Well, i really hope this time you decided to listen to commonsense.

- Aim-assist stays, all NooB weapons have to go.
- Aim-assist is remove, keep all the NooB weapons...maybe even add few more.

If every FPS developer and I mean Arma, socom, vegas, BF, ext was to listen too much to it's fan base, there would not be any of those franchises.

Those games are still massively played. But it's the devs who build the arena, get into the arena, and make changes accordingly. They take in there fans feedback, BUT TO A EXTENT.


MISTAKE NUMBER ONE WAS TRYING TO KEEP ITS BETA PLAYERS. That's MMO mentality.
Not one FPS game cares a rat's ass about keeping it's beta players. That was there for testing. testing is done, well so long. Sad, but yeah.

*But your a beta player*

I'm a FPS player. and keep a knowledge that FPS games are gladiator games. I want to understand the rules, but otherwise I'm here to fight.

As a fighter, I don't beg to change the rules. But do offer suggestions. as such should always be treated as that.

It's easy to view the fact that most devs don't listen to its player base as a "con". But you sure that it's not actually a "pro?"

They wouldn't be where they are now if it was actually a "con".

A REAL CON IS HAVING A NICHE GAME WITH ONLY 2000 PLAYERS. And that's just sad.

I just hope they still leave a little for the Laser Rifle AT LONG RANGES.

It can be a pain to mantain the laser on someone AT ITS OPTIMAL DAMAGE RANGE for more than 2-4 seconds to get some damage in... : /

OVer than at Optimal range i dont care a lot for aim assist anyways either.... (specially with weapons taht can already spray)
but you remove the AA, you get mass drivers again.so i don t know...)

They really need to take another look at it's fall off range...

AR Optimal: 40m
Falloff - well up to 100m

Laser Rifle Optimal: Around 65-70 if memory serves
Laser Rifle Falloff: 90m

100m+ and the Laser Rifle just dies in damage dealing. Anything less than optimal is the same way. Seems a little ridiculous imo.

We use sight lines, the rule set I discussed earlier, and general layouts to encourage effective game play from each role. Strategy and tactics entails using logic, and planning, coordination with others, effective dropsuit fittings, and weapons load-outs. What we are encouraging is "thinking".

ITT

Baddies who couldn't get a kill in 1.3 defend aimbot assist like it's their firstborn.

We are not making decisions on aim assist yet. But we are discussing your feedback.

Like, for real the fact that devs are already discussing changes to Aim Assist -FOUR DAYS- after it's implemented is abyssmal.

Honestly, why is it that we don't even have time to get used to certain things before we pull the plug on them? Tactical Assault Rifles had three weeks.

For real dude, it's insanely annoying when people complain on the forums about something being under-powered, it gets buffed and all of a sudden it's OP - to which we immediately pull the plug on it before anyone even has the opportunity to made legitimate comments instead of knee jerk QQ reactions.

You CANNOT accurately balance something unless you give it time to settle - you're just going to fluctuate between breaking things over and over again; bouncing back and forth between under powered and over powered until you maybe accidentally get it correctly three months later.

What does this solve, exactly, save for making a few terrible players happy?

Because it's not just Dust 514 that has this phenomenon.

Call of Duty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT2fuXnmNbQ
- Forum post: http://www.callofduty.com/thread/200733582#.UizwgsZwo7Y

Battlefield 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQxiECgBWAA
- Forum Post: http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/forum/threadview/2832654490116884663/

Halo Reach (cross hair off): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYrZvRy8x0w

Get real, it's like this in every game - only the players of Dust 514 know that the Devs will listen if they yell at their mailbox loud enough.

Before 1.4 - Some had good aim, others had poor aim. As a scout escape was a tactical option.

After 1.4 with aim assist - Virtually everyone is now a keen ranged marksman and can track like no other up close. HP tank is now much preferable over speed.

Now if we could strike a balance in-between that would be great.

Aim assist isn't the disease, it's a symptom.

Scouts were broken long before Aim Assist ever came into the picture but it certainly drove a long nail into the coffin of speed tanking.

They needed to implement cloaking ages ago - needed to buff Scouts ages ago - they needed to do -SOMETHING- ages ago. Now, Scouts can't even be considered a factor when balancing other things, especially not Aim Assist. A long time ago I did the math on tracking and proved that it was absolutely impossible to out-strafe another player at any range, even with a scout. So, unless you're sprinting out of their tracking range to get a microsecond firing window, it's a pointless endeavor no matter what.

They only thing they have going for them anymore is stealth and with TacNet gone, Active Scanners are taking precedence - meaning that it's far more difficult to successfully be "stealthy" on the field. Despite this, Logistics and Assault suits are more capable to do so as they have extended slot layouts which allow them to fit more complex profile dampeners and still retain a measure of survivability without sacrificing anything.

