DUST Search - people who are skilled at dust do not enjoy the game anymore

Exmaple Core wrote:

Because of aimbot, one day has passed and the vets already hate dust. We dont want to play this game when everyone is just as good as us because of an aim assist, that is not earned. Our millions of SP ahead of other players is now nonfactored because it only takes an AR to kill you now that they have near perfect accuracy, the delema only amplified with reduced strafe speed. The only way to play now is to stack EHP and outlast the enemy as you both kill each other almost instantly. Then after you win that gunfight, you loose your second because your almost dead.

some ppl say this game is now better because "it is forcing ppl to use tactics and cover"
You dont need aimbot to use tactics and cover, i dont understand how those in favor of aimbot can say this is a valid argument. This is an FPS, it should be assumed we are already using tactics and cover, expescially the better players of the game. No, we would not call ourselfs skilled if we did not use our brains and surroundings. The only difference with aimbot is its easier to shoot above or around the cover your hiding behind.

Dust has always been a game that rewards the skilled and intelligent players and those who have the most SP. Why should we set everyone on the same playing feild, setting everyone on par with everyone? Now, you do not need skill to play the game and it is okay if you are not as skilled as a player as the guy your shooting, the aim ''assist" will kill him as quickly as he kills you.

Yes, im saying someone with 4 mill SP and 2 months of playing time should continue to get blown away by someone with 22 mill SP and 10 months of gungame experience. The person with more experience has better aim, uses cover more efficiently, and has better gear than the noob but they come out almost even on gunfights. Is that balanced? It was before, when you, youknow. needed skill to win???

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TEBOW BAGGINS The Corporate Raiders 962	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:21:00 - [241] - Quote it's like we're now playing a very bad version of DCUO
TEBOW BAGGINS The Corporate Raiders 962	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:31:00 - [242] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: Michael Arck wrote: [quote=TheAmazing FlyingPig]Sooo... just how many of these threads are you going to make? This. How does one who claim to be skillful cannot beat the ones who uses aim assist? That just mean that your reckless, "I am god with the aiming" playstyle must be adjusted. What will you do? Will you cry and moan? Or will you adapt and overcome? So how come they don't have a problem with it but you do? because they were given a crutch, a small niche of noobs rejoice at this crutch while every other normal console FPSer looks on in disgust both in and out of dust
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 48	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:35:00 - [243] - Quote I don't know if I am skilled or not, I will leave that to others to decide.... But part of what attracted me to this game was the slow TTK. Never really enjoyed COD or the newer BF games for that reason. And the new patch seems more COD like to me....which is bad news from where I sit. The good news is that CCP seems to be listening and reacting, so I expect they will get past this...
Bethhy Ancient Exiles 82	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:38:00 - [244] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: I don't know if I am skilled or not, I will leave that to others to decide.... But part of what attracted me to this game was the slow TTK. Never really enjoyed COD or the newer BF games for that reason. And the new patch seems more COD like to me....which is bad news from where I sit. The good news is that CCP seems to be listening and reacting, so I expect they will get past this...in the mean time I will continue to play and enjoy the game even if I am dying a bit more lately....Lead Either that or get another storage database to hold all the forum post's, mainly over one thing.
Tek Hound Death In Xcess Corporation 52	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:40:00 - [245] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: it's like we're now playing a very bad version of DCUO Nope dust is still better than dcuo .
Dimmu Borgir II Consolidated Dust 110	Posted - 2013.09.05 21:50:00 - [246] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: I am a vet of almost 2 years with 12 million sp, don't speak for me the higher the RoF the more the sticky glue aiming helps, so the sticky should be lowered from 50% to 30% on lasers and HMG/ARs, while staying the same for pistols and other small weapons. It's not game breaking... then speak for yourself. Go on He did speak for himself but unlike you, he didn't use 600 words where 6 would suffice - your post could have read - 1. Waaah 2. Waaah 3. Waaaah 4. Aimbot 5. Baaaad! 6. Waaaah
semperfi1999 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 848	Posted - 2013.09.05 22:01:00 - [247] - Quote Dimmu Borgir II wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: I am a vet of almost 2 years with 12 million sp, don't speak for me the higher the RoF the more the sticky glue aiming helps, so the sticky should be lowered from 50% to 30% on lasers and HMG/ARs, while staying the same for pistols and other small weapons. It's not game breaking... then speak for yourself. Go on He did speak for himself but unlike you, he didn't use 600 words where 6 would suffice - your post could have read - 1. Waaah 2. Waaah 3. Waaaah 4. Aimbot 5. Baaaad! 6. Waaaah I do enjoy the endless posts of scrubs acting like they are awesome at this game and talking down to the player who bash their heads in so hard in game that they now eat out of their butts.......
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1154	Posted - 2013.09.05 22:02:00 - [248] - Quote I take back what I said earlier. There's no point in running anything other than blueprints. This in combination of 2/3rd of your squad not making into battle and running with randoms makes it unplayable.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 285	Posted - 2013.09.05 22:35:00 - [249] - Quote I'm still waiting for aim assist to make me good at this game, it hasn't yet as I'm still the mediocre at best 1 KDR player I was before Tuesday. Its hardly scientific evidence I will grant you. The only change I have noticed since Tuesday is that I seem to die faster, but then again so does anyone I shoot at as more rounds are registering for everyone. IMHO that makes it a wash and hardly game breaking
Sollemnis Aelinos 89th Infantry Division 95	Posted - 2013.09.05 22:37:00 - [250] - Quote or maybe its because im having to much fun playing FFXIV right now XD

