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Moejoe Omnipotent
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.09.11 09:45:00 -
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The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's limited capabilities. It is far too late for this game to recover in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience. Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once the game is all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
393
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Posted - 2013.09.11 09:56:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's limited capabilities. It is far too late for this game to recover in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently.
No, this game is persistent, restarting is now no longer an option, if the wanted to restart that should have been done in closed beta!! DUST will be available on both consoles for a time, when sony cut support for ps3 systems, we will potentially move over completly, they wont overhaul the base code to suit the ps4 until unreal 4 is released, u 4 willmhave the capability of optimizing the game for improved performance on the ps4.
You need to either leave alone, or stick it out, you dont just shutdown andmhave another go, on a game like this!! |
SgtDoughnut
M.E.R.C. Elite
90
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Posted - 2013.09.11 09:57:00 -
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This is actually a great idea, as long as my chars from dust transfer to the new version in some way or another (not really concerned about the SP but the suits and blueprints I have I would love to keep, my bright red caldari suit makes me laugh when i kick a proto in the face.) |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
990
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:14:00 -
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Thank you! I was beginning to worry that the community won't fill the weekly quota of repeated threads.
Seriously, I'm appalled at that "receive good press". Only young immature gamers are so infused with what the press thinks about a game. Who gives a flux?
I'm having a good time...this isn't Final Fantasy. This isn't your average game with an average run of the mill developer.
It's clear that if you were so good at these ideas that you would somehow be involved within the gaming industry. Since you're not, please be quiet. You don't know what the hell you're talking about. |
Moejoe Omnipotent
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
608
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:18:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Thank you! I was beginning to worry that the community won't fill the weekly quota of repeated threads.
Seriously, I'm appalled at that "receive good press". Only young immature gamers are so infused with what the press thinks about a game. Who gives a flux?
I'm having a good time...this isn't Final Fantasy. This isn't your average game with an average run of the mill developer.
It's clear that if you were so good at these ideas that you would somehow be involved within the gaming industry. Since you're not, please be quiet. You don't know what the hell you're talking about.
You're adorable. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
542
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:19:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's limited capabilities and that their vision will never materialize on old last-gen hardware. It is far too late for this game to recover in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently.
Focus from here until the PS4 release should be on fixing the game and fixing the brand. Once you've revived good press and have given Dust a second chance at life, then you can rake in the $$$.
Despite all its flaws Dust is still my favorite shooter even if i have to take 2 patches of retirement it will still be my main goto fps game, why ?
Because there is nothing else like it, everything else is the same sh*t reharshed into new shiney **** with your 100 levels to redo. then in a year they will bring out a "new" version and you can again redo your 100 levels and so on and on.
The best part is that on PS3 there are no Hackers.
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2-Ton Twenty-One
Ancient Exiles
959
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:19:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Thank you! I was beginning to worry that the community won't fill the weekly quota of repeated threads.
Seriously, I'm appalled at that "receive good press". Only young immature gamers are so infused with what the press thinks about a game. Who gives a flux?
I'm having a good time...this isn't Final Fantasy. This isn't your average game with an average run of the mill developer.
It's clear that if you were so good at these ideas that you would somehow be involved within the gaming industry. Since you're not, please be quiet. You don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Fanboi in 4 posts... |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
991
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:29:00 -
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Passive aggressiveness doesn't really work here. It's always one of you guys that talk nonsense. It's always the doom and gloom.
It's like a checklist because it seems you naysayers can't really come up with much negative besides what you folks repeat day in and day out. I've been reading about Dust is dying on this forums for months. I've also read about guys who claimed to be leaving and they stay.
It's boring. You're not creative enough to come up with a new and fresh argument so you recycle the old. Instead of rallying behind the developer to better your experience, you simply say idiotic things for some sort of reaction.
But this is what the industry deals with. Moronic ideas uttered by followers who couldn't stand on their own opinion if their life depends on it. They just rehash whats been said by something other gamer.
For instance, "CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3 limited capabilites"
That is one stupid remark. Its well known that while the PS3's tech is good, it is quite difficult to be developed on. The sheer size of the maps and details shows you that CCP have gotten better with the development. From sun rays, to lighting effects, to shading, to landscape, and to building design-Dust is continuing to look better than its previous builds.
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Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1043
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:30:00 -
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http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
Less than 4k online at peak and only decreasing.
Yes, I agree a fresh start on the PS4 would be the best option, but since a PS4 version hasn't been confirmed yet I would say we're looking at spring 2014 for a PS4 version at the earliest. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1360
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:32:00 -
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I was wondering where all the PS4 threads where, is been a while since the last one. |
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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
991
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:33:00 -
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2-Ton Twenty-One wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Thank you! I was beginning to worry that the community won't fill the weekly quota of repeated threads.
Seriously, I'm appalled at that "receive good press". Only young immature gamers are so infused with what the press thinks about a game. Who gives a flux?
I'm having a good time...this isn't Final Fantasy. This isn't your average game with an average run of the mill developer.
It's clear that if you were so good at these ideas that you would somehow be involved within the gaming industry. Since you're not, please be quiet. You don't know what the hell you're talking about. Fanboi in 4 posts...
