out the Ninja Nerf Hammer of Doom on your particular favorite.
Now, you cannot respec your Skills and they will lay fallow while resentment builds because your fun has been reduced. That is how CCP works from what I understand of EVE, a game I actively hate. A spreadsheet for the sake of the gods.
As far as the generic FPSs I couldn't agree more. The reason they work for the masses is there is an underlying premise that anyone can play. That is false because playing enough to memorize the maps, get the best gear and have the options to sic dogs on your opponents will always overpower lesser foes. The standard FPS is built on disparity while being sold on equality. A fun situation, if you are in their marketing team. For new players, not so much.
The game brought me in because of its pitch. An MMO/RPG/FPS based in the same universe as EVE. New Eden awaits your immortal self to fight for ISK.
Which is great until the MMO part is boring, glitched and indeed it is tied to the legion of gankers in EVE. The RPG section is boring and capricious. Refunds are verboten until CCP/Shanghai screws the pooch so badly they have no other choice (see 1.7 and the original broken Skill tree for vehicles in early Uprising).
The FPS is mostly a generic shooter, with some major issues. Most of the players assume there is matchmaking and they are tragically wrong. I have Proto and Officer weapons and will use them when the situation and map warrant them. As in, high reward, little risk. Yet others get incensed when facing such weapons in pub matches, even FW gets grumpy responses. Yet there is now way to set up a match where they are allowed or barred.
Personally it would appear that CCP/Shanghai didn't really know what the terms MMO, RPG and FPS actually meant when they started the game. The Beta has moved forward in impressive ways. The future was positive and we players were as well. However, since Uprising DUST has been a tired series of mistakes, misunderstandings and missed goals. Resulting in a game that only rewards the grinding for SP.
And complaining on the forums. 
I am still here but all too often the game really does suck. |
Moejoe Omnipotent
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Posted - 2014.02.06 00:51:00 -
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Bump. |
Teilka Darkmist
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Posted - 2014.02.06 00:57:00 -
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No thank you. I have no intention of getting any of the newer generation of consoles untill they've drastically reduced in price. I only got a PS3 because Dust was announced to be PS3 exclusive and I wanted to play it.
When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
5
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:03:00 -
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>Devs abandon ship on the ps3 to convert to ps4
>oh wait guys, planetside 2 is also f2p on the ps4
>ps2 puts the dismembered head of dust 514 on its mantle
>WoW, "Oh hey you got one of those too ps2? Man iv'e got a basement full of those."
This game needs a lot of work before it can compete with ps2 which it will drive itself to direct competition with the same formula on ps4. |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:14:00 -
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This game and PS2 have a lot in common but are also way different. For a LOT of people, the smaller, defined battles are a driving force. Blob on Blob combat that PS2 offers isnt the end all be all...
its cool.
But theres plenty of room for both. |
TYCHUS MAXWELL
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
5
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:20:00 -
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When we get real integration with Eve, player markets, and pve, I'll agree with you. But until then running a beta product in direct competition with a finished product on consoles is a bad idea. CCPs biggest issue is that they don't understand the difference between the console market and the pc market. PC games can spend years of development like Eve to establish itself. Consoles evolve far too quickly to do this. As eve as an example, can you imagine many people playing eve right now if it were on the play station 2? |
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Baal Roo
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:31:00 -
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On one hand, I don't want to see Dust 514 move to PS4 simply because I have zero interest in owning a PS4, so if and when that happens I might as well biomass my toon.
On the other hand, aside from following the mass gamer migration back over to PC and "competing" with their other products (most companies don't seem to have a problem with this), moving to the PS4 is the second best and most obvious next step for CCP. The long term limitations of developing a game like this on a console will still be present, but at least they would likely be able to realize some of the most basic aspects of the gameplay that they originally intended (like 32vs32 and randomized "socket based" map design) by having at least some midgrade hardware to run the thing on. |
Moejoe Omnipotent
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Posted - 2014.02.06 05:32:00 -
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Burp. |
Auris Lionesse
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Renegade Alliance
159
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Posted - 2014.02.06 05:36:00 -
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agreed, 80 million people are not playing this game on the ps3.
move to the system that can help this game play as intended and where there is less competition. |
Shion Typhon
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
380
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Michael Arck wrote:It's clear that if you were so good at these ideas that you would somehow be involved within the gaming industry. Since you're not, please be quiet. You don't know what the hell you're talking about.
