oh now look what camp is QQing..

"the tear jar the tear jar the tear jar"

fgts crying because they're crutch is being removed.. now go tell the vets to QQ some more about aim assist- oh wait never mind. they already did and CCP saw the err in their ways.

no one will play/is playing this niche game if CCP doesnt do something about the aim bot you noobs are so in love with

They're not removing it, just nerfing it. God stop whining.

But why do we need aim assist at all?
If you miss, then you should miss. Not have the game engine compensate for your ineptitude - aww here let me do that for you. Well done!

Mollycottled generation is just that.

Pretty sure aim assistance existed in the earliest days of shooters like wolfenstein 3d and doom 1.

We are not making decisions on aim assist yet. But we are discussing your feedback.

Like, for real the fact that devs are already discussing changes to Aim Assist -FOUR DAYS- after it's implemented is abyssmal..

We are not making decisions on aim assist yet. But we are discussing your feedback.

We are not making decisions on aim assist yet. But we are discussing your feedback.

Well, i really hope this time you decided to listen to commonsense.

- Aim-assist stays, all NooB weapons have to go.
- Aim-assist is remove, keep all the NooB weapons...maybe even add few more.

Except NooB weapons don't get aim assist. Splash weapons and Sniper Rifles don't get Aim Assist, in case you didn't know.

Except NooB weapons don't get aim assist. Splash weapons and Sniper Rifles don't get Aim Assist, in case you didn't know.

oh now look what camp is QQing..

"the tear jar the tear jar the tear jar"

fgts crying because they're crutch is being removed.. now go tell the vets to QQ some more about aim assist- oh wait never mind. they already did and CCP saw the err in their ways.

no one will play/is playing this niche game if CCP doesnt do something about the aim bot you noobs are so in love with

We are not making decisions on aim assist yet. But we are discussing your feedback.

Thank you.

I refer you to the Kotaku articles regarding community feedback.

WoundedBum said, "I'd be interested to know how much interaction he feels a developer should have with the community during game development - obviously there needs to be communication between the two, but is it possible to have too much? Should the developers have a clear vision of what should and shouldn't be done in their game and tweak it accordingly, or should they be completely open to the communities wants and needs? It's interesting because with movies, the community has next to no input on what will be done, but with gaming it's a long development period and things can be more easily changed and affected."

Yes, it is absolutely possible to have too much community input in game development. Probably the scariest thing that can happen is that a developer will cater to the ultra-hardcore, super vocal community members. The problem is that these players usually do not represent the average player, and request things that don't appeal to most people.

For instance, we received a lot of useful feedback from the Hybrid beta. However, some things were just completely out of scope or were not what the game is about. There was someone petitioning for vehicles in the game, but that doesn't fit with Hybrid's design.

Also, during development, people don't necessarily know what they want until they see it. Henry Ford said it best: "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." Ultimately community input is very important, but like anything, moderation is best. We do this for a living, so trust us to make the best game possible!

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Pretty sure aim assistance existed in the earliest days of shooters like wolfenstein 3d and doom 1.

Take this opportunity to further level the playing field, implement tiercide.

I would imagine tiercide will complement this new aim-assist very well, because:

Tiercide promotes ROLES which have strengths and also WEAKNESSES. This means players who play to their strengths are guaranteed improved performance, whilst not doing so leads to burning ISK for no good reason.

Since killing the enemy has always been a main objective even in Skirmish, aim assist alienates many because the style of killing has changed. Killing an enemy now comes down to position and, I daresay, teamwork and communication rather than bunny hopping and strafing.

Tiercide further pushes for this kind of play, since dropsuits are equalised. You NEED to think before making your move, or you risk dying for nothing.

But that is not how CCP does things, you want a Portable Nuclear Weapon ? No problem ! talk about it ALL the time, give lots of excuse to have one... and CCP will give you one. Why you think we are in this mess in the first place ?

Killing the enemy have always come down to who have the BIGGEST weapon...My BOON ! BOOM ! is better than yours !! And my Dropsuit is more shiny than yours !!

Aiming have NEVER been a important factor in Dust.

Aiming have NEVER been a important factor in Dust.

Having assorted devs communicating with us as they do sometimes shows their lack of communication and vision between each other. This just makes us upset and we then lose confidence that they're going to be able to do a good job.

It's not often the devs talk directly to a community that uses their product, it's usually some sort of product director. Not sure DUST 514 has one, but if it does, I think it would be good for them to be involved talking to us all the time. It's nice to have devs talk too though, don't misunderstand!

If we understood the vision for DUST 514, now and future, things like whether or not the aim-assist and other polarising gameplay mechanics or weapons are working as intended might be clearer.

I for one don't like the aim-assist, and that's because I like to be in control, not the computer. I also feel we're dying *way* too fast. That said, if DUST 514 is supposed to have it and it is working as intended, I can decide whether or not this is the sort of game I want to play knowing what it's trying to be.

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TL;DR

DUST 514 needs a product director to be continuously communicating about the game's vision, past, present and future, and which mechanics / weapons are working as intended. That should give us confidence about where it's going.