RejectedUsername The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 27	Posted - 2013.09.05 22:46:00 - [251] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Because of aimbot, one day has passed and the vets already hate dust. We dont want to play this game when everyone is just as good as us because of an aim assist, that is not earned. Our millions of SP ahead of other players is now nonfactored because it only takes an AR to kill you now that they have near perfect accuracy, the delema only amplified with reduced strafe speed. The only way to play now is to stack EHP and outlast the enemy as you both kill each other almost instantly. Then after you win that gunfight, you loose your second because your almost dead. some ppl say this game is now better because "it is forcing ppl to use tactics and cover" You dont need aimbot to use tactics and cover, i dont understand how those in favor of aimbot can say this is a valid argument. This is an FPS, it should be assumed we are already using tactics and cover, expescially the better players of the game. No, we would not call ourselfs skilled if we did not use our brains and surroundings. The only difference with aimbot is its easier to shoot above or around the cover your hiding behind. Dust has always been a game that rewards the skilled and intelligent players and those who have the most SP. Why should we set everyone on the same playing feild, setting everyone on par with everyone? Now, you do not need skill to play the game and it is okay if you are not as skilled as a player as the guy your shooting, the aim ''assist" will kill him as quickly as he kills you. Yes, im saying someone with 4 mill SP and 2 months of playing time should continue to get blown away by someone with 22 mill SP and 10 months of gungame experience. The person with more experience has better aim, uses cover more efficiently, and has better gear than the noob but they come out almost even on gunfights. Is that balanced? It was before, when you, youknow. needed skill to win??? I do agree on most of these points especially the ones on proto stomping. However I was hoping Dust would be more like eve in the sense that even new players (who knew what they were doing ) could still go up against pro players. I think the easiest way to fix this in the current set up is lowering the sp requirements for suits but raising them for proficiency skills.
Dimmu Borgir II Consolidated Dust 112	Posted - 2013.09.05 22:48:00 - [252] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Dimmu Borgir II wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: I am a vet of almost 2 years with 12 million sp, don't speak for me the higher the RoF the more the sticky glue aiming helps, so the sticky should be lowered from 50% to 30% on lasers and HMG/ARs, while staying the same for pistols and other small weapons. It's not game breaking... then speak for yourself. Go on He did speak for himself but unlike you, he didn't use 600 words where 6 would suffice - your post could have read - 1. Waaah 2. Waaah 3. Waaaah 4. Aimbot 5. Baaaad! 6. Waaaah I do enjoy the endless posts of scrubs acting like they are awesome at this game and talking down to the player who bash their heads in so hard in game that they now eat out of their butts....... Hahahahahahaha I'm really glad you enjoy them, that's because we "scrubs/noobs/newbs/newberries" are fresh and young to the game and haven't gone stale and impotent like you guys clearly have! But to be frank, I personally get really bored by reading the endless, pointless and depressing posts from some of you self-important and self-proclaimed "vets". Newsflash - It's people just like you that are ruining this game for the majority of people, noobs and vets alike
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 207	Posted - 2013.09.05 22:48:00 - [253] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Dimmu Borgir II wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: I am a vet of almost 2 years with 12 million sp, don't speak for me the higher the RoF the more the sticky glue aiming helps, so the sticky should be lowered from 50% to 30% on lasers and HMG/ARs, while staying the same for pistols and other small weapons. It's not game breaking... then speak for yourself. Go on He did speak for himself but unlike you, he didn't use 600 words where 6 would suffice - your post could have read - 1. Waaah 2. Waaah 3. Waaaah 4. Aimbot 5. Baaaad! 6. Waaaah I do enjoy the endless posts of scrubs acting like they are awesome at this game and talking down to the player who bash their heads in so hard in game that they now eat out of their butts....... Actually semper I have to ask you a question, has your kdr gone up or down, I have turned aim assist off, I didn't feel like I needed it, and my kdr has gone up! Consistently, yes the ttk is to high, but only a little, 20% longer would be perfect, your health is still important, and my recative plate has saved me more times than I care to admit. The game is faster paced, yet more tactical at the same time, soloing just doesnt work anymore, nor should it, you have to think further than you can see!! Someti es its a little too quick, you need the oppurtunity to get to cover when caught out, but there havenbeen instances where my team and I have been ambushed by as many as 10 people, but we were prepared, we counter flanked them! This is what dust is meant to be, this change has been for the better, if you dont like the game anymore, well Im sorry to say this to you but HTFU!! Ive never felt the need to say it before but its time to adapt, before you get left behind!!
