I'm inclined to agree. When the patch hit, I made a new character in the Academy, a heavy with a HMG to try it out. Unless I was facing my foe and got the drop on them, they could destroy my heavy suit in 3/4ths of a clip from a Militia Submachine Gun. Granted, the HMG did work a lot better than pre 1.4, but aiming's just highlight and let it fly.

I'm not going to be logging onto my Sniper until the SP event, but I'll have feedback then about how it helps with my rifle. I do know that I'm really going to hate armor tankers as a sniper.

I get no satisfaction from kills anymore. The aim assist is enough to make me not want to play this game right now. I used to win every 1v1 because i had better aim and i strafed intelligently, but now all it is, is trading health. I win every 1v1 just because I stack complex armor plates/damage mods. I honestly could just stand still because strafing is pointless now. I am so incredibly disappointed that I can't even put it into words. Nobody stands a chance unless they are using an AR against me because I out dps and tank everything else like it's a joke.

Totally agree. If something isn't done with this absurd aim assist within a week I'm done with this game as well. It's seriously killed the shooter aspect of the game and just comes down to stats now: tank, DPS, and who gets the first shot.

So.. your weapons of choice, gentlemen?

AR, SMG, Shotgun, Sniper Rifle, Forge Gun.

3 of which get aim assist and are completely ridiculous.

They were ridiculuos to begin with..
(except the SMG and the Sniper)

Another question.. your k/d gentlemen, how's been in the last few matches you've had (for any of the two)?

*ranting saying that everybody needs 100% perfect aim with the AR*

Thanks for the reply, Jack.
That news is good to me.

It implies that for Newberry's it's not a complete replacement to aiming... it's a step up in the right direction that may help them ramp up the necessary "aiming" development faster, and more quickly move to the arguably more battle-winning tactics to learn (awareness, coop, comm, covering and ressussing buddies).

And since there's a little lag in it, it can "semi-nerf" our gunslinger skills just enough that we have to give less confidence to our gun, and re-consider the value of some of our modules (dampeners, scanners) and re-consider the value of those "blue-berries" we've been puting down and leaving behind to get killed on their own all the time.

This "aim assist" could be one of the most innovative components brought to Dust so far.

Again i have to say i really do not see what alot of people are on about i do not see the gun tracking its not taking the skill away its just making it a bit easier to fine aim it appears to slow down the ret on aproach to a target which is fine, simply put i dont see a noticable difference between my aim before or after all i see is solid as hell hitdetection with a aim assist its not a bot a bot aims for you no player involved, bot this is not

They were ridiculuos to begin with..
(except the SMG and the Sniper)

Another question.. your k/d gentlemen, how's been in the last few matches you've had (for any of the two)?

I get no satisfaction from kills anymore. The aim assist is enough to make me not want to play this game right now. I used to win every 1v1 because i had better aim and i strafed intelligently, but now all it is, is trading health. I win every 1v1 just because I stack complex armor plates/damage mods. I honestly could just stand still because strafing is pointless now. I am so incredibly disappointed that I can't even put it into words. Nobody stands a chance unless they are using an AR against me because I out dps and tank everything else like it's a joke.

I'm going to be painfully honest. You are most likely had a negative K/D and couldn't aim worth sh*t in 1.3 if you think the aim assist is a good thing. It benefits the worst players and hurts the good ones. And I am not even that good, I only have... Like... 8k kills or something and have 12m sp~ (I'm not being specific because I'm at college right now and I don't really remember.) and I had a 2.05 k/d in 1.3. I now never lose 1v1s. 2 damage mods, all complex plates, 1 complex rep, win. Nothing beats me 1v1. I out dps and tank everything. It's no longer a challenge, but I cant 1v6 and win successfully anymore by bobbing and weaving because they all hit me 100% of the time. My scout CEO gets chokeslammed when fighting ARs cause he has so little health and they hit everyshot. Speed tanking is obsolete now. I cant outskill multiple enemies and 1v1ing isnt fun anymore.

I have used exclusively the AR, with an SMG sidearm. That's what I have on every fit, and now I have no counters. This is coming from someone who has only used the AR and has been playing since closed beta: ARs are OP now. With complex damage mods I win. Period. I dare anyone using anything other than an AR to beat me 1v1. I could probably headshot a heavy to death before his forge gun charges up. It's really, truly, awful. I want to stomp noobs running proto to pub stomp with a standard AR with pure skill again. :( I'm depressed, why would you do this to me, CCP? :(

So I've been playing around with the aim assist features with various weapons to kind of get the feel of just how effective it is. First and foremost I'm so glad that not all weapons get aim assist. The biggest thing I noticed is how powerful the whole "sticky reticle" is in aiding someone track a target. Tracking is what most people I assume found difficult in previous builds because both hit detection was a bit wonky on moving targets and the lack of magnetism made it sorta difficult. The thing is that doing something difficult and learning to overcome is what made it fun.

