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Rowdy Railgunner
TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN.
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Posted - 2013.09.12 00:19:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote: The best part is that on PS3 there are no Hackers.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!! That is funny. Funny one makes this one laugh.
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Rowdy Railgunner
TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN.
40
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Posted - 2013.09.12 00:23:00 -
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Vin Mora wrote:SponkSponkSponk wrote: and there's probably about 50 times as many people playing COD right now. Again with the probably! Get hard numbers like you did above. You notice how a lot of games don't tell their player counts, because with most games it doesn't matter much. People complain because the game is stale to them, or any other countless reasons. But 3000+ people a night seems pretty good to me. I have a built a large network of associates and public channels on this character, and I hardly ever any of the people that I know. Matchmaking seems to working fine in that respect. Log into COD: BO2. 358,205 people online. Just on 360. How many are on PS3? How many are on PC? That is just BO2 as well. How many still play MW3 or BO? To compare DUST to COD is a fools game. COD smashes it.
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CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
275
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Posted - 2013.09.12 00:28:00 -
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Vin Mora wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
Less than 4k online at peak and only decreasing.
Yes, I agree a fresh start on the PS4 would be the best option, but since a PS4 version hasn't been confirmed yet I would say we're looking at spring 2014 for a PS4 version at the earliest. And on what information is it that you assume 3000+ people playing a day is bad? Do you have just as hard numbers for COD or Battlefield? If not, then SFTU and stop assuming that the 'low' player count is a bad thing. Theres plenty of games that have less per day, but I would say the lastest few cod's on steam have anywhere from 5-30k players on a day depending on the title. Thats just going on steam numbers.
The dust playerbase is small but it will grow if ccp stop making **** ups! - The current matchmaker is dragging us through all of the same problems we had to go through before. For NO benifit.
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Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
3588
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Posted - 2013.09.12 00:28:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote: Thank you for your valuable contribution to the topic Mr. Adult. You sure showed us who's the kid around here.
Taking the "high road" gets boring sometimes.
It's kinda fun to take a break and play dirty. |
RejectedUsername
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
34
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Posted - 2013.09.12 00:39:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's limited capabilities. It is far too late for this game to recover in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently. No, this game is persistent, restarting is now no longer an option, if the wanted to restart that should have been done in closed beta!! DUST will be available on both consoles for a time, when sony cut support for ps3 systems, we will potentially move over completly, they wont overhaul the base code to suit the ps4 until unreal 4 is released, u 4 willmhave the capability of optimizing the game for improved performance on the ps4. You need to either leave alone, or stick it out, you dont just shutdown andmhave another go, on a game like this!! They do not have to restart it, they just have to up port this game to UE4. After that they just keep updating the game on the ps4 |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
1077
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Posted - 2013.09.12 00:57:00 -
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So putting it in a shiny new box will somehow fix it's problems? just wait a few years polish it and then port to PS4, CCP can keep it alive on PS3. Hell take the time a put this on carbon for fucks sake make it REALLY good before putting it on PS4 make people **** their pants in 3 years rather than get a mediocre game in 1 year... |
Vell0cet
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
190
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Posted - 2013.09.12 01:29:00 -
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My tinfoil hat theory is that CCP signed a contract with Sony and were forced to release before it was ready. I suspect they're developing a PS4 version in tandem with the current version (which explains the delays in part). Their contract may forbid them from making any public statements to this effect. We're still in beta even if it's not officially labeled that way, and the core mechanics are getting to be pretty good. I think in another 6 months or so DUST will be looking ready to make a large push into the market on the PS4 (and/or the PC/Mac). |
Moejoe Omnipotent
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
630
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Posted - 2013.11.19 10:16:00 -
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So how have those player counts been coming along? |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
1307
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Posted - 2013.11.19 10:27:00 -
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yah woo hoo another dust is dying thread, wow ..............after reading so many dust is dying threads over the past 16 months I always wonder how boring and pathetic the lives of the folks who have nothing better to do than come on to a forum of a game that they claim is , (insert generic insult ) and is dying . I mean come on if folks hate the game and think ist that bad and on the way down why oh why do they still come on hear and post away????????
do they have nothing better to do ?
do they actually have a life outside their mums basement?
do they eat any thing else other than cheeto flavoured paste ?
do they have strawberry flavoured windows in their home?
Are they allowed out doors without a crash helmet ?
these are the questions id like answerd.
