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Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
165
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:19:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Im just annoyed that before i would excel with the SMG's because i knew how and WHEN to use the sight,and when to spray.
As it is now i really never need to aim.All bullets will hit and i can move faster.
Its really a shame...I dont feel very ''skilled'' using SMGs now....
My K-D ratio WILL go up,and im not happy about it because i know that its not me getting better.... Too weird? I liked your post and all, but why do you always use bold? |
Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
94
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:19:00 -
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Did you ever considered new player experience on this game? Before 1.4 came out you barely could do anything cause every 1 else has better guns, better suits, better equipment etc. and on top of it there was the stupid fast strafing to sponge bullets. Lets be honest most people who claim themself as "vets" are mad cause strafing doesnt work as good anymore. You need faster reaction time and get your gun up quicker then the enemy. If you fail to do that then you obviously die. "Vets" claim that the game got worse, i say the new player experience got much better cause the n00bs aint just gunfodder anymore which means that new players dont just turn away from the game after 3 matches of constantly getting pwnd. |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
793
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:19:00 -
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You know, what do you think CCP wants?
2 new guys who like the aiming, or 1 vet?
If you don't like the fact that sensitivity slows when on target (Which BTW, is all it does), then tough luck. New guys will like it, and that's all any game Dev gives a a **** about. Keep old farts around who don't need to spend money on our game, or a bunch over new guys that do want to spend money on the game.
Vets are a secondary thing to cater too, new guys are always first.
And they like it. |
Shruikan Iceeye
Brotherhood of Seals
22
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:20:00 -
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Alina Heart wrote:Patrick57 wrote:IRuby Heart wrote:If you think players are now as equally skilled as you or you find yourself having Trouble putting up the numbers you used to, maybe....just maybe you're not as good as you thought. Or maybe people didn't have aim assist back then so playing the game actually required skill. Aim Assist cannot replace skill. I've played the game without aim assist ever since beta. I've tried playing with aim assist on tonight to see what all the fuss is about. Honestly, this "Aimbot" dilemma is exactly what I thought it was when I first read about it, BS. Nothing even remotely close to what is being described in these QQ threads I have found to be true. hence I've turned my Aim assist back off since I'm used to playing Dust without it. Aim Assist is there to do and works exactly as it says, assist. Not Kill. Those that are truly better than me will kill me, Those that aren't will die, regardless if they have aim assist on or not. If you think otherwise than sorry, you aren't as skilled as you thought, Time to HTFU. ^^Objective Analysis^^
very rare on ze internets |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
816
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:21:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Im just annoyed that before i would excel with the SMG's because i knew how and WHEN to use the sight,and when to spray.
As it is now i really never need to aim.All bullets will hit and i can move faster.
Its really a shame...I dont feel very ''skilled'' using SMGs now....
My K-D ratio WILL go up,and im not happy about it because i know that its not me getting better.... Too weird? I liked your post and all, but why do you always use bold?
Simple my friend. It helps me recognize my post in a long thread easier and look for any responses.
(because im a little blind :3 ) |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
165
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:22:00 -
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Chad Michael Murray wrote:Yep, hit detection is probably the real "culprit."
I do about the same now as I did pre-1.4 and I have aim-assist turned off. All the QQ threads are people just realizing they aren't as good as they originally thought. Sorry, better stock up on tissues. I guess you don't get it
IF we could do better before, why are we all put on the same playing field?
Now, aim assist and hit detection are screwing up all the vets. Is it fair that noobs are using aim assist as a crutch so that they can win most gunfights? |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
165
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:24:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:You know, what do you think CCP wants?
2 new guys who like the aiming, or 1 vet?
If you don't like the fact that sensitivity slows when on target (Which BTW, is all it does), then tough luck. New guys will like it, and that's all any game Dev gives a a **** about. Keep old farts around who don't need to spend money on our game, or a bunch over new guys that do want to spend money on the game.
Vets are a secondary thing to cater too, new guys are always first.
And they like it. In my recent experience, it also pulls your aim into the enemy. |
Chad Michael Murray
The Phoenix Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:26:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Chad Michael Murray wrote:Yep, hit detection is probably the real "culprit."
I do about the same now as I did pre-1.4 and I have aim-assist turned off. All the QQ threads are people just realizing they aren't as good as they originally thought. Sorry, better stock up on tissues. I guess you don't get it IF we could do better before, why are we all put on the same playing field? Now, aim assist and hit detection are screwing up all the vets. Is it fair that noobs are using aim assist as a crutch so that they can win most gunfights?
Unsure on what I'm not getting... but look at it this way. If I, personally, am doing just the same prior to the so-called "aim bot" being put in the game and others are being killed by "noobs" were you/they that good to begin with? Don't get me wrong, I'm not implying I'm a big bad monster or anything, my k/d is only a little above 2.0 but the fact still stands; I do just as well before changes and I don't even use the aim assist. Why aren't you/they pulling out the same numbers? |
Shruikan Iceeye
Brotherhood of Seals
22
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:27:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:You know, what do you think CCP wants?
2 new guys who like the aiming, or 1 vet?