As it stands, it is ridiculously easy to keep track of a moving target because the game essentially will just do it for you, which is completely unacceptable in an FPS. One of the main factors that sets players who are worth their salt apart from those who can't seem to land a shot is their ability to track a target effectively. An FPS game shouldn't be taking the most critical aspect of the game and automating it. I understand that people claim they need a means to compete with KB/M, but the current aim assist has gone too far by effectively allowing a player to completely disregard his aiming. It's become a "pick target and spray" type of shooting because after your target is generally within your crosshairs the game takes over and all you need worry about is the (laughable) recoil.

The fact that hit detection was improved should have been alone a big enough factor in aiding people land their shots. I personally had many gripes with bullets not registering but that's not nearly as much a problem. Now that most bullets are registering and everyone has been given impeccable aim the game has turned into a rampant spray-and-pray shooter. Please CCP, for the sake of your players tune down the elements controlling aim assist. Aim assist is necessary, I understand, but it shouldn't nearly be the crutch it is now. Reduced input or "friction" near a target should be the priority while "magnetism" should be very minimal. The game should never take control of the actual reticle and right now it does just that to an absurd amount.

I get no satisfaction from kills anymore. The aim assist is enough to make me not want to play this game right now. I used to win every 1v1 because i had better aim and i strafed intelligently, but now all it is, is trading health. I win every 1v1 just because I stack complex armor plates/damage mods. I honestly could just stand still because strafing is pointless now. I am so incredibly disappointed that I can't even put it into words. Nobody stands a chance unless they are using an AR against me because I out dps and tank everything else like it's a joke.

I'm going to be painfully honest. You are most likely had a negative K/D and couldn't aim worth sh*t in 1.3 if you think the aim assist is a good thing. It benefits the worst players and hurts the good ones. And I am not even that good, I only have... Like... 8k kills or something and have 12m sp~ (I'm not being specific because I'm at college right now and I don't really remember.) and I had a 2.05 k/d in 1.3. I now never lose 1v1s. 2 damage mods, all complex plates, 1 complex rep, win. Nothing beats me 1v1. I out dps and tank everything. It's no longer a challenge, but I cant 1v6 and win successfully anymore by bobbing and weaving because they all hit me 100% of the time. My scout CEO gets chokeslammed when fighting ARs cause he has so little health and they hit everyshot. Speed tanking is obsolete now. I cant outskill multiple enemies and 1v1ing isnt fun anymore.

I have used exclusively the AR, with an SMG sidearm. That's what I have on every fit, and now I have no counters. This is coming from someone who has only used the AR and has been playing since closed beta: ARs are OP now. With complex damage mods I win. Period. I dare anyone using anything other than an AR to beat me 1v1. I could probably headshot a heavy to death before his forge gun charges up. It's really, truly, awful. I want to stomp noobs running proto to pub stomp with a standard AR with pure skill again. :( I'm depressed, why would you do this to me, CCP? :(

nothing to see here, just a COD noob.

i think star wars battle front has a stronger aim assist than whats on this game..



deal with it they have aim assist u have aim assist i kill u any way because i can actually aim even with out aim assist...

OMG I did not say that, I did not post that, seems like someone hacked my account if I posted those words.
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I'll be Devil's Advocate here.

The aim assist is decent. This does in fact, help players that don't aim that well.
Which is good.
Aiming in DUST made you VERY sharp. I know I'm not the only one that developed aim in Dust, and then proceeded to go to games like BF3 and absolutely **** face.

At the same time, the aim assist puts everyone on POTENTIALLY equal-footing. So using cover, and being smart on ground movements is actually vital now.

1.3 and before a couple of ace players could just walk side-by-side in the open, and just kill every noob in their path, now those noobs are able to kill them.

By helping everyone's aim, the matches have been more fun.
You guys have GOT to admit that much. Getting a team of blueberries, that can actually hold their own, Aim Assist or not... Every match I have done in 1.4 so far, has been amazingly fun, and my faith in this game has been just that much more restored.

So much so, that I am now an EVE player as well.
At the time of this writing, I am using EVE's ingame browser on one monitor, and playing DUST on the other....

1.4 was a success, barring some bothersome bugs like not being able to deploy your full squad... and that will be fixed in a few days tops.

I'll be Devil's Advocate here.