This may very well be the single dumbest paragraph on the internetz.
No wait ... I found a better one:
"People say, how can I help on this war against terror? How can I fight evil? You can do so by mentoring a child; by going into a shut-in's house and say I love you." George W Bush --Washington, D.C., Sept. 19, 2002 |
Izlare Lenix
FREE AGENTS LP
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Posted - 2014.02.06 06:10:00 -
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I don't understand why so many people want to compare Dust player counts to other shooters like BF and COD. those games are short-shelf life easy mode, made for the masses shooters flooded with scrubs and pre-teens.
Dust is a complicated, longevity game that is NOT for everyone like those other games are. Most COD/BF players want instant gratification and zero risk games and they would never enjoy the brutal harsh play style of Dust. So comparing the numbers is stupid.
That's like saying EVE sucks because it only has 500k subscribers and WOW has 10 million. They are not even remotely close games so comparing them make no sense.
For years players said eve was dying and they were wrong. Dust is not going to die either.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.02.06 06:10:00 -
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Shion Typhon wrote:Michael Arck wrote:It's clear that if you were so good at these ideas that you would somehow be involved within the gaming industry. Since you're not, please be quiet. You don't know what the hell you're talking about. This may very well be the single dumbest paragraph on the internetz. No wait ... I found a better one: "People say, how can I help on this war against terror? How can I fight evil? You can do so by mentoring a child; by going into a shut-in's house and say I love you." George W Bush --Washington, D.C., Sept. 19, 2002
Definitely the most random segue of all time.
Anyway, moving to the PS4 soon would be stupid. The game isn't nearly finished. They should absolutely have a couple coders chained in a basement somewhere making the PS4 engine but that's it. Otherwise, the smart thing for them to do is basically have the PS3 version be a endless beta for the PS4.
Once it's in a good place here, then take the engine you made and put in all the individual elements like the full lines of racial weapons/suits/vehicles. Add one killer new feature like the bombers or MAVs or something as a new hook, bang, big splashy PS4 reboot. New advertising, new reviews, etc, etc.
Move it to the PS4 now and you get another failed launch and you take a very real chance of dooming this game for good. You simply CANNOT squander the opportunity a PS4 release has to change the course of this games destiny with anything less than a finished and polished product. To move to a new platform with anything less would be incredibly shortsighted.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
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Amarr victor!
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Moejoe Omnipotent
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Posted - 2014.03.01 02:07:00 -
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It would be truly mind boggling if nothing PS4 related is mentioned at fanfest. |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.03.01 02:14:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:It would truly be mind boggling if nothing PS4 related is mentioned at fanfest.
My understanding is it will be mentioned at E3.
But again your premise is flawed. You say yourself the out of gate reception hurt the game. What exactly happens if they port the game in its current state to PS4? The same damn thing! It will be 2 strikes and you're out. Your impatience is dangerous.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
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Moejoe Omnipotent
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Posted - 2014.03.01 02:25:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:It would truly be mind boggling if nothing PS4 related is mentioned at fanfest. My understanding is it will be mentioned at E3. But again your premise is flawed. You say yourself the out of gate reception hurt the game. What exactly happens if they port the game in its current state to PS4? The same damn thing! It will be 2 strikes and you're out. Your impatience is dangerous.
That's why I suggested they start over and rebrand the game, like what SE did with FF14. |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
3060
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Posted - 2014.03.01 02:30:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's limited capabilities. It is far too late for this game to recover in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently. No, this game is persistent, restarting is now no longer an option, if the wanted to restart that should have been done in closed beta!! DUST will be available on both consoles for a time, when sony cut support for ps3 systems, we will potentially move over completly, they wont overhaul the base code to suit the ps4 until unreal 4 is released, u 4 willmhave the capability of optimizing the game for improved performance on the ps4. You need to either leave alone, or stick it out, you dont just shutdown andmhave another go, on a game like this!!
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.01 04:03:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:Player count has flat-lined because mostly Eve players are left.
