We are not making decisions on aim assist yet. But we are discussing your feedback.

That is exactly my point. What is the point on having aim-assist, when the majority of good weapons don't need aiming?

Sniper rifle doesn't counts... it have actually become a Skilled weapon. Not as easy to use as some people thinks it is.

Because splash weapons don't need Aim assist, you have noticed that Mass Drovers are less common right? They didn't even nerf the stats, they made other weapons better, which indirectly nerfed the Mass Driver.

If splash weapon got Aim Assist, they would be insanely OP.

Snipers have the same aim assist. In fact they have had it all along. There is a "drag" when they pass over an enemy that was present before 1.4. That is why snipers don't say anything about AA.

Splash weapons need AA? GTFO.

One more thing, WHAT THE F ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

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DUST 514 needs a product director to be continuously communicating about the game's vision, past, present and future, and which mechanics / weapons are working as intended. That should give us confidence about where it's going.

Pretty sure aim assistance existed in the earliest days of shooters like wolfenstein 3d and doom 1.

If every FPS developer and I mean Arma, socom, vegas, BF, ext was to listen too much to it's fan base, there would not be any of those franchises.

Those games are still massively played. But it's the devs who build the arena, get into the arena, and make changes accordingly. They take in there fans feedback, BUT TO A EXTENT.


MISTAKE NUMBER ONE WAS TRYING TO KEEP ITS BETA PLAYERS. That's MMO mentality.
Not one FPS game cares a rat's ass about keeping it's beta players. That was there for testing. testing is done, well so long. Sad, but yeah.

*But your a beta player*

I'm a FPS player. and keep a knowledge that FPS games are gladiator games. I want to understand the rules, but otherwise I'm here to fight.

As a fighter, I don't beg to change the rules. But do offer suggestions. as such should always be treated as that.

It's easy to view the fact that most devs don't listen to its player base as a "con". But you sure that it's not actually a "pro?"

They wouldn't be where they are now if it was actually a "con".

A REAL CON IS HAVING A NICHE GAME WITH ONLY 2000 PLAYERS. And that's just sad.

We are not making decisions on aim assist yet. But we are discussing your feedback.

We are not making decisions on aim assist yet. But we are discussing your feedback.

I'm happy it's their.
It's made fights challenging no matter who I've faced.

People fight from behind cover. Instead of strafing around in front of each other.

For the first time in a whie, the aim assist and hit detection fixes made this game feel like a quality shooter.
I had another friend of mine decide he may start playing again today, because I told him awesome the matches are now...

If we end up going back to how things were, our blueberries will end up being useless again, and pub-stomping will go back to full strength.

I really don't want to go back to aiming before 1.4. Don't dial back anything close to what aiming was during 1.3 or before.

Many of these people b itching now, are the same ones that were qqing about how bad the aiming and hit detection was before.


Apparently, they only wanted aiming and hit detection fixes to work for them, and not the noobs they were pub-stomping.

If possible look at the metrics for how close battles are since 1.4
Or look at the metrics for KDR for the last few days if you can.

This is really something that you should just look at your metrics for.
Please, don't fall for the whining of players that don't understand that in a FPS, aiming is an equal-opportunity right.
It shouldn't take more than a couple hours for a new player to hop into a shooter and get familiar with its aiming mechanics. That's exactly what you guys have finally enabled.

Well, i really hope this time you decided to listen to commonsense.

- Aim-assist stays, all NooB weapons have to go.
- Aim-assist is remove, keep all the NooB weapons...maybe even add few more.

Pretty sure aim assistance existed in the earliest days of shooters like wolfenstein 3d and doom 1.

Whoa!

You want Mintchip dropping "Cheer Ups!" in response to our every suggestion and concern!?

If you ask for a product director, you're gonna get PR . And the Devs that make sh*t happen ... we'll never see or hear from them again. I kinda like how each of the Devs (like Logic Loop) responds to suggestions and feedback relevant to his role.

Not to say your idea is a poor one, Duncan. Simply playing devil's advocate.

- Shotty

We are not making decisions on aim assist yet. But we are discussing your feedback.

Thank you.

I refer you to the Kotaku articles regarding community feedback.

WoundedBum said, "I'd be interested to know how much interaction he feels a developer should have with the community during game development - obviously there needs to be communication between the two, but is it possible to have too much? Should the developers have a clear vision of what should and shouldn't be done in their game and tweak it accordingly, or should they be completely open to the communities wants and needs? It's interesting because with movies, the community has next to no input on what will be done, but with gaming it's a long development period and things can be more easily changed and affected."

Yes, it is absolutely possible to have too much community input in game development. Probably the scariest thing that can happen is that a developer will cater to the ultra-hardcore, super vocal community members. The problem is that these players usually do not represent the average player, and request things that don't appeal to most people.

For instance, we received a lot of useful feedback from the Hybrid beta. However, some things were just completely out of scope or were not what the game is about. There was someone petitioning for vehicles in the game, but that doesn't fit with Hybrid's design.

Also, during development, people don't necessarily know what they want until they see it. Henry Ford said it best: "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." Ultimately community input is very important, but like anything, moderation is best. We do this for a living, so trust us to make the best game possible!

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We are not making decisions on aim assist yet. But we are discussing your feedback.

The ONLY people complaining about the Aim Assist are "wanna-be" proto-stompers.

The true pub-stompers are still stomping, don't need proto to do it, and have nothing to complain about.
The newer players are happy that they can hit targets in a panic.

You have this segment of players that somehow feel that their mastery of broken aiming mechanics is a mark of skill...
...as if they're entitled to play recklessly and not get shot. It blows my mind, how crooked their reasoning is.

This is the thing I don't understand.


Why say that it give skilled players an unfair advantage or it makes them more OP...? That doesn't make any sense - in fact, it has nothing to do with Aim Assist, if they were skilled before they're still going to be skilled.

Try turning it on for yourself and give it a shot, it's not like the option isn't there for you. According to that logic, the only thing it's going to do is make you a better player.

So in your opinion, all Mass Drivers, Forge Guns, Tanks, Grenades, and installations needs to go? Thanks. I'm glad you're not one of CCP's design team.

Just adding a better counter

Just adding a link that I think is relevant to this thread and hopefolly to CCP also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EitZRLt2G3w&list=LLRPnCh1W4oujblWxjFnWPmg

I recommend for people to watch the whole video as it is really interesting.. But at 2:30 that is the part that I feel that is the most interesting.

Hmm, I don't recall having aim assist. Might have to boot it up and see.