Rinzler XVII Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 67	Posted - 2013.09.05 23:09:00 - [254] - Quote YAWN Me want to pubstomp new players coz me play 1st ... Dude this game is solely based on gear .. me have duvolle u have miltia AR me win .. yeah .. that takes skill ... when i used to sneak up behind u and empty a clip into the back of your head b4 you'd even realised i was there and then turn around and kill me in 3 hits purely because you have more sp than me .. umm .. what takes more skill flanking and attacking you from behind or being caught out yet surviving coz of the sp you have hmmm ???? Fact is you've relied on your gear for too long, you still have the advantage only now we can actually hit you so your moving left and right doesnt make you immune to bullets and you now take the damage you should have always taken ... someone went 9 - 8 in a proto suit when I went 8-3 in militia .. the hate I got when i mailed him saying lol how did you die so much with all that proto stuff on was epic .. come at me 1v1 noob ... funny thing is .. i did and killed him 4 times because he was busy ADS someone else whilst i snuck up behind him xD If you play liek an idiot then not even the best gear should save you .. if New Eden really is as harsh as you vets claim then why are you upset that your getting killed more ??? If you use expensive gear in meaningless games and get killed .. tough luck
Sollemnis Aelinos 89th Infantry Division 95	Posted - 2013.09.05 23:15:00 - [255] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: YAWN Me want to pubstomp new players coz me play 1st ... Dude this game is solely based on gear .. me have duvolle u have miltia AR me win .. yeah .. that takes skill ... when i used to sneak up behind u and empty a clip into the back of your head b4 you'd even realised i was there and then turn around and kill me in 3 hits purely because you have more sp than me .. umm .. what takes more skill flanking and attacking you from behind or being caught out yet surviving coz of the sp you have hmmm ???? Fact is you've relied on your gear for too long, you still have the advantage only now we can actually hit you so your moving left and right doesnt make you immune to bullets and you now take the damage you should have always taken ... someone went 9 - 8 in a proto suit when I went 8-3 in militia .. the hate I got when i mailed him saying lol how did you die so much with all that proto stuff on was epic .. come at me 1v1 noob ... funny thing is .. i did and killed him 4 times because he was busy ADS someone else whilst i snuck up behind him xD If you play liek an idiot then not even the best gear should save you .. if New Eden really is as harsh as you vets claim then why are you upset that your getting killed more ??? If you use expensive gear in meaningless games and get killed .. tough luck hence is why i use nova knives
SERPENT-Adamapple Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 163	Posted - 2013.09.05 23:26:00 - [256] - Quote People who use M/KB do not enjoy dust anymore. Fixed. I used DS since the beginning of open beta and I said it before and I'll say it again, AA helps beginners with sloppy aim have a chance to compete, and makes vets like me go into beast godly mode.
Slaytanical Chaotik Serenity 24	Posted - 2013.09.06 00:16:00 - [257] - Quote OP is full of poop i am sorry........ a few reasons. 1. Aim assist has something called an on or off switch. learn it love it use it. 2. if you have such "godly" skills turn AA off? do not use it and pretend it never happened. 3. i think if AA has done anything at all..... it has crushed your ever so fragile EPEEN. And moar newberrys are taggin that azz with help of aim assist. 4. AA has affected the ability of your corp and goonsquads to lolwtf proto / pub stomp noobs with less than 4 mil sp. 5. i have used the aim assist..... it is not horrible and not gamebreaking for sure. i have 17 mil sp i dont care if i get tagged more now by noobs using AA ... im fine with it ! wanna know why? read next line slowly. 6. K/D RATIO IN DUST IS A USELESS STAT THAT MEANS ABSOLUTLEY NADA! 7. Noobs need a chance too man... have you rolled a new merc recently? once out of the academy man omfg it is brutal. 8. read 1-7 again enoungh with aim assist has destroyed DUST allready....... the need to start selling kleenex for AUR in the marketplace for some of you big bad "Skilled" crybaby mercs...... if you were as good as ya say you are AA would be a moot point. o7
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 159	Posted - 2013.09.06 00:21:00 - [258] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: I am skilled at Dust and still enjoy it, because the aimbot is by far not as bad as many people think it is. >skilled at dust >in TEST pick one and only one. All of TEST EVE and dust are scrubs.
GRIM GEAR The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 25	Posted - 2013.09.06 00:39:00 - [259] - Quote I have not noticed much of a difference between 1.3 and 1.4 my scout suits still get shredded to pieces when someone looks at me; Yes the hit detection has been fixed yes you should expect to die faster now, all the bullets that actually hit you now do damage instead of half of them not detecting like in 1.3. I think you need a reality check go get some harden up pills.
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 317	Posted - 2013.09.06 00:43:00 - [260] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: "our milliions of sp" lol i dont understand what is so funny about have millions of sp over the enemy and hardly being better than them due to an aim assist then use skills and intelligence

Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. 94	Posted - 2013.09.06 00:58:00 - [261] - Quote I consider myself to have above average skill. How far above average, I don't know. But I'm still having lots of fun and enjoy the game now more than ever.
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 27	Posted - 2013.09.06 01:34:00 - [262] - Quote I'm not too worried because I really think they will adjust it soon. They are going to listen to players who Know what they are talking about and not to everyone defending aim assist since you couldn't aim for **** before. The funniest part is anyone who wants it changed or removed gets flamed by you guys LOL really??? It only goes to show exactly how dependant on this mechanic you have become. Its obvious you NEED aim assist since you bad mouth anyone who disagrees with you.
Dust LAG-LAG-LAG-LAG 514 Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 65	Posted - 2013.09.06 01:37:00 - [263] - Quote aim assist has flattened the skill curve everybody has the equivelant of MAX SKILLZ now so skilled players are punished for their skills because their advantages (rightfully enjoyed) are taken away
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1559	Posted - 2013.09.06 01:37:00 - [264] - Quote If the aim assist (not aim bot) removed the skill from Dust, as the thread title suggests, then wouldn't all the players equally as well as each other? Why is it then that even in a group of total blue berries I see people outperforming others? I'm sorry pub stompers, there's more to skill than just aiming. "Children of Amarr, Beloved of God Do not fear the dark heavens The stars are a sign unto you To bring the Light to dark places And so many wondrous lights we carry Illuminating peoples and worlds Know that our empire is holy Set apart for an immortal destiny Stand true, Children of Amarr Let the rays of our enlightenment Shine ever before the Almighty." Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Malek McRoland DUST University Ivy League 36	Posted - 2013.09.06 01:52:00 - [265] - Quote Like many have said, AA has not hurt the game. If you guys want to keep stomping simply because of 'vet' status....please. We know you guys have been around a lot, and have some of the best gear/skills in the game. HOWEVER, it is not your right to say what should help the noobs. Aim assist makes vet players better, but it now helps the newer players not give up on this game so fast. So HTFU, stop complaining noobs have a 'crutch'( really all the players in closed beta got a crutch when the SP got reinbursed in Uprising, not erased. Munch on that).
Dust LAG-LAG-LAG-LAG 514 Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 69	Posted - 2013.09.06 01:55:00 - [266] - Quote Malek McRoland wrote: Aim assist makes vet players better, but it now helps the newer players not give up on this game so fast. before: good players = good aim noobs = bad aim now: good players = good aim noobs = good aim the skill game is dead AA killed it there is NO JUSTIFICATION
Malek McRoland DUST University Ivy League 36	Posted - 2013.09.06 02:00:00 - [267] - Quote Shoot them in the head!!! Problem solved. And the skill game isn't dead; vets still play much better than noobs.
Sylvana Nightwind Expert Intervention Caldari State 500	Posted - 2013.09.06 07:06:00 - [268] - Quote Sylvana Nightwind wrote: Crazy idea: turn off aim assist. I guess nobody reads this.