Dust has failed to appeal to its target audience. I think a lot of you have completely forgotten or have completely ignored what CCP's intentions were and who they were targeting with Dust. It wasn't most of you guys. That may be, but notice how the EVE elements are the only thing keeping this game going? If CCP removed all of the RPG, suit fitting, ISK vs. risk, and connections to EVE this game would be horrible. CCP can't compete with AAA shooters with insane budgets , code that goes years back and has been improved over many versions that have been vetted/tweaked/polished by years of play. That style of pick-up-and-play meaningless FPS gameplay is saturated and done better by studios who have been doing FPS games for a long time. I can guarantee the CoD team isn't spending their time working out basic hit-detection issues like CCP has been. For DUST to succeed, it needs to embrace its strengths, cater to RPG fans as a "thinking man's shooter." I can't stand other FPS games myself. It's spawn, kill, die, respawn, etc ad nausium. You don't get the rush of playing with something to loose, or the thrill of taking down someone who was wearing an expensive fit, or a costly vehicle. You don't get the thrill of planning out how to maximize your ISK-efficiency in your cheap suits, or maximize your firepower/surviability/utility in your expensive fits. I actually think this game will draw in a huge following once the core is worked out, the missing content is in place, the matchmaker is fixed and we get a compelling NPE that let's new players see the potential and depth the game has to offer instead of running around cluelessly with ARs in starter fits.
The target market for DUST is the legions of console FPS players.
The peeps currently sticking with DUST tends to be the pre-invested EVE crowd.
There's no dichotomy here, in the end DUST will have failed if it doesn't serve both markets, and serve them well. For the FPSer downloading the free shooter DUST has to be a decent free shooter - this is why we would be fools to ignore the core FPS aspects of the game. For the EVE-inspired players DUST has to be intimately connected to EVE so that New Eden can become the dynamic player-driven story that drives the high end gameplay in DUST.
And in between we need non-arbitrary gameplay and systems that are functionally embedded in New Eden and support the evolution of FPS players into fully-invested citizens of New Eden.
It's not either/or it's both, and since the pump that feeds the DUST engine is retaining new FPS players, the only sensible way to build the game, the only way that will work, is from the core FPS priorities up. EVE players cannot save this game, only console FPSers can give us what we need.
Imo if we want those players to buy into the frustration, grind and hard knocks(not talking about the state of DUST, talking about life in a brutal virtual universe) that are part and parcel of life in New Eden, we have to give them a quality experience, and that means a quality FPS experience. That doesn't mean we need to be like every other FPS out there, but it does mean that DUST pubs have to deliver good gameplay, feature good controls, and be grounded in good FPS fundamentals.
There is no other way.
I support SP rollover.
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Chesyre Armundsen
Thanes Of Dust
447
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Posted - 2014.03.01 04:23:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
Less than 4k online at peak and only decreasing.
Yes, I agree a fresh start on the PS4 would be the best option, but since a PS4 version hasn't been confirmed yet I would say we're looking at spring 2014 for a PS4 version at the earliest.
Actually, if you look at the general trend for the last year there has been a fairly constant player base with a marginal increase in new character creation following the major drop after release.
Since September the "newborn player" data has shown a trend of marginal growth. In the same time frame the lowest recorded number of players online has also increased, and that's not peak numbers. At the time of this posting aprox. 11% of the DUST player count is new.
While I'm sure some of this data includes alts, the numbers still show a growth of the player base. Slow but consistent.
Mihi gravato Deus - "Let God lay the burden on me!"
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Chesyre Armundsen
Thanes Of Dust
447
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Posted - 2014.03.01 05:33:00 -
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Alrighty, it's time to look at numbers:
PlanetSide 2 - Steam Charts
Lost approx. 33% of their peak player base between November 2012 - Present. (current peak approx. 10, 000 players)
Call of Duty: Ghosts (Multiplayer) - Steam Charts
Lost approx. 74% of peak player base between November 2013 - Present (current peak approx. 9,500 players)
Battlefield 4 Stats
(Current online player count) PC: 30,439 PS3: 36,530 XBOX360: 35,094 XBOXONE: 29,44 PS4: 49,365
This is what I could dig up. In my opinion the health of DUST seems to be alright, and even better when you look at the long term data for EVE
EVE-Offline
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Michael Pack
Metalites
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Posted - 2014.03.01 06:40:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's limited capabilities and that their vision will never materialize on old last-gen hardware. It is far too late for this game to recover in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently.
