I have to disagree, although I concur that if you use the old tactics of rush in and bunny hop in circles around the enemies you'll probably find an early grave.

The game is changed. Gun-game is now more about positioning and tactics, using the tools available (active scanners, vehicles etc) and strategically taking objectives while having eyes and ears on all points in communication.

The game has been changed so that solo Rambos will find a quick trip into the spawn que instead of bouncing around and bunny hopping while somehow managing to avoid fire from up to 16 mercs at once.

Now is the time to use your mind. No longer is shutting off your brain and hopping around in a circle acceptable, now you must move with cover in mind, where are the enemies, where are your allies? Breaching the enemy line means something now where before you could just waltz right past them and take an objective.

Digging in and defensive tactics truly work now. Good squad commanders and team leaders will drastically alter the battlefield.

That's how I feel about it.

Aim Assist = No more Strafe Dancing (Neo Matrix Dodging) = using more cover
and for this reason I actually approve despite being disadvantaged with it as a scout (and I mean severely disadvantaged), it also makes speed tanking negligible, so I am hoping for scout only cloaks but back on the subject, I do like the aspect because it severely nerfs the ad ad ad and left/right stick movement to neo dodge bullets out in the open, which were to me just as ridiculous as bunny hopping, this now actually makes cover more useful even in 1v1 engagements

Just my thoughts on the subject

I have to disagree, although I concur that if you use the old tactics of rush in and bunny hop in circles around the enemies you'll probably find an early grave.

The game is changed. Gun-game is now more about positioning and tactics, using the tools available (active scanners, vehicles etc) and strategically taking objectives while having eyes and ears on all points in communication.

The game has been changed so that solo Rambos will find a quick trip into the spawn que instead of bouncing around and bunny hopping while somehow managing to avoid fire from up to 16 mercs at once.

Now is the time to use your mind. No longer is shutting off your brain and hopping around in a circle acceptable, now you must move with cover in mind, where are the enemies, where are your allies? Breaching the enemy line means something now where before you could just waltz right past them and take an objective.

Digging in and defensive tactics truly work now. Good squad commanders and team leaders will drastically alter the battlefield.

That's how I feel about it.

I feel like quoting myself here

having good squad commanders, team leaders and tactics in general have ALWAYS been a requirement in competitive play, not just now. Now, it hardly makes a difference if your using someone whos been playing for a year with proto gear or a guy whos been in 2 months with advanced, hes going to get the job done almost as well because of how loleasymode# dust is now. Tactics doesent change how easy and no skill this game is as of today

what good is cover if aimbot just shoots over it?

Can't the game be fun?

Can't the game be fun?

exmaple, thanks for showing me that vid. from the bottom of my heart. im about to copy paste that to a bunch of threads now

what good is cover if aimbot just shoots over it? you can use cover before as well, now its just easy to die and get killed no matter how skilled you are

lolol enjoy, you can get a simular vid by recording a pub match of dust

I have to disagree, although I concur that if you use the old tactics of rush in and bunny hop in circles around the enemies you'll probably find an early grave.

The game is changed. Gun-game is now more about positioning and tactics, using the tools available (active scanners, vehicles etc) and strategically taking objectives while having eyes and ears on all points in communication.

The game has been changed so that solo Rambos will find a quick trip into the spawn que instead of bouncing around and bunny hopping while somehow managing to avoid fire from up to 16 mercs at once.

Now is the time to use your mind. No longer is shutting off your brain and hopping around in a circle acceptable, now you must move with cover in mind, where are the enemies, where are your allies? Breaching the enemy line means something now where before you could just waltz right past them and take an objective.

Digging in and defensive tactics truly work now. Good squad commanders and team leaders will drastically alter the battlefield.

That's how I feel about it.

Its hard to consider ourselfs skilled now when this game is so easy mode its cod. In cod, you run around the map and shoot ppl down in like 2 hits, no one ever sees you comming and you kill them unexpectedly. Now that our freindly team sight is gone, we run around just as blindly looking for targets. Now that we all have aimbot, we kill ppl with ARs as fast as an AR kills someone in COD. Now that we have no strafe, we cant break the aimbot so we simply die. There is no need for skill in dust now!!! get rid of the aimbot :(( its not fun to play cod, or a cod clone that is slightly more involved with alittle math. It feels like we advanced, skill heavy players are no better than scrubs, reguarless of SP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYGlWjIKoY4

Its hard to consider ourselfs skilled now when this game is so easy mode its cod. In cod, you run around the map and shoot ppl down in like 2 hits, no one ever sees you comming and you kill them unexpectedly. Now that our freindly team sight is gone, we run around just as blindly looking for targets. Now that we all have aimbot, we kill ppl with ARs as fast as an AR kills someone in COD. Now that we have no strafe, we cant break the aimbot so we simply die. There is no need for skill in dust now!!! get rid of the aimbot :(( its not fun to play cod, or a cod clone that is slightly more involved with alittle math. It feels like we advanced, skill heavy players are no better than scrubs, reguarless of SP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYGlWjIKoY4

