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Selinate deux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.25 00:52:00 -
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Chesyre Armundsen wrote:Alrighty, it's time to look at numbers: PlanetSide 2 - Steam Charts Lost approx. 33% of their peak player base between November 2012 - Present. (current peak approx. 10, 000 players)
Call of Duty: Ghosts (Multiplayer) - Steam Charts Lost approx. 74% of peak player base between November 2013 - Present (current peak approx. 9,500 players)
Battlefield 4 Stats (Current online player count) PC: 30,439 PS3: 36,530 XBOX360: 35,094 XBOXONE: 29,44 PS4: 49,365
This is what I could dig up. In my opinion the health of DUST seems to be alright, and even better when you look at the long term data for EVE EVE-Offline
Don't mix 2 pools of data and expect to come out with a strong argument for one or the other... |
Duran Lex
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
793
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Posted - 2014.04.25 01:07:00 -
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Who the **** revived this dead horse to suffer more beatings?
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thesupertman
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2014.04.25 01:29:00 -
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No, don't ditch te ps3 community, it is sill bigger than the ps4 one.
The new commandos should have a better paint job. Look at the Amarr one!
Please bring back the Warbage!
MTACs?
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
2691
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Posted - 2014.04.25 01:32:00 -
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Unnecessary necro thread detected.
PS4 doesn't program itself or know how to auto-balance weapons and dropsuits. No point in moving until things are "fixed". You can polish the turd all you want with better framerates but if the bugs are still here nobody cares.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Forum Warrior lv.2
Amarr victor!
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Goat of Dover
DROID EXILES
General Tso's Alliance
198
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Posted - 2014.04.25 02:08:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's weak hardware and that their vision will never materialize on an old last-gen console. It is too late for this game to recover on PS3 in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available with next-gen hardware to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently.
Focus from here until the PS4 version should be on fixing the game and fixing the brand. Once you've revived good press and have given Dust a second chance at life, then you can rake in the $$$.
Treat the PS3 version as an experiment and learning experience for the real deal.
I have to say that your idea does sound tempting and it always does when faced with this kinda situation. The only thing is the history has shown that it tends to turn out bad for someone who uses this tactic especially if they are in the same situation as CCP.
Take Sega for instance they kept releasing something and stating that it was top of the line and their future. Only to say that it wasn't a year later. This lead to a sever down fall of respect and trust that the populous and the market had for them. Leading up to the fail of the extremely well made and amazing system that was the Dreamcast.
CCP is already in a pretty big hole with most of the media when it comes to Dust514 this game is seen as a failure to most even those who play it feel it is that way the just like it to much to stop. So to shut down a game in production on the system that they said they were going to stay with to move on to a next is in turn taking the same road that Sega did before and could potentially have a more negative out come than just sticking out the life of the PS3 and moving on when it is time.
A few other points to make are that I don't think the PS4 is going to last a decade or anywhere near it given its hardware and scheduled API. This means that jumping ship to the PS4 may actually only cost more money in the long run due the large chance of another gen being released before they are actually able to make money off of that systems Dust514.
Then again you never know and we could all be wrong and CCP could do something past what any of us are even thinking.
P.S. I am not good at grammar or writing so if you are going to troll me over grammatical error or bad typing just move along. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.04.25 02:58:00 -
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thesupertman wrote:No, don't ditch te ps3 community, it is sill bigger than the ps4 one.
too late since hopefully I manage to ditch the PS3 community this Friday
time for Playstation Four games
Hey CCP get a PS4 client
Planetside 2 in June on PS4
Dust Deserters Alliance
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Rusty Shallows
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Posted - 2014.04.25 04:27:00 -
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He's also farming your post for Likes.
Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting.
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
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TechMechMeds
SWAMPERIUM
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Posted - 2014.04.25 04:29:00 -
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Agreed but ff a realm reborn was an awful pve heroes wet dream and newbish as hell, I was disgusted but the art work was superb.
If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you.
The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
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Jake Diesel
BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
158
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Posted - 2014.04.25 05:02:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's limited capabilities and that their vision will never materialize on old last-gen hardware. It is far too late for this game to recover in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently.
Focus from here until the PS4 release should be on fixing the game and fixing the brand. Once you've revived good press and have given Dust a second chance at life, then you can rake in the $$$. This is one of the rare times I'm going to agree. Dust514 will do far better on the ps4 and I belive both version can run sideby side but once the ps4 has settled in Dust514 should make its home their.
CCP has to merge over to PS4 sooner than later. With games like The Division and Destiny looming at the horizon, CCP will have a hard time pulling players to DUST if they transition way too late. They need to start transitioning soon and have both PS3 and PS4 DUST up and running side by side until DUST is complete.
DUST will not last 10 years on PS3 alone.
Unreal Engine would run great on PS4. |
JIMvc2
UNREAL WARRIORS
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Posted - 2014.04.25 05:10:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's weak hardware and that their vision will never materialize on an old last-gen console. It is too late for this game to recover on PS3 in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available with next-gen hardware to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently.
Focus from here until the PS4 version should be on fixing the game and fixing the brand. Once you've revived good press and have given Dust a second chance at life, then you can rake in the $$$.
Treat the PS3 version as an experiment and learning experience for the real deal.
You mean Current Gen. PS4 and xbox are released so its Current Not Next gen. Next gen is the future but today is present. Its sad how people dont know the diffedence between Current Gen and Next Gen.
If you run proto gear, prepare to suffer the consequences. You've been warned.
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JIMvc2
UNREAL WARRIORS
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Posted - 2014.04.25 05:12:00 -
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Jake Diesel wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's limited capabilities and that their vision will never materialize on old last-gen hardware. It is far too late for this game to recover in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently.