Focus from here until the PS4 release should be on fixing the game and fixing the brand. Once you've revived good press and have given Dust a second chance at life, then you can rake in the $$$. I never read a comment like that before... No really. What do you think would change on the PS4? I can tell you what: Nothing. Development would still be slow, it would still be the same team. You can't expect them to just "start over" and suddenly everything we were waiting for for months now would be there. That's not how it works. Oh well: We would have less players because not many people will buy the PS4 directly on launch. Many people will wait until the PS4-Slim is released. PS3 is an established console on the other hand. No reason to release Dust 514 on PS4 before the PS4-Slim is released.
That's not entirely true, the hardware on the ps4 is easier to develop for than the hardware on the ps3. The reason is the APU design, the unified memory, and the 64-bit processor which would allow for bigger patches monthly, at least in theory . the reason I say in theory is they test patches before release and depending on how many people they have to test these patches could cause problems especial if they have to do it for both ps3 and ps4! |
Michael Pack
Metalites
6
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Posted - 2014.03.01 06:43:00 -
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I personally just want pve so I can mine in a mech! Titanfall will have nothing on dust!!!! |
Vell0cet
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1001
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Posted - 2014.03.01 07:46:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:Vell0cet wrote:Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:Player count has flat-lined because mostly Eve players are left.
Dust has failed to appeal to its target audience. I think a lot of you have completely forgotten or have completely ignored what CCP's intentions were and who they were targeting with Dust. It wasn't most of you guys. That may be, but notice how the EVE elements are the only thing keeping this game going? If CCP removed all of the RPG, suit fitting, ISK vs. risk, and connections to EVE this game would be horrible. CCP can't compete with AAA shooters with insane budgets , code that goes years back and has been improved over many versions that have been vetted/tweaked/polished by years of play. That style of pick-up-and-play meaningless FPS gameplay is saturated and done better by studios who have been doing FPS games for a long time. I can guarantee the CoD team isn't spending their time working out basic hit-detection issues like CCP has been. For DUST to succeed, it needs to embrace its strengths, cater to RPG fans as a "thinking man's shooter." I can't stand other FPS games myself. It's spawn, kill, die, respawn, etc ad nausium. You don't get the rush of playing with something to loose, or the thrill of taking down someone who was wearing an expensive fit, or a costly vehicle. You don't get the thrill of planning out how to maximize your ISK-efficiency in your cheap suits, or maximize your firepower/surviability/utility in your expensive fits. I actually think this game will draw in a huge following once the core is worked out, the missing content is in place, the matchmaker is fixed and we get a compelling NPE that let's new players see the potential and depth the game has to offer instead of running around cluelessly with ARs in starter fits. The target market for DUST is the legions of console FPS players. The peeps currently sticking with DUST tends to be the pre-invested EVE crowd. There's no dichotomy here, in the end DUST will have failed if it doesn't serve both markets, and serve them well. For the FPSer downloading the free shooter DUST has to be a decent free shooter - this is why we would be fools to ignore the core FPS aspects of the game. For the EVE-inspired players DUST has to be intimately connected to EVE so that New Eden can become the dynamic player-driven story that drives the high end gameplay in DUST. And in between we need non-arbitrary gameplay and systems that are functionally embedded in New Eden and support the evolution of FPS players into fully-invested citizens of New Eden. It's not either/or it's both, and since the pump that feeds the DUST engine is retaining new FPS players, the only sensible way to build the game, the only way that will work, is from the core FPS priorities up. EVE players cannot save this game, only console FPSers can give us what we need. Imo if we want those players to buy into the frustration, grind and hard knocks(not talking about the state of DUST, talking about life in a brutal virtual universe) that are part and parcel of life in New Eden, we have to give them a quality experience, and that means a quality FPS experience. That doesn't mean we need to be like every other FPS out there, but it does mean that DUST pubs have to deliver good gameplay, feature good controls, and be grounded in good FPS fundamentals. There is no other way.