Gods Architect SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 370	Posted - 2013.09.06 07:36:00 - [269] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: I am a vet of almost 2 years with 12 million sp, don't speak for me the higher the RoF the more the sticky glue aiming helps, so the sticky should be lowered from 50% to 30% on lasers and HMG/ARs, while staying the same for pistols and other small weapons. It's not game breaking... 2 years and 12 mil sp, thats it? Damn, go home
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Top Men. 1285	Posted - 2013.09.06 08:09:00 - [270] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Stuff I disagree with... again. I'm a vet. I don't give a flying crap about aim assist for or against. none of the weapons I use benefit from aim assist, and bluntly I don't care if a nub with an exile can actually kill me. TTK shortening annoys me not one damn bit. There is one thing I absolutely adore however, is that aim assist (combined with working hit detection) has eliminated the viability of the bunny hop and wobbling back and forth like an epileptic drunk. this tickles me a lot. I'll suck up the people having an easier time hitting me if it means everyone else has to learn how to use cover, and not depend on rapid-strafing and bunny hopping to take advantage of faulty hit detection. I hate to break it to you children, but both tactics take advantage of faulty hit detection which lowers the damage absorbed by you, the chump doing it. Since CCP's weapons are hitscan (this was established long ago) you can no longer take advantage of said thing working any longer because you are no longer "stepping through" incoming fire, and lag isn't interfering with hits as much. I tested the aim assist, on you. it does not pull the damn crosshair. It does not follow a strafer. it creates a tendency for the bullets to tighten up wherever you are a bit. Bluntly there's little to no difference between me aiming and the controller aiming as far as my tendency to live/die in an engagement. But all of my bullets are hitting you when I ADS. Let's think about the implications of that for a second. When I use ADS, your dropsuit freaking MELTS because all of my hits are registering. My forge doesn't direct-hit as much because hit detection says that the shot actually passed a millimeter in front of you and singed your pubes instead of slop-balling it into your kidney when I was leading you. If hit detection was still ass, then there would be no bitching except the habitual whines that come from a small subset of players who absolutely CANNOT STAND the idea that anyone else should be able to meet them on an even keel and stand an actual chance much less being given a "crutch" to improve their performance somewhat. I butcher you stinking tryhards all the time. my KDR is 1.1 and I artificially deflate it just because I hate you all because of the elitist attitude you bring to DUST and I don't want you to try and recruit me. If you hate the game because you are now subject to the same rules of the rest of us? The door is over there. Get the hell out. I'm telling every single DS3 nub we recruit, and in local to turn aim assist off to **** you off even more and inspire you all to get out. TL;DR: The game will be far more entertaining, dynamic and fluid without you. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.



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