To top it off the bonuses are nigh useless, reduced profile isn't that big of a difference (as explained before) and the Gallente scout's increased scan range only works for him now that TacNet is gone.

Suffice to say, the best thing for the Scout at this point would be to just outright remove it and reimburse the SP to players so that they can explore other options. It's going to take months to get it into a feasible position and at that point we'll have seen the Pilot drop suit which would be a more prominent role for the frame.

Dumb video. If you made every game an equal playing feild the noobs would be REQUIRED to get better because they would have no choice. Things that make "skill" easier, are things that RUIN the ability for noobs to get better anyway.

When I played SOCOM, I didn't complain when I got raped, I simply tried 10x as hard to be come better, watched the best players play while I was dead and over time, became a Tier0 player myself. Noobing crap (aim- assist, noob-tubes, etc.), like welfare, only helps to further enslave the noobs to a life of perpetual mediocrity. MAN UP and grow your skills.

I couldn't agree more. I remember lots of request back in chromosome to give scouts a bit more CPU/PG so they can benefit from their 6 H/L slots. Well CCPs solution was to remove 1 slot H/L + 1 Equipmentslot.

Now regarding the bonus, the 5% profiledampening isn't all that bad and the 5% damage boost to Nova knifes is nice but highly situational. The scanradius bonus of the gallente was a bad joke right from the beginning because every suit started with 10 m scanradius. Now with the removal of teamview CCP completely removed the role of the gallente scout as he can't get any use of his crappy bonus. Now there is no longer any benefit...from beeing a scout

I was complaining about how sniping doesn't work the same way anymore.
Here's what CCP LogicLoop told me, and as much as it bugs me to admit, he/she was 100% correct:


We were discussing sniping, but it's interesting to note that "each role" was said.
You need to "think more" when you go into a fight now, and this definitely applies to VETERAN players.
Basically, ALL of us, need to HTFU.

The old ways of running matches are gone, and GOOD riddance.
Snipers don't have total domination over certain maps anymore. + Assaults don't have the freedom to run around in the open and strafe shoot with reckless abandon anymore.

Two things that were breaking the game for a lot of people have been fixed.

And isn't a thinking shooter what everyone was after to begin with?
I personally don't care about AA either way, all I care about is the end result being more emphasis on strategy and forcing the effective use of cover for survival.

Snipers have the same aim assist. In fact they have had it all along. There is a "drag" when they pass over an enemy that was present before 1.4. That is why snipers don't say anything about AA.

Splash weapons need AA? GTFO.

One more thing, WHAT THE F ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Suffice to say, the best thing for the Scout at this point would be to just outright remove it and reimburse the SP to players so that they can explore other options. It's going to take months to get it into a feasible position and at that point we'll have seen the Pilot drop suit which would be a more prominent role for the frame.

Like, for real the fact that devs are already discussing changes to Aim Assist -FOUR DAYS- after it's implemented is abyssmal.

Honestly, why is it that we don't even have time to get used to certain things before we pull the plug on them? Tactical Assault Rifles had three weeks.

For real dude, it's insanely annoying when people complain on the forums about something being under-powered, it gets buffed and all of a sudden it's OP - to which we immediately pull the plug on it before anyone even has the opportunity to made legitimate comments instead of knee jerk QQ reactions.

You CANNOT accurately balance something unless you give it time to settle - you're just going to fluctuate between breaking things over and over again; bouncing back and forth between under powered and over powered until you maybe accidentally get it correctly three months later.

What does this solve, exactly, save for making a few terrible players happy?

Because it's not just Dust 514 that has this phenomenon.

Call of Duty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT2fuXnmNbQ
- Forum post: http://www.callofduty.com/thread/200733582#.UizwgsZwo7Y

Battlefield 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQxiECgBWAA
- Forum Post: http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/forum/threadview/2832654490116884663/

Halo Reach (cross hair off): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYrZvRy8x0w

Get real, it's like this in every game - only the players of Dust 514 know that the Devs will listen if they yell at their mailbox loud enough.

@celesta. You do know that this will never be a free roaming game right? Game is already made. and anything added to it, will be in the confines of a.... wait for it... LOBBY SHOOTER. You can P.I.S.S. in the cup all you want, but it will never taste like apple juice.


But right now This is the player number count

*but school started!*

Yeah.. just like "It's summer" It's almost fall now. then what reasons will people use for the player count?

2000 player niche game. eve players will have their wish.


Winter is coming lads. And for dust it's going to be a long cold one. But to those that will stay to bare it, may the force be with you.

It's funny, we get a good mechanic like strafing (by accident) and everyone raised hell for a hot fix. When we get a powerful aim-assist and hit boxes the size of barns, you want things to settle. Pathetic.

You can't out-Call of Duty Call of Duty.

But why do we need aim assist at all?
If you miss, then you should miss. Not have the game engine compensate for your ineptitude - aww here let me do that for you. Well done!

Mollycottled generation is just that.