Well said. I do think you're misunderstanding my post though. I'm not advocating abandoning the refinement of the FPS gameplay. I think finishing the core content, getting the game engine into a polished state, and making an awesome NPE is just as important as PC 2.0 and linking the EVE-DUST economies. My point is that a small team who have never built an FPS before with a budget a fraction of the size of the major publishers can't beat games like BF or COD on FPS at their own game in a head-to-head fight. In other words, if CCP cloned COD's gameplay and use DUST weapons and suits/vehicles/skins with none of the RPG elements it would be an abomination, and a huge market failure.
DUST will succeed because it fills a niche in gaming that isn't being addressed by anyone else. Namely, players who like RPGs but find most shooters too shallow and quickly tire of them. It's somewhat analogous to Skyrim being an RPG that appealed to players who find most RPGs too slow paced/cerebral. Both games are a hybrid experience between visceral combat and depth.
I don't think DUST will be a failure if very casual FPS fans are turned away by the RPG elements. If they can make a solid FPS experience (and CCP is making headway) and continue to add depth to the game (deeper skill trees, ewar, capacitors, interactions with EVE) then there should be a very sustainable playerbase wanting to play such a game, even if the casuals run for the door.
Best PvE idea ever!
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Moejoe Omnipotent
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
692
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Posted - 2014.03.03 02:38:00 -
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CCP should treat Dust 514 on the PS3 as an experiment, a taste of what it takes to develop a competent FPS on a console, training for the real thing. The rebranded game on PS4 will be the one that offers the full experience. |
Chesyre Armundsen
Thanes Of Dust
449
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Posted - 2014.03.03 05:21:00 -
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There doesn't need to be any rebranding.
With continuous development and improvement there doesn't have to be a re-release of the same game with a new name or design. If you want to improve the public opinion of DUST you continue development on the current platform before broadening release to another (PS4) and run both. When the game becomes stable and begetting of a stronger review the press is shown the new build.
A game in flux like DUST will never hold a single static score on game review sites, so it's impossible to say that it'll be dead before it can have a second chance. Every patch, every day is another chance at improving our little corner of New Eden.
Mihi gravato Deus - "Let God lay the burden on me!"
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
General Tso's Alliance
2527
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Posted - 2014.03.03 05:50:00 -
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Dust's playerbase will only increase if brought to the PS4. It should definitely be finished and polished before then. People who tried dust out on the ps3 and hated it will try it again on the ps4 and that will probably be its last chance to grasp the public's attention
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Moejoe Omnipotent
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
696
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Posted - 2014.03.07 05:45:00 -
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Breaking through the EVE community groupthink is a challenge. |
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Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
809
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Posted - 2014.03.07 05:56:00 -
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So then all the SP and money we have spent on the PS3 version would go to waste? They would need some way to port our characters to the PS4 version.
Best PVE idea I've seen.
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Moejoe Omnipotent
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
701
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Posted - 2014.04.24 23:07:00 -
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Anything less than the announcement of the PS4 remake at fanfest would be an insult. |
Youmadbroyolo
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2014.04.24 23:20:00 -
[113] - Quote
Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's weak hardware and that their vision will never materialize on an old last-gen console. It is too late for this game to recover on PS3 in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available with next-gen hardware to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently.
Focus from here until the PS4 version should be on fixing the game and fixing the brand. Once you've revived good press and have given Dust a second chance at life, then you can rake in the $$$.
Treat the PS3 version as an experiment and learning experience for the real deal.
No mojoe Dusts next step is to die, No lessons will be learned and nothing will be gained. The developers will all be fired in a year and CCP will admit it had no idea what it was doing. or they will string the game along at the most snail of pace inorder to make it seem like they are not abandoning it while really they will have abandoned it completely. |
VicBoss
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
441
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Posted - 2014.04.25 00:18:00 -
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put in game fixes and test stuff on ps3, screw Unreal 4, go straight back to the old carbon engine that was too powerful for ps3 and put it on the ps4. Saying the words "carbon engine" would reignite hype IF the game mechanics worked.....
> "It aint no petting zoo out there! Peeps be getting deep sixed!"
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
2506
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Posted - 2014.04.25 00:36:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
Less than 4k online at peak and only decreasing.
Yes, I agree a fresh start on the PS4 would be the best option, but since a PS4 version hasn't been confirmed yet I would say we're looking at spring 2014 for a PS4 version at the earliest.