Its gone from suck .....to blow
level 1 forum warrior
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steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1937
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Posted - 2013.11.19 10:34:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:So how have those player counts been coming along?
Better to ask that in January but 1million ps4 sold in the states alone. Ccp justification for not developing on the ps4 just got shot straight out of the water an epic fumble yet again proving they have no clue being on titanfall and destiny
"my faith is my shield, the empress's light my guide and my fury my sword"
winner of EU squad cup
GOGO power rangers
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.11.19 10:38:00 -
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Our numbers havent changed much since september overall.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier Specialist
Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
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Cosgar
ParagonX
7934
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Posted - 2013.11.19 10:39:00 -
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If this game sucks on the PS3, it's going to suck on the PS4. Moving broken and imbalanced game mechanics to a next gen platform isn't going to magically fix everything just like 1.7 isn't going to magically fix the game either. It's been a year and they finally fixed hit detection... in a game that to this point, may have possibly been balanced around bad hit detection. It's going to be a while before Dust is even relevant in the FPS market let alone worth a footnote. Best thing to do is keep giving constructive feedback and hope they stop saying that an AR not having any kick when you use a modded controller is "mechanically intended."
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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hooc order
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
908
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Posted - 2013.11.19 10:46:00 -
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Hey guys. What is going on here? |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
805
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Posted - 2013.11.19 10:58:00 -
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ps4 would not magically improve dust but it will fix the ps3 limits. the rendering "issue" that some people complain about is done on purpose to suit the ps3 power cause it simply just cant render everything on map without killing the framerates.
Vyzion Eyri wrote:I hear EVE can run well on pretty low-cost/budget gaming computers. yes it can but there isnt much to render in space beside ships, weaponry and drones. the game is also old and not very demanding. |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1260
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Posted - 2013.11.19 11:06:00 -
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We should make a forum section just for repeat threads that way they aren't posted in general anymore.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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4447
Pure Innocence. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.19 11:10:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's limited capabilities and that their vision will never materialize on old last-gen hardware. It is far too late for this game to recover in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently.
Focus from here until the PS4 version should be on fixing the game and fixing the brand. Once you've revived good press and have given Dust a second chance at life, then you can rake in the $$$.
I love the journey i've taken with my ps3 and your calling the thing out dated
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Aran Abbas
Goonfeet Top Men.
304
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Posted - 2013.11.19 11:20:00 -
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The truth is that Dust has arrested its decline in player numbers. It up only very slightly, but it's been enough to save the game from death for the moment.
The truth also is that for the majority of players Dust is little more than a lobby shooter with skill progression tacked on. Until that changes no-one should expect a significant increase in player numbers. |
Your Absolut End
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
206
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Posted - 2013.11.19 13:07:00 -
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actually in my opinion you are right. at least somewhat right OP. ps4 and games like cod ghosts and bf4 will move players away from dust.
but dust was never meant to stay in direct competition with games like those. for sure its an fps game and it should attract fps players. but in my eyes dust is more than that. what really makes dust enjoyable for me is the meta game. the players you meet, the friends you find. never have i touched a game before which drained me so much into it and brought me in contact with so many cool guys.
I wont move to another game. dust deserves a chance, its on a good way and i like to see it improve. we dont have pressure behind this game. i think ccp earns enough with eve and already earned enough with dust to give it the time it needs to become what it deserves to be.
dust is not another generic fps game. its a service, its a universe, its a crazy movie which brings up all kinds of emotions in me from rage and anger to happiness and joy. dont fixate on what is wrong or broken, fixate on what is good and makes fun.
for sure there are other games out there, and nobody forces you to stay with dust, but you will regret leaving new eden one day.
I've seen so many games, some better ones, some worse ones.
i am happy to be part of the journey on which dust and we all are. I can't wait to see whats coming up next and I cant wait for the next fight with my fellow mercs, my brother and friends i found here.
call me stupid for sticking to this game, But i think with people leaving for ps4 and other games dust is not dieing, not at all. maybe the playerbase will go down a bit, but what stays are the people who believe in this game and want to see it improve. thats not bad at all for it gives ccp a more focused and cleaner feedback from the guys who are really interested in this game and not in their own advantage.
therefore it will help improvimg the game so once it finally reaches ps4, its gonna be the blast no one expected from "that dieing game"
but thats just my opinion. I enjoy playing dust since I started, and i dont see this changing in the future.
another one bites the Dust...