Focus from here until the PS4 release should be on fixing the game and fixing the brand. Once you've revived good press and have given Dust a second chance at life, then you can rake in the $$$. This is one of the rare times I'm going to agree. Dust514 will do far better on the ps4 and I belive both version can run sideby side but once the ps4 has settled in Dust514 should make its home their. CCP has to merge over to PS4 sooner than later. With games like The Division and Destiny looming at the horizon, CCP will have a hard time pulling players to DUST if they transition way too late. They need to start transitioning soon and have both PS3 and PS4 DUST up and running side by side until DUST is complete. DUST will not last 10 years on PS3 alone. Unreal Engine would run great on PS4.
Just because PS4 is released doesnt mean Move to PS4 and leave PS3. Use some commen sense.
If you run proto gear, prepare to suffer the consequences. You've been warned.
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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
137
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Posted - 2014.04.25 05:26:00 -
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Honestly, DUST seems terribly lost at this point. At most give it another year on PS3 if it doesn't make the jump. By then, developers will start dropping ps3 releases totally.
1.8 --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes.
1.8 --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
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JIMvc2
UNREAL WARRIORS
100
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Posted - 2014.04.25 06:38:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
Less than 4k online at peak and only decreasing.
Yes, I agree a fresh start on the PS4 would be the best option, but since a PS4 version hasn't been confirmed yet I would say we're looking at spring 2014 for a PS4 version at the earliest.
You must be a fool. You think PS4 will make it better ? Ps4 has Killzone, PS2, infamous. Arent you happy what the ps4 has right now.
If you run proto gear, prepare to suffer the consequences. You've been warned.
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JIMvc2
UNREAL WARRIORS
100
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Posted - 2014.04.25 06:39:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:thesupertman wrote:No, don't ditch te ps3 community, it is sill bigger than the ps4 one. too late since hopefully I manage to ditch the PS3 community this Friday time for Playstation Four games
Good for you. 75 million PS3 >>>>> 7 million ps4 = LMAO.
If you run proto gear, prepare to suffer the consequences. You've been warned.
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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
140
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Posted - 2014.04.25 06:41:00 -
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It's inevitable. I'm not rushing CCP or anything, but they gotta get a move on the transition.
1.8 --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes.
1.8 --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
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Deamonwrath21 DeathReign
THE APOCALYPSE 3
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.04.27 20:34:00 -
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True me and my ceo are ditching dust for Planetside 2 on Ps4 when hits psn, till dust moves to Ps4 but Planetside 2 will get most my play time either way, 2000 players over 100 square miles epic, no pay to win unlike dust cheap ass, outfits simular to dust514 corporations. Ps2onps4 will fatality dust if dust doesn't improve or move to ps4  |
Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
5060
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Posted - 2014.04.27 20:46:00 -
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How the hell is this thread still alive? I thought they locked threads this old.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Mojo XXXIII
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.04.27 20:57:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:How the hell is this thread still alive? I thought they locked threads this old.
Because the OP swings by to ressurrect it once every month or so. Lol
Dude's like a seagull, he flies in, craps all over the place, and then flies away!  |
Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
5062
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Posted - 2014.04.27 21:05:00 -
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Mojo XXXIII wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:How the hell is this thread still alive? I thought they locked threads this old. Because the OP swings by to ressurrect it once every month or so. Lol Dude's like a seagull, he flies in, craps all over the place, and then flies away!
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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JIMvc2
UNREAL WARRIORS
102
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Posted - 2014.04.27 21:59:00 -
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Deamonwrath21 DeathReign wrote:True me and my ceo are ditching dust for Planetside 2 on Ps4 when hits psn, till dust moves to Ps4 but Planetside 2 will get most my play time either way, 2000 players over 100 square miles epic, no pay to win unlike dust cheap ass, outfits simular to dust514 corporations. Ps2onps4 will fatality dust if dust doesn't improve or move to ps4
Planet n00b 2. Sony should ditch that. PS4 needs MAG.
If you run proto gear, prepare to suffer the consequences. You've been warned.
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Atikali Havendoorr
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
58
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Posted - 2014.04.28 12:19:00 -
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What about the fact that online play costs money on the PS4?
I think that a PS4 version wont see the surface until next year. CCP actually said it themselves, and it makes perfect sense. In 2015 installed user base will be high enough for Dust, and CCP will have enough time to make a PS4 client.
This whole Dust project was balanced on a very small line of shared resources. They didn't have the ability to start a whole new team using completely different technology (game engine) to keep both games up on a high quality level.
So, they relied on their own Carbon engine, thus (drastically? my speculation) reducing the need for hiring personnel and build, maintain and develop competence for two platforms.
When they finally realized that the Carbon engine couldn't run a game like this on the PS3, everything broke.
Switching game engine meant they lost over a year of development time, missing their scheduled 2012 release and breaking the whole concept of shared resources, which meant restrained integration with Eve online, both in terms of difficulties technically implanting upgrades and changes to both games in tandem, and having separated development teams which cannot lend a hand to each other if needed.
The UE team don't know about Carbon, since it's CCP proprietary engine, and the Carbon team don't know about anything else.
This is why Dust still sucks and isn't finished. They can't keep two full teams, which would be required to keep both games top notch, so they focus on EveO, which is their foundation after all, and do what they can with Dust with what is left.
They are slowly catching up of course, but they are still far from the target, and have settled for a vastly different level of gaming experience for now.
I heard that Dust actually is just above break even in terms of investment. If the number are correct, they naturally wouldn't waste a lot more recourses in an attempt to higher the stakes a lot with the risk of making it worse. It is "ok" for now.
Sorry for kicking the dead horse a little further, but people forget the origination of things. |
Moejoe Omnipotent
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
710
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Posted - 2014.05.02 21:02:00 -
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So close to getting it right... |
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