This brainchild. It was one post, Einstein. I am supporter of CCP, yes. I don't care how you view it. If you're not here to support the game then take your whiny selves back to the cheerleader squads you good at. This game is for folks who actually like to hit hard on the field. Pansies need not apply. So pull down your skirts and hopefully you might grow a pair. |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
1278
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:34:00 -
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I hear EVE can run well on pretty low-cost/budget gaming computers.
So I'm sure CCP can whip up a masterpiece on the PS3.
Moving to PS4 won't stop Sony from being between CCP and us consumers like an awkward third wheel to a troubled relationship.
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Mortedeamor
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
237
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:49:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Thank you! I was beginning to worry that the community won't fill the weekly quota of repeated threads.
Seriously, I'm appalled at that "receive good press". Only young immature gamers are so infused with what the press thinks about a game. Who gives a flux?
I'm having a good time...this isn't Final Fantasy. This isn't your average game with an average run of the mill developer.
It's clear that if you were so good at these ideas that you would somehow be involved within the gaming industry. Since you're not, please be quiet. You don't know what the hell you're talking about.
"This isn't your average game with an average run of the mill developer. "
is it not? at every turn for the past 2 years ccp has shown that dust 514 is exactly that an average game (albeit with great potential) sadly the developer is as stated above, average. If ccp is not an average game developer then they have not shown such with dust 514. they may have made something great in eve but as a fps dust declines month by month. there are countless issues most of which would not exist past the first few months of development for any ABOVE AVERAGE game developers.
whats worse is they have shown below average communication with they're testers. ccp a average game company has been telling above average testers they dont know what they are talking about for a long time. several of the changes they made in dust throughout it's development that ended up disastrous they were well warned off of by the gamers that they don't listen to. (any other developer would not have done so )
the player base is gone and it's not coming back why would anyone come back to DUST 514 ON PS3 when 1 there are currently better games to play on ps3 and 2 there will be loads more better games and a better consle coming out ina few months. lol
even assuming the change ccp made in they're employees balances and fixes the aspects of dust all the veteran might of dust is in one giant alliance. even down to the player base thats here balancing the game wouldn't matter why so the vets can once again achieve perfection in the matches and pub stomp scrubs 100% of the time instead of 75% of it lol
+1 to OP ccp start over |
Mejt0
D3LTA ACADEMY Inver Brass
22
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:51:00 -
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And what? Ps4 coming and all games must vo from ps3 version to ps4? I dont think that ALL will buy ps4 at start. |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1305
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:52:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's limited capabilities and that their vision will never materialize on old last-gen hardware. It is far too late for this game to recover in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently.
Focus from here until the PS4 release should be on fixing the game and fixing the brand. Once you've revived good press and have given Dust a second chance at life, then you can rake in the $$$.
This is one of the rare times I'm going to agree. Dust514 will do far better on the ps4 and I belive both version can run sideby side but once the ps4 has settled in Dust514 should make its home their. |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
995
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:53:00 -
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If the player base is gone then how is this game still being played? Ghosts?
But ok.
I'm having a great time with Dust. And I look forward to the future of Dust.
The truth is, I'm not the only one that feels this way.
I will continue supporting this project because I love their ambition and the idea of it all
It's damn good fun...sorry you don't have the same experience. |
Mortedeamor
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
237
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:53:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:And what? Ps4 coming and all games must vo from ps3 version to ps4? I dont think that ALL will buy ps4 at start. sony is not likely to shut the ps3 network down not for a long time and the ps4 is running on the same network so while production of ps3 will probably stop i think they will leave both systems up for a long time why kill the income. but dust cannot be meant for the ps3 the ps3 couldn't support a 100 perfect dust 514 it would burn up |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
995
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:54:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:And what? Ps4 coming and all games must vo from ps3 version to ps4? I dont think that ALL will buy ps4 at start.
No they don't. Smart people don't buy first gen tech. And the transitional period is at least a year. Plus the tech has to be realized fully. So that means next gen won't be all next gen until the following year.
Go figure. |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1305
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:56:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:And what? Ps4 coming and all games must vo from ps3 version to ps4? I dont think that ALL will buy ps4 at start. Eu pre ordes are sold out the littary can't make enough to fill the demand so u might be wrong on this one |
Vin Mora
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
141
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:57:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
Less than 4k online at peak and only decreasing.
Yes, I agree a fresh start on the PS4 would be the best option, but since a PS4 version hasn't been confirmed yet I would say we're looking at spring 2014 for a PS4 version at the earliest. And on what information is it that you assume 3000+ people playing a day is bad?
Do you have just as hard numbers for COD or Battlefield? If not, then SFTU and stop assuming that the 'low' player count is a bad thing.
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Orenji Jiji
Seraphim Auxiliaries
256
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:57:00 -
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LOL at everybody who thinks that PS4 is the secret sauce that Dust is missing. Especially now, when the game sucks less and less with every build.