The aim assist is decent. This does in fact, help players that don't aim that well.
Which is good.
Aiming in DUST made you VERY sharp. I know I'm not the only one that developed aim in Dust, and then proceeded to go to games like BF3 and absolutely **** face.

At the same time, the aim assist puts everyone on POTENTIALLY equal-footing. So using cover, and being smart on ground movements is actually vital now.

1.3 and before a couple of ace players could just walk side-by-side in the open, and just kill every noob in their path, now those noobs are able to kill them.

By helping everyone's aim, the matches have been more fun.
You guys have GOT to admit that much. Getting a team of blueberries, that can actually hold their own, Aim Assist or not... Every match I have done in 1.4 so far, has been amazingly fun, and my faith in this game has been just that much more restored.

So much so, that I am now an EVE player as well.
At the time of this writing, I am using EVE's ingame browser on one monitor, and playing DUST on the other....

1.4 was a success, barring some bothersome bugs like not being able to deploy your full squad... and that will be fixed in a few days tops.

Assuming you are correct, what about us scouts?

I really don't mind the new aim-assist if CCP would have at least introduced the cloaking equipment or at least give the scouts a bonus towards sprint speed outside of the kinetic catalyzers or maybe give the knifers the ability to lunge just like the melee does now. If we had these features now, it's likely that I wouldn't be complaining this much and I would be happy to just stick to hiding as usual (as if I haven't done that already).

But as it stands, without the features I would like to see available, hiding feels... like a prison now.

But Grenades sure as hell don't need no aim assist.

They seem like more of a problem since we came to 1.4

I'll be Devil's Advocate here.

The aim assist is decent. This does in fact, help players that don't aim that well.
Which is good.
Aiming in DUST made you VERY sharp. I know I'm not the only one that developed aim in Dust, and then proceeded to go to games like BF3 and absolutely **** face.

At the same time, the aim assist puts everyone on POTENTIALLY equal-footing. So using cover, and being smart on ground movements is actually vital now.

1.3 and before a couple of ace players could just walk side-by-side in the open, and just kill every noob in their path, now those noobs are able to kill them.

By helping everyone's aim, the matches have been more fun.
You guys have GOT to admit that much. Getting a team of blueberries, that can actually hold their own, Aim Assist or not... Every match I have done in 1.4 so far, has been amazingly fun, and my faith in this game has been just that much more restored.

So much so, that I am now an EVE player as well.
At the time of this writing, I am using EVE's ingame browser on one monitor, and playing DUST on the other....

1.4 was a success, barring some bothersome bugs like not being able to deploy your full squad... and that will be fixed in a few days tops.

Sniper rifles do not get aim assist, and they do 110% damage vs armor but only 90% vs shields.

Only guns that got aim assist are ARs, SMGs, Scrambler Rifle and Pistol, Laser Rifle, Shotguns, and HMG. Basically every weapon you should spray with (aside from LR AND ScP), which is why people are dying so much faster. Better hot detection and every scrub who's never played an FPS has all-but-perfect aim.

Correct me if im wrong, but i do think aim-assist has always been in the game. I find it funny that people are just now noticing it. People are mad cuz the improved hit feature. So this is how stupid it is, instead of requesting the new hit feature be removed, they request to get rid of the auto aim instead that has been on dust for ages.... Every good shooter has aim-assist for people who are bad at controlling the joystick that moves the recticals. Just get over it people. You get killed more often, but at the same time, you can get kills more often too.

Correct me if im wrong, but i do think aim-assist has always been in the game. I find it funny that people are just now noticing it. People are mad cuz the improved hit feature. So this is how stupid it is, instead of requesting the new hit feature be removed, they request to get rid of the auto aim instead that has been on dust for ages.... Every good shooter has aim-assist for people who are bad at controlling the joystick that moves the recticals. Just get over it people. You get killed more often, but at the same time, you can get kills more often too.

Aim assist was only needed to compensate for the ridiculous strafe speeds. It should be the easiest thing in the world to shoot someone five feet away, but superhuman strafe speed made the aiming feel terrible.
I was under the impression that hit detection was the problem.

Aim assist was only needed to compensate for the ridiculous strafe speeds. It should be the easiest thing in the world to shoot someone five feet away, but superhuman strafe speed made the aiming feel terrible.
I was under the impression that hit detection was the problem.

Aim assist has always been in but only recently have they added the new "magnetism" feature. Look, I'm not asking they get rid of aim assist completely, only tune down the strength of the magnetism. At no point should the game do the aiming for you.