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
5170
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Posted - 2013.11.19 13:12:00 -
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Here we go again.
Another one of these doom threads. Let me file this in my cabinet under "Threads That I Have Seen for the Past 12 Months" section.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
538
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Posted - 2013.11.19 13:27:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's limited capabilities and that their vision will never materialize on old last-gen hardware. It is far too late for this game to recover in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently.
Focus from here until the PS4 version should be on fixing the game and fixing the brand. Once you've revived good press and have given Dust a second chance at life, then you can rake in the $$$.
With PS4 i'm sure they can fix some or most of their issues. Graphics, hit detection, gameplay. Devs Please pick up a copy of BF4 and see how the Multiplayer works. They are bringing 32 vs 32 and we are still writing QQ threads about OP this and OP that. Let us beta test it on PS4. Let us transfer our characters to PS4. Dont worry about $$$ you will earn plenty. Just the get the game to work pls |
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RydogV
Shadow Company HQ
616
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Posted - 2013.11.19 14:24:00 -
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Your Absolut End wrote:actually in my opinion you are right. at least somewhat right OP. ps4 and games like cod ghosts and bf4 will move players away from dust.
but dust was never meant to stay in direct competition with games like those. for sure its an fps game and it should attract fps players. but in my eyes dust is more than that. what really makes dust enjoyable for me is the meta game. the players you meet, the friends you find. never have i touched a game before which drained me so much into it and brought me in contact with so many cool guys.
I wont move to another game. dust deserves a chance, its on a good way and i like to see it improve. we dont have pressure behind this game. i think ccp earns enough with eve and already earned enough with dust to give it the time it needs to become what it deserves to be.
dust is not another generic fps game. its a service, its a universe, its a crazy movie which brings up all kinds of emotions in me from rage and anger to happiness and joy. dont fixate on what is wrong or broken, fixate on what is good and makes fun.
for sure there are other games out there, and nobody forces you to stay with dust, but you will regret leaving new eden one day.
I've seen so many games, some better ones, some worse ones.
i am happy to be part of the journey on which dust and we all are. I can't wait to see whats coming up next and I cant wait for the next fight with my fellow mercs, my brother and friends i found here.
call me stupid for sticking to this game, But i think with people leaving for ps4 and other games dust is not dieing, not at all. maybe the playerbase will go down a bit, but what stays are the people who believe in this game and want to see it improve. thats not bad at all for it gives ccp a more focused and cleaner feedback from the guys who are really interested in this game and not in their own advantage.
therefore it will help improvimg the game so once it finally reaches ps4, its gonna be the blast no one expected from "that dieing game"
but thats just my opinion. I enjoy playing dust since I started, and i dont see this changing in the future.
EDIT: and one important thing: dust is what you make out of it. it is boring? try something new and have some fun! **** your kdr and ego. this is a videogame! its designed for fun. the only thing which is different between dust and other games is that dust is no easy entertainment where you have blinking arrows all over your screen telling you what to do. this is a sandbox. leave your trace and try to build a castle! see it bruning, go out and destroy other castles, its your decision, but you have to make the first move, and personally i think this is the point alot of frustrated players dont see. Dust is what YOU make out of it.
This guy gets it. I was in GameStop yesterday trading my bricked PS4 for the replacement they shipped in and I ran into an old friend. We got to chatting and he was talking about Battlefield 4 and was surprised I was not planning to play it.
I explained that although I tried the Beta it just felt pretty much the same as BF3, and while that was a good game, it just wasn't enough for me anymore. I told him I had been playing Dust 514 for the last 18 months and he asked "Wow, is the game really that good?" And of course I told him "No, it kinda sucks." Everyone listening kinda laughed at that.
But I went on to explain that even though the game is far from perfect, I just can't stop playing. Though those of us who have been playing for a while may scoff at the 'risk and reward' promise and call it unfulfilled, but when you play a game like Battlefield, you really miss even the slightest sense of consequence. You die and it's like 'oh well, I'll just respawn'. Need a tank? Hey, one just magically appeared.
Dust is not the end-all-be-all of shooters. But it does have the potential to get close to the mark. Unfortunately for the attention deficit crowd, that vision will take years to realize. So play other games if you must...in fact play lots of them...but don't give up on Dust. Just give it time. It is the only thing you have to lose. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
5170
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Posted - 2013.11.19 14:40:00 -
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Your Absolut End wrote:actually in my opinion you are right. at least somewhat right OP. ps4 and games like cod ghosts and bf4 will move players away from dust.
but dust was never meant to stay in direct competition with games like those. for sure its an fps game and it should attract fps players. but in my eyes dust is more than that. what really makes dust enjoyable for me is the meta game. the players you meet, the friends you find. never have i touched a game before which drained me so much into it and brought me in contact with so many cool guys.