If you look at the past year the graph shows that there are more people playing and it is slowly rising since about October.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
2506
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Posted - 2014.04.25 00:37:00 -
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Again, what makes you think they can do better on PS4?
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1618
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Posted - 2014.04.25 00:39:00 -
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7 MILLION PS4 sold and soon to be 8 million PS4 means theres a lot of growing playerbase in PS4 and decreasing interest in the PS3.
Hey CCP get a PS4 client
Planetside 2 in June on PS4
Dust Deserters Alliance
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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1618
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Posted - 2014.04.25 00:46:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Again, what makes you think they can do better on PS4?
DUH!!
Slower blu ray
Less ram
Slower bus
Slower transfer speeds
Slower CPU
Slower GPU
Slower RAM
A complicated PS3 system limited to 512 megabytes.
A simple system that has 8000 megabytes to develop on.
Faster ram
Faster bus
Faster transfer speeds
Faster CPU
Faster GPU
Faster blu ray
More RAM
Faster framerates, no worry about memory leaks, no worries about no ram for sounds or game effects.
Not haveing to slow down development due to load balancing equals faster game development.
Go and google what load balancing means to game development.
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Hey CCP get a PS4 client
Planetside 2 in June on PS4
Dust Deserters Alliance
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Gaelon Thrace
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
144
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Posted - 2014.04.25 00:49:00 -
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VicBoss wrote:put in game fixes and test stuff on ps3, screw Unreal 4, go straight back to the old carbon engine that was too powerful for ps3 and put it on the ps4. Saying the words "carbon engine" would reignite hype IF the game mechanics worked.....
I imagine this would also make it easier to integrate with EVE. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.04.25 00:51:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
Less than 4k online at peak and only decreasing.
Yes, I agree a fresh start on the PS4 would be the best option, but since a PS4 version hasn't been confirmed yet I would say we're looking at spring 2014 for a PS4 version at the earliest. If you look at the past year the graph shows that there are more people playing and it is slowly rising since about October.
NO!!
It means CCP is doing monthly bonus SP events since then in an effort to avoid the death of Dust 514.
A better question is what happens when folks reach 30 million SP?
Response is they get bored of Dust since bonus sp is no longer an atraction.
Oh and vets like me move on to primarily a PS4 instead of dust ho hum ambush and skirmish burn out.
Hey CCP get a PS4 client
Planetside 2 in June on PS4
Dust Deserters Alliance
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Selinate deux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
139
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Posted - 2014.04.25 00:52:00 -
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Chesyre Armundsen wrote:Alrighty, it's time to look at numbers: PlanetSide 2 - Steam Charts Lost approx. 33% of their peak player base between November 2012 - Present. (current peak approx. 10, 000 players)
Call of Duty: Ghosts (Multiplayer) - Steam Charts Lost approx. 74% of peak player base between November 2013 - Present (current peak approx. 9,500 players)
Battlefield 4 Stats (Current online player count) PC: 30,439 PS3: 36,530 XBOX360: 35,094 XBOXONE: 29,44 PS4: 49,365
This is what I could dig up. In my opinion the health of DUST seems to be alright, and even better when you look at the long term data for EVE EVE-Offline
Don't mix 2 pools of data and expect to come out with a strong argument for one or the other... |
Duran Lex
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
793
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Posted - 2014.04.25 01:07:00 -
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Who the **** revived this dead horse to suffer more beatings?
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thesupertman
Better Hide R Die
310
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Posted - 2014.04.25 01:29:00 -
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No, don't ditch te ps3 community, it is sill bigger than the ps4 one.
The new commandos should have a better paint job. Look at the Amarr one!
Please bring back the Warbage!
MTACs?
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
2691
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Posted - 2014.04.25 01:32:00 -
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Unnecessary necro thread detected.
PS4 doesn't program itself or know how to auto-balance weapons and dropsuits. No point in moving until things are "fixed". You can polish the turd all you want with better framerates but if the bugs are still here nobody cares.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Forum Warrior lv.2
Amarr victor!
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Goat of Dover
DROID EXILES
General Tso's Alliance
198
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Posted - 2014.04.25 02:08:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's weak hardware and that their vision will never materialize on an old last-gen console. It is too late for this game to recover on PS3 in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available with next-gen hardware to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently.