Yes. Too bad my squads always go into battle with blues that do not know how to squad up...going against top tier corporations.

now u suck more than u already are

you dont balance games for pub matches. that breaks a game. you balance it for competition, e.g. PC battles.

noobs are noobs and will always be noobs, unless they get better. but then they wouldnt be noobs anymore by definition, as a noob whines instead of practices.

ww3 is soon and u whine about aim assist

ww3 is soon and u whine about aim assist

I'm kind of torn on this. On one hand, the strafe and track style of last patch was a great homage to old school FPS and the ability to expose a "good player's" lack of sustained aim was very refreshing but it ruined the tactical aspect of the game. Positioning and squad based gameplay was reduced to dance offs in open ground. Now you actually have to use cover to your advantage and with barely enough lateral movement to make that possible. It's not as twitch as other modern FPS, but TTK can be an issue when a quarter million ISK suit doesn't feel like it's worth the price. I think if they work on optimal ranges on certain weapons and tweak HMG dispersion, we could find a happy medium.

No longer is shutting off your brain and hopping around in a circle acceptable,

I don't get some peoples logic.
Aim assist means bad players will dominate good ones?
What is it that an inexperienced player has that is so much better than an experienced player in a 1V1?
You still have better skills, higher tiered gear, and as far as I can tell if somebody get the jump on you, why shouldn't you be DOD?

Aim assists are fundamental to console games because of the inherent flaws in using a joystick in a game that requires precision. its not a precision input. Especially when m+kb is in the mix.

HOWEVER, adding an aimbot isnt the answer. There is a word for it, its called cheating.

I don't get some peoples logic.
Aim assist means bad players will dominate good ones?
What is it that an inexperienced player has that is so much better than an experienced player in a 1V1?
You still have better skills, higher tiered gear, and as far as I can tell if somebody get the jump on you, why shouldn't you be DOD?

those fixes wouldent change ppl with no skill being on level with ppl whos been playing for a long time, or make it feel like your expensive suits are worth a damn. In pc, we use tactics and do not go into open ground engagements unless theres no other choice, and the better of the 2 won, or the ppl involved who showed the better tactica. Now, you run to cover and get hit by aimbot and constantly loose your expensive suits due to aimbot and no strafe speed. That is not fun, cant even call yourself better than anyone cuz were all aimbots

yep now i suck. Now im down to your level cuz no one can strafe and everyone has aimbot

Is there a specific weapon we're discussing here or is this purely about the new aiming and strafing?

I think the game is far more enjoyable. Already the game has changed and become fun because we now rely more on the environment and our team.

Exmaple Core and I have had several occasions were we didn't agree. Not now. The game is simply not fun and way too expensive. Good weapons and suits are worthless.

With these changes there is no reason to run anything but a free suit. Anything else is a waste of ISK.

My heavies get chewed through in about half the time.

Buff the heavies with armor? Sure, but we will let the scrubs kill you twice as fast.

aim and strafe with anything. Strafing is ruined and aimbot is murdering shiet

aim and strafe with anything. Strafing is ruined and aimbot is murdering shiet

you can rely on cover without aimbot!! you just hide behind it. Not hard

aww no news here u cannot use anything else but a tank.

I agree with the jist of the thread, actually just saw maple in a game actually, but justo n this particular comment I wish to play a healthy game of devils advocate.

It was damn effective to just outstrafe, more than using cover IMO, especially for scouts. Cover in CQC is pretty worthless in pc, count how many times you see a guy crouch behind cover in PC in the city, only cover is around the corner.

If they keep the scan radius this way they need to make much stronger modules to compensate. Either that or people will opt to sacrifice nade spam for scanners on assault suits...which would be nice.

I'm really interested in a discussion not a flame.

What do I see here is: Vets are right about aim assist, evry1 kills evry1 and this is disappointing. Evrybody else who are enthusiastic about the new aim assist are all the people who weren't good at shooting before 1.4 and now they find gold in their hands. So we gotta be aware of these people feedback to CCP, as I believe they are too many compared to whom is now complaining, and we run the risk to have no change at all to the aim system for permanently. So bad

Right now I have to admit this game is like COD, there's no more skilled difference between players. Such a shame.

I don't get some peoples logic.
Aim assist means bad players will dominate good ones?
What is it that an inexperienced player has that is so much better than an experienced player in a 1V1?
You still have better skills, higher tiered gear, and as far as I can tell if somebody get the jump on you, why shouldn't you be DOD?

I don't get some peoples logic.
Aim assist means bad players will dominate good ones?
What is it that an inexperienced player has that is so much better than an experienced player in a 1V1?
You still have better skills, higher tiered gear, and as far as I can tell if somebody get the jump on you, why shouldn't you be DOD?