I wont move to another game. dust deserves a chance, its on a good way and i like to see it improve. we dont have pressure behind this game. i think ccp earns enough with eve and already earned enough with dust to give it the time it needs to become what it deserves to be.
dust is not another generic fps game. its a service, its a universe, its a crazy movie which brings up all kinds of emotions in me from rage and anger to happiness and joy. dont fixate on what is wrong or broken, fixate on what is good and makes fun.
for sure there are other games out there, and nobody forces you to stay with dust, but you will regret leaving new eden one day.
I've seen so many games, some better ones, some worse ones.
i am happy to be part of the journey on which dust and we all are. I can't wait to see whats coming up next and I cant wait for the next fight with my fellow mercs, my brother and friends i found here.
call me stupid for sticking to this game, But i think with people leaving for ps4 and other games dust is not dieing, not at all. maybe the playerbase will go down a bit, but what stays are the people who believe in this game and want to see it improve. thats not bad at all for it gives ccp a more focused and cleaner feedback from the guys who are really interested in this game and not in their own advantage.
therefore it will help improvimg the game so once it finally reaches ps4, its gonna be the blast no one expected from "that dieing game"
but thats just my opinion. I enjoy playing dust since I started, and i dont see this changing in the future.
EDIT: and one important thing: dust is what you make out of it. it is boring? try something new and have some fun! **** your kdr and ego. this is a videogame! its designed for fun. the only thing which is different between dust and other games is that dust is no easy entertainment where you have blinking arrows all over your screen telling you what to do. this is a sandbox. leave your trace and try to build a castle! see it bruning, go out and destroy other castles, its your decision, but you have to make the first move, and personally i think this is the point alot of frustrated players dont see. Dust is what YOU make out of it.
I don't think I have ever encountered a game besides Dust that has given me so much rage, joy, and everything in between for such a long time. I played Call of Duty (several iterations of it actually), Battlefield, Ghost Recon, etc. and none of those games made me feel so angry and joyful compared to Dust.
Ok, it stands to reason that Dust currently sucks and gives me plenty of headaches. But I can't seem to let it go for some reason. Every time I play Halo every week with my friends, I get less and less joy and anger out of it. Every time I play Call of Duty Black Ops, I get even far less joy and anger. Dust on the other hand, despite the lack of content, lack of connection with Eve and lack of progress, has made me feel so much more alive compared to any game I have ever played because I get so angry and joyful when I play it. My emotions run so wild in this game. And I don't think I have ever seen a game make me curse so much like a drunk sailor at a bar.
Dust, despite our bitter relationship, I still love you.
By the way, if you want a more visual idea of how I feel...
Look at this first: http://grim.snafu-comics.com/index.php?comic_id=28
Then this (which is the next page): http://grim.snafu-comics.com/index.php?comic_id=29
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Moejoe Omnipotent
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
638
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Posted - 2013.11.21 00:19:00 -
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Player count has flat-lined because mostly Eve players are left.
Dust has failed to appeal to its target audience. I think a lot of you have completely forgotten or have completely ignored what CCP's intentions were and who they were targeting with Dust. It wasn't most of you guys.
MAG died young. Dust flopped hard.
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Vell0cet
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
576
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Posted - 2013.11.21 01:54:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:Player count has flat-lined because mostly Eve players are left.
Dust has failed to appeal to its target audience. I think a lot of you have completely forgotten or have completely ignored what CCP's intentions were and who they were targeting with Dust. It wasn't most of you guys. That may be, but notice how the EVE elements are the only thing keeping this game going? If CCP removed all of the RPG, suit fitting, ISK vs. risk, and connections to EVE this game would be horrible. CCP can't compete with AAA shooters with insane budgets , code that goes years back and has been improved over many versions that have been vetted/tweaked/polished by years of play. That style of pick-up-and-play meaningless FPS gameplay is saturated and done better by studios who have been doing FPS games for a long time. I can guarantee the CoD team isn't spending their time working out basic hit-detection issues like CCP has been.