Focus from here until the PS4 version should be on fixing the game and fixing the brand. Once you've revived good press and have given Dust a second chance at life, then you can rake in the $$$.
Treat the PS3 version as an experiment and learning experience for the real deal.
I have to say that your idea does sound tempting and it always does when faced with this kinda situation. The only thing is the history has shown that it tends to turn out bad for someone who uses this tactic especially if they are in the same situation as CCP.
Take Sega for instance they kept releasing something and stating that it was top of the line and their future. Only to say that it wasn't a year later. This lead to a sever down fall of respect and trust that the populous and the market had for them. Leading up to the fail of the extremely well made and amazing system that was the Dreamcast.
CCP is already in a pretty big hole with most of the media when it comes to Dust514 this game is seen as a failure to most even those who play it feel it is that way the just like it to much to stop. So to shut down a game in production on the system that they said they were going to stay with to move on to a next is in turn taking the same road that Sega did before and could potentially have a more negative out come than just sticking out the life of the PS3 and moving on when it is time.
A few other points to make are that I don't think the PS4 is going to last a decade or anywhere near it given its hardware and scheduled API. This means that jumping ship to the PS4 may actually only cost more money in the long run due the large chance of another gen being released before they are actually able to make money off of that systems Dust514.
Then again you never know and we could all be wrong and CCP could do something past what any of us are even thinking.
P.S. I am not good at grammar or writing so if you are going to troll me over grammatical error or bad typing just move along. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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thesupertman wrote:No, don't ditch te ps3 community, it is sill bigger than the ps4 one.
too late since hopefully I manage to ditch the PS3 community this Friday
time for Playstation Four games
Hey CCP get a PS4 client
Planetside 2 in June on PS4
Dust Deserters Alliance
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Rusty Shallows
1651
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Posted - 2014.04.25 04:27:00 -
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He's also farming your post for Likes.
Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting.
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
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TechMechMeds
SWAMPERIUM
3118
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Posted - 2014.04.25 04:29:00 -
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Agreed but ff a realm reborn was an awful pve heroes wet dream and newbish as hell, I was disgusted but the art work was superb.
If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you.
The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
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Jake Diesel
BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
158
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Posted - 2014.04.25 05:02:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's limited capabilities and that their vision will never materialize on old last-gen hardware. It is far too late for this game to recover in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently.
Focus from here until the PS4 release should be on fixing the game and fixing the brand. Once you've revived good press and have given Dust a second chance at life, then you can rake in the $$$. This is one of the rare times I'm going to agree. Dust514 will do far better on the ps4 and I belive both version can run sideby side but once the ps4 has settled in Dust514 should make its home their.
CCP has to merge over to PS4 sooner than later. With games like The Division and Destiny looming at the horizon, CCP will have a hard time pulling players to DUST if they transition way too late. They need to start transitioning soon and have both PS3 and PS4 DUST up and running side by side until DUST is complete.
DUST will not last 10 years on PS3 alone.
Unreal Engine would run great on PS4. |
JIMvc2
UNREAL WARRIORS
100
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Posted - 2014.04.25 05:10:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's weak hardware and that their vision will never materialize on an old last-gen console. It is too late for this game to recover on PS3 in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available with next-gen hardware to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently.
Focus from here until the PS4 version should be on fixing the game and fixing the brand. Once you've revived good press and have given Dust a second chance at life, then you can rake in the $$$.
Treat the PS3 version as an experiment and learning experience for the real deal.
You mean Current Gen. PS4 and xbox are released so its Current Not Next gen. Next gen is the future but today is present. Its sad how people dont know the diffedence between Current Gen and Next Gen.
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JIMvc2
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Jake Diesel wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's limited capabilities and that their vision will never materialize on old last-gen hardware. It is far too late for this game to recover in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently.
Focus from here until the PS4 release should be on fixing the game and fixing the brand. Once you've revived good press and have given Dust a second chance at life, then you can rake in the $$$. This is one of the rare times I'm going to agree. Dust514 will do far better on the ps4 and I belive both version can run sideby side but once the ps4 has settled in Dust514 should make its home their. CCP has to merge over to PS4 sooner than later. With games like The Division and Destiny looming at the horizon, CCP will have a hard time pulling players to DUST if they transition way too late. They need to start transitioning soon and have both PS3 and PS4 DUST up and running side by side until DUST is complete. DUST will not last 10 years on PS3 alone. Unreal Engine would run great on PS4.
