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Banning Hammer
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Posted - 2013.09.09 10:17:00 -
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We they need to sit and think ? I'm sure they can see in the telemetry, that the aim-assist is making no difference in the game.
Noobs still using Mass Drivers, Forge Guns, Grenades, Tanks, Turrets Instalations...
The only thing the aim-assist is doing is making Skilled players even more OP. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.09 10:49:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:We are not making decisions on aim assist yet. But we are discussing your feedback.
Well, i really hope this time you decided to listen to commonsense.
- Aim-assist stays, all NooB weapons have to go. - Aim-assist is remove, keep all the NooB weapons...maybe even add few more. |
Banning Hammer
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Posted - 2013.09.09 11:10:00 -
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Vin Mora wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:We are not making decisions on aim assist yet. But we are discussing your feedback. Well, i really hope this time you decided to listen to commonsense. - Aim-assist stays, all NooB weapons have to go. - Aim-assist is remove, keep all the NooB weapons...maybe even add few more. Except NooB weapons don't get aim assist. Splash weapons and Sniper Rifles don't get Aim Assist, in case you didn't know.
That is exactly my point. What is the point on having aim-assist, when the majority of good weapons don't need aiming?
Sniper rifle doesn't counts... it have actually become a Skilled weapon. Not as easy to use as some people thinks it is. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.09 11:26:00 -
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KGB Sleep wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:We are not making decisions on aim assist yet. But we are discussing your feedback. Thank you. I refer you to the Kotaku articles regarding community feedback. WoundedBum said, "I'd be interested to know how much interaction he feels a developer should have with the community during game development - obviously there needs to be communication between the two, but is it possible to have too much? Should the developers have a clear vision of what should and shouldn't be done in their game and tweak it accordingly, or should they be completely open to the communities wants and needs? It's interesting because with movies, the community has next to no input on what will be done, but with gaming it's a long development period and things can be more easily changed and affected."
Yes, it is absolutely possible to have too much community input in game development. Probably the scariest thing that can happen is that a developer will cater to the ultra-hardcore, super vocal community members. The problem is that these players usually do not represent the average player, and request things that don't appeal to most people.
For instance, we received a lot of useful feedback from the Hybrid beta. However, some things were just completely out of scope or were not what the game is about. There was someone petitioning for vehicles in the game, but that doesn't fit with Hybrid's design.
Also, during development, people don't necessarily know what they want until they see it. Henry Ford said it best: "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." Ultimately community input is very important, but like anything, moderation is best. We do this for a living, so trust us to make the best game possible!Source
But that is not how CCP does things, you want a Portable Nuclear Weapon ? No problem ! talk about it ALL the time, give lots of excuse to have one... and CCP will give you one. Why you think we are in this mess in the first place ? |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.09 11:34:00 -
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Vyzion Eyri wrote:Take this opportunity to further level the playing field, implement tiercide.
I would imagine tiercide will complement this new aim-assist very well, because:
Tiercide promotes ROLES which have strengths and also WEAKNESSES. This means players who play to their strengths are guaranteed improved performance, whilst not doing so leads to burning ISK for no good reason.
Since killing the enemy has always been a main objective even in Skirmish, aim assist alienates many because the style of killing has changed. Killing an enemy now comes down to position and, I daresay, teamwork and communication rather than bunny hopping and strafing.
Tiercide further pushes for this kind of play, since dropsuits are equalised. You NEED to think before making your move, or you risk dying for nothing.
Killing the enemy have always come down to who have the BIGGEST weapon...My BOON ! BOOM ! is better than yours !! And my Dropsuit is more shiny than yours !!
Aiming have NEVER been a important factor in Dust. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.09 13:05:00 -
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Vin Mora wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Vin Mora wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:We are not making decisions on aim assist yet. But we are discussing your feedback. Well, i really hope this time you decided to listen to commonsense. - Aim-assist stays, all NooB weapons have to go. - Aim-assist is remove, keep all the NooB weapons...maybe even add few more. Except NooB weapons don't get aim assist. Splash weapons and Sniper Rifles don't get Aim Assist, in case you didn't know. That is exactly my point. What is the point on having aim-assist, when the majority of good weapons don't need aiming? Sniper rifle doesn't counts... it have actually become a Skilled weapon. Not as easy to use as some people thinks it is. Because splash weapons don't need Aim assist, you have noticed that Mass Drovers are less common right? They didn't even nerf the stats, they made other weapons better, which indirectly nerfed the Mass Driver. If splash weapon got Aim Assist, they would be insanely OP.
Nah.. is just because all the scrubs are just using the aim-assist now, so practically no one is using the MD. Wait to the mouse users realize what they can do with it, you don't going to be saying the same thing soon. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.12 08:27:00 -
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cess-pool wrote:castba wrote:But why do we need aim assist at all? If you miss, then you should miss. Not have the game engine compensate for your ineptitude - aww here let me do that for you. Well done!
Mollycottled generation is just that. You would be slaughtered by mouse and keyboard
Mouse and Keyboard is going to slaughter you ? and me thinking that people played this game.
For the last time... A mouse and a Keyboard are Tools, that "everyone" in the game can use. You don't need lots of SP, or AUR, or lots of real cash, you don't need to be special, or a VIP, you don't need a different Console, or any extra equipment.
I just a ******* device that you can plug in your PS3, and use it. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.12 08:42:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:cess-pool wrote:castba wrote:But why do we need aim assist at all? If you miss, then you should miss. Not have the game engine compensate for your ineptitude - aww here let me do that for you. Well done!
Mollycottled generation is just that. You would be slaughtered by mouse and keyboard Mouse and Keyboard is going to slaughter you ? and me thinking that people played this game. For the last time... A mouse and a Keyboard are Tools, that "everyone" in the game can use. You don't need lots of SP, or AUR, or lots of real cash, you don't need to be special, or a VIP, you don't need a different Console, or any extra equipment. I just a ******* device that you can plug in your PS3, and use it. Exactly. Everyone I know that plays Dust 514 with Mouse and Keyboard says using it in 1.4 is absolutely terrible but then again, it's always been terrible. I tried it but honestly it still feels.... Bleh.
People forgets exactly that, mouse support in Dust have NEVER been right. It's just that some people got use to it faster than others ( for whatever reasons, not discussing that ) the same way as some people are better with the DS3 than others. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.12 10:25:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:
People forgets exactly that, mouse support in Dust have NEVER been right. It's just that some people got used to it faster than others ( for whatever reasons, not discussing that ) the same way as some people are better with the DS3 than others.
If there's a secret, let me know. I'd like to get back to MKB at some point.
Not really a secret. Just don't try to use the mouse as a mouse, instead try to use it as a Device for the PS3. A bit like a very accurate analog stick. I don't think is possible for CCP to make the mouse feel like a "mouse", because the PS3 limitations with it. |
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