FUD moar, gloom & doom hardcore whiners. |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1305
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:01:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Mejt0 wrote:And what? Ps4 coming and all games must vo from ps3 version to ps4? I dont think that ALL will buy ps4 at start. No they don't. Smart people don't buy first gen tech. And the transitional period is at least a year. Plus the tech has to be realized fully. So that means next gen won't be all next gen until the following year. Go figure. As these fourms prove smart people make up 0.5% of the gaming population so thats not much of an argument lol |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
393
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:09:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Mejt0 wrote:And what? Ps4 coming and all games must vo from ps3 version to ps4? I dont think that ALL will buy ps4 at start. sony is not likely to shut the ps3 network down not for a long time and the ps4 is running on the same network so while production of ps3 will probably stop i think they will leave both systems up for a long time why kill the income. but dust cannot be meant for the ps3 the ps3 couldn't support a 100 perfect dust 514 it would burn up
True we will definitely move to ps4 at some point, it would be illogical not to, as for the server stats, we've been like that for months, what is the point your making, also if you look there is an upward curving beginning to appear on thd six month markl! I mean apparently people left in droves when .4 hit, yet we've still got the same number of people playing, so either they lied, or we are getting players back at the same rate we are loosing them!! |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
1260
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:09:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:The out-of-gate reception will curse this brand forever and upcoming next-gen consoles will further weaken the already small playerebase. It's clear that CCP has struggled immensely in making good use of the PS3's limited capabilities and that their vision will never materialize on old last-gen hardware. It is far too late for this game to recover in its current position.
Start over on the PS4. Use the extra resources available to completely overhaul the gameplay. Rebrand the game and showcase it as a completely new experience (think FF14: A Realm Reborn). Run the beta alongside the current PS3 version for around 6-12 months. Once it's all set and done and people have had enough time to transition, go gold and cut the life-support on the PS3 version permanently.
Focus from here until the PS4 release should be on fixing the game and fixing the brand. Once you've revived good press and have given Dust a second chance at life, then you can rake in the $$$.
Dust is screwed, even if they do eventually make it to PS4.
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Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1043
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:10:00 -
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Vin Mora wrote:And on what information is it that you assume 3000+ people playing a day is bad?
Do you have just as hard numbers for COD or Battlefield? If not, then SFTU and stop assuming that the 'low' player count is a bad thing.
MAG, a game which a part of this forum describes as a failure, had way more players at peak. Also MAG only showed people actually either in battle or waiting in que, and not people just sitting in a party outside a match etc. The Suppression gamemode also didn't show player numbers either, so there could be x amount of players in there as well.
So basically current peak numbers for Dust are terribad. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
393
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:14:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Mejt0 wrote:And what? Ps4 coming and all games must vo from ps3 version to ps4? I dont think that ALL will buy ps4 at start. No they don't. Smart people don't buy first gen tech. And the transitional period is at least a year. Plus the tech has to be realized fully. So that means next gen won't be all next gen until the following year. Go figure.
Of course they dont, the ps2 continued for 3 years after 3 was launched, the ps3 has had one of the longest console life cycles ever, the 4 wont reach its potential anytime soon, it runs cryengine without breaking a sweat!!
And its not the console we should concerned about moving to its when move to unreal 4, the transition of code will generate a lot of bugs!! |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
394
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:18:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Vin Mora wrote:And on what information is it that you assume 3000+ people playing a day is bad?
Do you have just as hard numbers for COD or Battlefield? If not, then SFTU and stop assuming that the 'low' player count is a bad thing.
MAG, a game which a part of this forum describes as a failure, had way more players at peak. Also MAG only showed people actually either in battle or waiting in que, and not people just sitting in a party outside a match etc. The Suppression gamemode also didn't show player numbers either, so there could be x amount of players in there as well. So basically current peak numbers for Dust are terribad.
MAG wasn't a fail, it flopped because at the time it spent lot of its resources pushing the network to its limit, it wasn't very reliable or polished, not to mention MAG got a rather large media campaign we haven't, very few people know of dusts exsistence, and the game isn't ready to push its existence . . . . YET!! |
SponkSponkSponk
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
309
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:20:00 -
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Vin Mora wrote:And on what information is it that you assume 3000+ people playing a day is bad?
Do you have just as hard numbers for COD or Battlefield? If not, then SFTU and stop assuming that the 'low' player count is a bad thing.
I'm not saying it's bad, but it's about 15% of the number of people playing planetside, and there's probably about 50 times as many people playing COD right now. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1361
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:21:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
Less than 4k online at peak and only decreasing.
Yes, I agree a fresh start on the PS4 would be the best option, but since a PS4 version hasn't been confirmed yet I would say we're looking at spring 2014 for a PS4 version at the earliest.
When you guys are going to understand that the problem is not the "Console", but the game itself. |
m twiggz
Pawns and Kings The Superpowers
61
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:37:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Despite all its flaws Dust is still my favorite shooter even if i have to take 2 patches of retirement it will still be my main goto fps game, why ?
Because there is nothing else like it, everything else is the same sh*t reharshed into new shiney **** with your 100 levels to redo. then in a year they will bring out a "new" version and you can again redo your 100 levels and so on and on.
The best part is that on PS3 there are no Hackers.
I second this statement.
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