Just because PS4 is released doesnt mean Move to PS4 and leave PS3. Use some commen sense.
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keno trader
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Honestly, DUST seems terribly lost at this point. At most give it another year on PS3 if it doesn't make the jump. By then, developers will start dropping ps3 releases totally.
1.8 --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes.
1.8 --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
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Bendtner92 wrote:http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
Less than 4k online at peak and only decreasing.
Yes, I agree a fresh start on the PS4 would be the best option, but since a PS4 version hasn't been confirmed yet I would say we're looking at spring 2014 for a PS4 version at the earliest.
You must be a fool. You think PS4 will make it better ? Ps4 has Killzone, PS2, infamous. Arent you happy what the ps4 has right now.
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JIMvc2
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:thesupertman wrote:No, don't ditch te ps3 community, it is sill bigger than the ps4 one. too late since hopefully I manage to ditch the PS3 community this Friday time for Playstation Four games
Good for you. 75 million PS3 >>>>> 7 million ps4 = LMAO.
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keno trader
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Posted - 2014.04.25 06:41:00 -
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It's inevitable. I'm not rushing CCP or anything, but they gotta get a move on the transition.
1.8 --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes.
1.8 --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
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True me and my ceo are ditching dust for Planetside 2 on Ps4 when hits psn, till dust moves to Ps4 but Planetside 2 will get most my play time either way, 2000 players over 100 square miles epic, no pay to win unlike dust cheap ass, outfits simular to dust514 corporations. Ps2onps4 will fatality dust if dust doesn't improve or move to ps4  |
Mobius Wyvern
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How the hell is this thread still alive? I thought they locked threads this old.
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:How the hell is this thread still alive? I thought they locked threads this old.
Because the OP swings by to ressurrect it once every month or so. Lol
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Mojo XXXIII wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:How the hell is this thread still alive? I thought they locked threads this old. Because the OP swings by to ressurrect it once every month or so. Lol Dude's like a seagull, he flies in, craps all over the place, and then flies away!
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Deamonwrath21 DeathReign wrote:True me and my ceo are ditching dust for Planetside 2 on Ps4 when hits psn, till dust moves to Ps4 but Planetside 2 will get most my play time either way, 2000 players over 100 square miles epic, no pay to win unlike dust cheap ass, outfits simular to dust514 corporations. Ps2onps4 will fatality dust if dust doesn't improve or move to ps4
Planet n00b 2. Sony should ditch that. PS4 needs MAG.
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Atikali Havendoorr
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What about the fact that online play costs money on the PS4?
I think that a PS4 version wont see the surface until next year. CCP actually said it themselves, and it makes perfect sense. In 2015 installed user base will be high enough for Dust, and CCP will have enough time to make a PS4 client.
This whole Dust project was balanced on a very small line of shared resources. They didn't have the ability to start a whole new team using completely different technology (game engine) to keep both games up on a high quality level.
So, they relied on their own Carbon engine, thus (drastically? my speculation) reducing the need for hiring personnel and build, maintain and develop competence for two platforms.
When they finally realized that the Carbon engine couldn't run a game like this on the PS3, everything broke.
Switching game engine meant they lost over a year of development time, missing their scheduled 2012 release and breaking the whole concept of shared resources, which meant restrained integration with Eve online, both in terms of difficulties technically implanting upgrades and changes to both games in tandem, and having separated development teams which cannot lend a hand to each other if needed.
The UE team don't know about Carbon, since it's CCP proprietary engine, and the Carbon team don't know about anything else.
This is why Dust still sucks and isn't finished. They can't keep two full teams, which would be required to keep both games top notch, so they focus on EveO, which is their foundation after all, and do what they can with Dust with what is left.
They are slowly catching up of course, but they are still far from the target, and have settled for a vastly different level of gaming experience for now.
I heard that Dust actually is just above break even in terms of investment. If the number are correct, they naturally wouldn't waste a lot more recourses in an attempt to higher the stakes a lot with the risk of making it worse. It is "ok" for now.
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Moejoe Omnipotent
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So close to getting it right... |
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