If you don't like the fact that sensitivity slows when on target (Which BTW, is all it does), then tough luck. New guys will like it, and that's all any game Dev gives a a **** about. Keep old farts around who don't need to spend money on our game, or a bunch over new guys that do want to spend money on the game.
Vets are a secondary thing to cater too, new guys are always first.
And they like it. In my recent experience, it also pulls your aim into the enemy. This affect is soo minimal though, if your sweep past the enemy you keep going lol you dont stop on em |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
816
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:32:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:Did you ever considered new player experience on this game? Before 1.4 came out you barely could do anything cause every 1 else has better guns, better suits, better equipment etc. and on top of it there was the stupid fast strafing to sponge bullets. Lets be honest most people who claim themself as "vets" are mad cause strafing doesnt work as good anymore. You need faster reaction time and get your gun up quicker then the enemy. If you fail to do that then you obviously die. "Vets" claim that the game got worse, i say the new player experience got much better cause the n00bs aint just gunfodder anymore which means that new players dont just turn away from the game after 3 matches of constantly getting pwnd.
''Did you ever considered new player experience on this game? ''
When i was a new player i got steamrolled, anad i liked it bacuse i knew some day i would be able to do the same.Be that guy that can go 35-2 in a game. I toughened it up and now im here. Im NOT a ''vet'' , nor ''pro'' ,but the fact the game was hard as shiat was the real incentive on playing it.
''....op of it there was the stupid fast strafing to sponge bullets.'' Thanks to the removal of this scouts are night unusable now.
''e n00bs aint just gunfodder anymore which means that new players dont just turn away from the game after 3 matches of constantly getting pwnd'' Noobs are gun fodder ALWAYS.You can have 15+ mill and still be a noob. Or have 1 mil and be a good player. The only difference is that the good player went 8-2 in a game and now he goes 16-4....And later on he will go 30-6... When i started playing DUST i thought The MLT AR was a powerful weapon i was entitled since i started playing as an ''enforcer'' and when i discovered that the Assault rifle had 60 bullets i was shocked and i would do really good. Point is. The problem of with aim assists in not ''vets'' getting killed, but the fact aim assist is a stealthy nerf to Heavies and Scouts. Here is why:
MED FRAMES: Have decent/High speed and decent/high armor. Good shield regen and damage output. They are balanced,and there by they have the advantage. The first one to shoot wins. BUT no only this is brain-dead ,because even if the most skilled player wins he will still be heavily damaged and the next scrub will take you down, doesnt matter your skill,he wont miss and even if you dont either he has the HP advantage.
Light Frames: WHATS the point of being speedy if bullets literally follow you? Plus you cant even whithstand a small AR burst.
Heavies: Yup,they have high EHP but the lack of mobility is now even worse.Just by peeking out from behind a wall i would get 700 damage from a lot of reds spamming in my general direction,while before 1.4, i would only get 100. 100 to 700 is a BIG difference....
CCP you made a mistake here. We love you and there by i'll tell you this:
HIT DETECTION fix =/= Uber Aim Assist |
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
6097
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:35:00 -
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Literally =/= Figuratively
Oh, and
Kyou kyou |
Eno Raef
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
74
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:41:00 -
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By the OP's ideas that a 22million SP player should always defeat the 4 million SP players, the player base would likely not grow if new players can't have fun due to being able to compete against everyone. Players that destroyed clones easily before 1.4's aim assist may now be feeling the negative defeated attitude of the players they once easily defeated. When the lesser SP and accurate players were discontented at the imbalance between them and the higher SP and more accurate players, the higher SP players told them to they just sucked and stop their QQn. Now that aim assist may have increased the deaths of higher SP players, they're complaining that the game is unfair to them and now they're QQn.
Oh the irony . |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
816
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:42:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Literally =/= Figuratively Oh, and Kyou kyou
I QQ because i wont need to improve my gungame any further in order to have better K/D ratio and do better at games.
I know people just want easy mode but well....
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KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
816
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:43:00 -
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Eno Raef wrote:By the OP's ideas that a 22million SP player should always defeat the 4 million SP players, the player base would likely not grow if new players can't have fun due to being able to compete against everyone. Players that destroyed clones easily before 1.4's aim assist may now be feeling the negative defeated attitude of the players they once easily defeated. When the lesser SP and accurate players were discontented at the imbalance between them and the higher SP and more accurate players, the higher SP players told them to they just sucked and stop their QQn. Now that aim assist may have increased the deaths of higher SP players, they're complaining that the game is unfair to them and now they're QQn. Oh the irony .