For DUST to succeed, it needs to embrace its strengths, cater to RPG fans as a "thinking man's shooter." I can't stand other FPS games myself. It's spawn, kill, die, respawn, etc ad nausium. You don't get the rush of playing with something to loose, or the thrill of taking down someone who was wearing an expensive fit, or a costly vehicle. You don't get the thrill of planning out how to maximize your ISK-efficiency in your cheap suits, or maximize your firepower/surviability/utility in your expensive fits. I actually think this game will draw in a huge following once the core is worked out, the missing content is in place, the matchmaker is fixed and we get a compelling NPE that let's new players see the potential and depth the game has to offer instead of running around cluelessly with ARs in starter fits.
Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
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KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
896
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Posted - 2013.11.21 02:32:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote: -- snip -- For DUST to succeed, it needs to embrace its strengths, cater to RPG fans as a "thinking man's shooter." I can't stand other FPS games myself. -- snip --
This is a double edged sword in DUST.
First the thinking part gets ganked by the Devs as they continually change the game every month. So you figured out a fit/weapons/gear/equipment/skills that are fun for you. Then the QQ Kittens whine about it and ... it no longer works because Wang had sent out the Ninja Nerf Hammer of Doom on your particular favorite.
Now, you cannot respec your Skills and they will lay fallow while resentment builds because your fun has been reduced. That is how CCP works from what I understand of EVE, a game I actively hate. A spreadsheet for the sake of the gods.
As far as the generic FPSs I couldn't agree more. The reason they work for the masses is there is an underlying premise that anyone can play. That is false because playing enough to memorize the maps, get the best gear and have the options to sic dogs on your opponents will always overpower lesser foes. The standard FPS is built on disparity while being sold on equality. A fun situation, if you are in their marketing team. For new players, not so much.
The game brought me in because of its pitch. An MMO/RPG/FPS based in the same universe as EVE. New Eden awaits your immortal self to fight for ISK.
Which is great until the MMO part is boring, glitched and indeed it is tied to the legion of gankers in EVE. The RPG section is boring and capricious. Refunds are verboten until CCP/Shanghai screws the pooch so badly they have no other choice (see 1.7 and the original broken Skill tree for vehicles in early Uprising).
The FPS is mostly a generic shooter, with some major issues. Most of the players assume there is matchmaking and they are tragically wrong. I have Proto and Officer weapons and will use them when the situation and map warrant them. As in, high reward, little risk. Yet others get incensed when facing such weapons in pub matches, even FW gets grumpy responses. Yet there is now way to set up a match where they are allowed or barred.
Personally it would appear that CCP/Shanghai didn't really know what the terms MMO, RPG and FPS actually meant when they started the game. The Beta has moved forward in impressive ways. The future was positive and we players were as well. However, since Uprising DUST has been a tired series of mistakes, misunderstandings and missed goals. Resulting in a game that only rewards the grinding for SP.
And complaining on the forums.
I am still here but all too often the game really does suck. |
Moejoe Omnipotent
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
670
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Posted - 2014.02.06 00:51:00 -
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Bump. |
Teilka Darkmist
216
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Posted - 2014.02.06 00:57:00 -
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No thank you. I have no intention of getting any of the newer generation of consoles untill they've drastically reduced in price. I only got a PS3 because Dust was announced to be PS3 exclusive and I wanted to play it.
When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance
5
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:03:00 -
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>Devs abandon ship on the ps3 to convert to ps4 >oh wait guys, planetside 2 is also f2p on the ps4 >ps2 puts the dismembered head of dust 514 on its mantle >WoW, "Oh hey you got one of those too ps2? Man iv'e got a basement full of those."
This game needs a lot of work before it can compete with ps2 which it will drive itself to direct competition with the same formula on ps4. |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
463
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:14:00 -
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This game and PS2 have a lot in common but are also way different. For a LOT of people, the smaller, defined battles are a driving force. Blob on Blob combat that PS2 offers isnt the end all be all...
its cool.
But theres plenty of room for both. |
TYCHUS MAXWELL
Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance
5
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:20:00 -
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When we get real integration with Eve, player markets, and pve, I'll agree with you. But until then running a beta product in direct competition with a finished product on consoles is a bad idea. CCPs biggest issue is that they don't understand the difference between the console market and the pc market. PC games can spend years of development like Eve to establish itself. Consoles evolve far too quickly to do this. As eve as an example, can you imagine many people playing eve right now if it were on the play station 2? |
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