Take this for example: grab a laser and aim down your sights on a target and continue firing. Completely disregard the right joystick as soon as you are on target and watch just how much the game will gravitate your reticle towards the target. Most people are saying they don't notice it because they're probably still fighting the assist. If you take a moment and realize how strong it is you'll start to realize you don't have to do much of aiming besides pointing the initial crosshairs at the target. This is completely bogus. Why does the game have to compensate for a player's inability to track a target?

This is the major reason scouts and speed tankers are complaining because their agility is worthless now. The game has turned into a battle of stats: DPS, tank, and who got the first shot. Yeah, skill still factors into positioning and tactics, blah blah, but the core element of the FPS, aiming your gun and shooting at a target is being automated. It doesn't need to be removed, but certainly it's strength needs to be reduced.

I'll be Devil's Advocate here. The aim assist is decent. This does in fact, help players that don't aim that well. Which is good.
At the same time, the aim assist puts everyone on POTENTIALLY equal-footing. So using cover, and being smart on ground movements is actually vital now.
1.3 and before a couple of ace players could just walk side-by-side in the open, and just kill every noob in their path, now those noobs are able to kill them.
By helping everyone's aim, the matches have been more fun. You guys have GOT to admit that much. Getting a team of blueberries, that can actually hold their own, Aim Assist or not...

Every match I have done in 1.4 so far, has been amazingly fun, and my faith in this game has been just that much more restored. So much so, that I am now an EVE player as well. At the time of this writing, I am using EVE's ingame browser on one monitor, and playing DUST on the other.... 1.4 was a success, barring some bothersome bugs like not being able to deploy your full squad... and that will be fixed in a few days tops.

Assuming you are correct, what about us scouts?

I really don't mind the new aim-assist if CCP would have at least introduced the cloaking equipment or at least give the scouts a bonus towards sprint speed outside of the kinetic catalyzers or maybe give the knifers the ability to lunge just like the melee does now. If we had these features now, it's likely that I wouldn't be complaining this much and I would be happy to just stick to hiding as usual (as if I haven't done that already).

But as it stands, without the features I would like to see available, hiding feels... like a prison now.

There's been some really good discussion here so I'm going to try and keep this thread alive. Shameless bump.

I can't count the number of times I was able to avoid the new 1.4 assisted enemy fire simply by slipping behind the cover I am accustomed to using. It required more alertness and response, but I wasn't losing clones any more than previously.

I can't count the number of times I was miraculously resussed at the last possible second by a random friendly because his buddies could now confidently give him covering fire long enough to nano-inject me while under a hailstorm of enemy rounds...(normally I would bleed out because friends dare not expose themselves trying to reach me). (I try to keep in mind, some of those friendlies may have been just 16 years old...so God Bless their heroism!!)

Hit detection was a problem, but a lot of those issues were resolved. Combine that with the fact that everyone all of a sudden has great aim means people getting killed way faster than before. Hit detection fixes alone should have been enough of an impact, but CCP went one step further. And now everyone complains ARs and SMGs and what have you are OP. They haven't changed. Players suddenly being able to land 95-100% of their shots, even if you suck at aiming, is what makes it seem OP. An FPS game should not have to hold the player's hand at every turn to make him or her competitive, especially in a CCP game where everyone claims "HTFU".

All you scrubs who talk about how the hit detection is better and thats why and that noobs weren't as bad as people think or the vets werent as good as they think need to read this.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/03/13/call-of-duty-red-orchestra-2-interview/

Fact is the largest support of players I see in favor of AA are players who started playing console shooters after the COD craze(before Turok, Perfect Dark, Goldeneye etc) or are PC FPS players who think AA is a mandatory necessity in console shooters.


The reality is most of you nonfactors are and remain terrible at the game, thats why CCP had to give you a feature that compressed the skillgap. Reality is the AA in chromosome was fine and the major issue with Uprising wasnt lack of AA, anyone who understood the issue knew that it was entirely the acceleration they added during Uprising to try and increase DS3 turn speeds that royally screwed up aiming.

Once again uninformed ignorant playerbase that are bad at games dont understand the root causes of what was wrong with the game to begin with now assume that current fixes were the apropriate fixes to a problem. Welcome to placebo effect. Just because its better then Uprising doesn't mean it was the proper solution.

All CCP needed to do was bring back chromes level of AA and tone down or eliminate the DS3 acceleration on turn.

The question if you know your ****.... is there enough depth within DUST 514 to nullify the gameplay depth they killed by compressing the skill gap so drastically.

And is this what CCP is now??!? This isn't the spirit of New Eden .... compressed skill gap's ruin any thought of what DUST was going to be for most people..