Of course. KEQ. I know a few good KEQ players and you are not one of them.No wonder you are so happy with the aim assist. |
Ld Collins
The Phalanx Inc
34
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:44:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Ld Collins wrote:Patrick57 wrote:IRuby Heart wrote:If you think players are now as equally skilled as you or you find yourself having Trouble putting up the numbers you used to, maybe....just maybe you're not as good as you thought. Or maybe people didn't have aim assist back then so playing the game actually required skill. That makes no sense at all if you were good without it you should be better with it. The only difference was before if you had that duvolle tac ar your gonna shred people you had more range more damage you got soft because you could mow people down now everyone can aim and your true skills are starting to show your only advantage was your damage and extra shield and armor your sucked before and you suck now just saying in general this is not solely directed at you Punctuation works too. It's not about the fact that Vets should be better with it, it's about the fact that it does not reward them for being good because now all the noobs play just as good as the vets.
aww now that your feelings are hurt you're going to go after my grammar wow find something else to cry about. Side note if your having trouble reading what I type then you aren't that much smarter than I am you should be able to understand what Im saying like a teacher should be able to correct his/her students papers. Alas this is not a classroom and I am free to type anyway that I like whether i decide to punctuate correctly capitalize letters or even spell words correctly. The fact of the matter is you suck at this game deal with it. |
Alldin Kan
TeamPlayers EoN.
577
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Posted - 2013.09.05 03:09:00 -
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Aim assist too good? Nope, not feeling the impact... |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
850
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Posted - 2013.09.05 03:11:00 -
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OR a Comprimise |
Eno Raef
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
74
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Posted - 2013.09.05 03:11:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Eno Raef wrote:By the OP's ideas that a 22million SP player should always defeat the 4 million SP players, the player base would likely not grow if new players can't have fun due to being able to compete against everyone. Players that destroyed clones easily before 1.4's aim assist may now be feeling the negative defeated attitude of the players they once easily defeated. When the lesser SP and accurate players were discontented at the imbalance between them and the higher SP and more accurate players, the higher SP players told them to they just sucked and stop their QQn. Now that aim assist may have increased the deaths of higher SP players, they're complaining that the game is unfair to them and now they're QQn. Oh the irony . I dont consider myself an OP pro vet player. Yet i dont like the fact i dont need to aim to get kills.NOR get killed.
Cool, I'm glad you shared because I've never played a FPS game that didn't require some aiming, with or without an aim assist. |
Brolaire of Asstoria
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
162
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Posted - 2013.09.05 03:15:00 -
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Speak for yourself Maple... Who exactly made you class rep anyway? |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
850
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Posted - 2013.09.05 03:16:00 -
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Brolaire of Asstoria wrote:Speak for yourself Maple... Who exactly made you class rep anyway? He's Maple... |
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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
803
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Posted - 2013.09.05 03:22:00 -
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Asks how does it compare to COD?
Responder says aim assist
Sad, I thought all his years playing COD would give him a wealth of information to create a detailed post
All I got was aim assist
LOL!!! |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
850
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Posted - 2013.09.05 03:23:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Asks how does it compare to COD?
Responder says aim assist
Sad, I thought all his years playing COD would give him a wealth of information to create a detailed post
All I got was aim assist
LOL!!! Calm down... |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
803
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Posted - 2013.09.05 03:26:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Asks how does it compare to COD?
Responder says aim assist
Sad, I thought all his years playing COD would give him a wealth of information to create a detailed post
All I got was aim assist
LOL!!! Calm down...
Calm down? Just what about my posts that states that I'm overly excited? You internet people and your common forum rebuttals... |
Chris F2112
High-Damage
416
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Posted - 2013.09.05 03:39:00 -
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Another bitter vet unhappy that he can't simply out SP people anymore. If you want to say you have more skill, out maneuver them and flank enemies for kills. No, you can no longer dance around out of cover for a minute racking up kills. Good riddens with that horrid style of play.
Adapt or die, right? |
Brolaire of Asstoria
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
163
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Posted - 2013.09.05 03:52:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Brolaire of Asstoria wrote:Speak for yourself Maple... Who exactly made you class rep anyway? He's Maple...
Question still stands.... I don't remember any election where the "Vets" made him speaker for all... Oh that's right! There wasn't one... |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
852
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Posted - 2013.09.05 03:54:00 -
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Brolaire of Asstoria wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Brolaire of Asstoria wrote:Speak for yourself Maple... Who exactly made you class rep anyway? He's Maple... Question still stands.... I don't remember any election where the "Vets" made him speaker for all... Oh that's right! There wasn't one... Have a vote... |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3640
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Posted - 2013.09.05 04:01:00 -
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lol
Aim assist is a problem but melee glitch is fine right Maple?
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
852
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Posted - 2013.09.05 04:02:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:lol Aim assist is a problem but melee glitch is fine right Maple? Still, Say no to Noobism? |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1042
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Posted - 2013.09.05 04:08:00 -
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Chris F2112 wrote:Another bitter vet unhappy that he can't simply out SP people anymore. If you want to say you have more skill, out maneuver them and flank enemies for kills. No, you can no longer dance around out of cover for a minute racking up kills. Good riddens with that horrid style of play.
Adapt or die, right? I don't see how that was a horrid style of gameplay... After all dust has been like that since beta. If ppl couldn't hit some one strafing it was cuz they sucked and couldn't aim. If you were getting killed by someone doing that its cuz you were bad at strafing.
Game was more fun for me when it was like that imo |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles
1120
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Posted - 2013.09.05 04:15:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:lol Aim assist is a problem but melee glitch is fine right Maple?
why are you loling? i dont approve of the melee glitch ethire |
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