If you're making comparisons between CoD and Dust, you clearly don't understand how Dust is supposed to be played.

Cover, large maps for flanking, multiple methods to get into and out of engagement range, regenerating shields, regenerating armor, large buffer. These are your tools.

If you're still running in hoping around like an idiot, you will die. You sound like a KB/M user who lost a bunch of suits to DS3 players who are actually competitive again.

Grow up, or quit. Preferably, the second one.

If you're making comparisons between CoD and Dust, you clearly don't understand how Dust is supposed to be played.

Cover, large maps for flanking, multiple methods to get into and out of engagement range, regenerating shields, regenerating armor, large buffer. These are your tools.

If you're still running in hoping around like an idiot, you will die. You sound like a KB/M user who lost a bunch of suits to DS3 players who are actually competitive again.

Grow up, or quit. Preferably, the second one.

Aim assists are fundamental to console games because of the inherent flaws in using a joystick in a game that requires precision. its not a precision input. Especially when m+kb is in the mix.

HOWEVER, adding an aimbot isnt the answer. There is a word for it, its called cheating.

Has no one even tried "both" the kbm and ds3 since the changes? It is clearly unbalanced. (Like it has been) There is no competitive aspect to the game until the input issues are resolved. "Cover" shouldn't even be mentioned. It should be a given that cover is already being used. This is a shooter, not a fighting game with a block button.

those fixes wouldent change ppl with no skill being on level with ppl whos been playing for a long time, or make it feel like your expensive suits are worth a damn. In pc, we use tactics and do not go into open ground engagements unless theres no other choice, and the better of the 2 won, or the ppl involved who showed the better tactica. Now, you run to cover and get hit by aimbot and constantly loose your expensive suits due to aimbot and no strafe speed. That is not fun, cant even call yourself better than anyone cuz were all aimbots

I think the game is far more enjoyable. Already the game has changed and become fun because we now rely more on the environment and our team.

I can't believe how many vets are whining over this change htfu.

Edit: "so called vets"

I feel like quoting myself here

and what would you consider a vet then? would you not agree a vet has more experience and knowledge of this game then a newer player, having been through more builds and seeing more changes to the gameplay mechanics than a newer player?

If you were building a car, would you ask someone who has done it before or would you ask a high schooler who is only thinking about whether or not he is popular?

Not played that many games yet...but as as another scout, I second this. I can't seem to doge a hail of fire by dancing between tiny bits of cover anymore, cover is now a place I run to to regen and reformulate a plan. I only had to do that when caught out and badly hurt, previously an assault when I was at full health was fair game - now sneaking and flanking is fair game, assaults can't just jitter about themselves when I get the drop on them.

I'd hazard a guess that it's not the aim assist in itself, it's just compounding the effects of better hit detection (not with shotguns unfortunately...) and lower strafe speed, which was always gonna increase people's mortality rate - even, or especially protos with greater tank and regen who are used to combining that with wonky hit detection/aiming issues (intetionally or not).

Its hard to consider ourselfs skilled now when this game is so easy mode its cod. In cod, you run around the map and shoot ppl down in like 2 hits, no one ever sees you comming and you kill them unexpectedly. Now that our freindly team sight is gone, we run around just as blindly looking for targets. Now that we all have aimbot, we kill ppl with ARs as fast as an AR kills someone in COD. Now that we have no strafe, we cant break the aimbot so we simply die. There is no need for skill in dust now!!! get rid of the aimbot :(( its not fun to play cod, or a cod clone that is slightly more involved with alittle math. It feels like we advanced, skill heavy players are no better than scrubs, reguarless of SP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYGlWjIKoY4

Vets in any field including real life don't complain about changes they adapt to it and find ways to stay on top. That's the opposite of everyone else is doing. Like I said don't getting angry now that you can't jump and straff while fighting 2-3 guys in your proto suit and survivor. Give some respect to the guy in the militia suit who 1 v 1 you and won while you had more hp and more dmg. Maybe he did have better gun and now all his head shots are registering.

Vets in any field including real life don't complain about changes they adapt to it and find ways to stay on top. That's the opposite of everyone else is doing. Like I said don't getting angry now that you can't jump and straff while fighting 2-3 guys in your proto suit and survivor. Give some respect to the guy in the militia suit who 1 v 1 you and won while you had more hp and more dmg. Maybe he did have better gun and now all his head shots are registering.

sounds like your having more fun because the game is making you feel better than you were about 24 hours ago

Cover should be mentioned. CCP put pathways of rubble and crates through every map to aid with running from cover to cover.
How many people realize these paths even exist? Not many, as they seem to improve your score when used correctly.

The concept of "Optimal Cover Routes" probably won't stabilize for a few weeks. Until then, people who liked to rush across open fields will be plastered for not thinking about the environment.

Its hard to consider ourselfs skilled now when this game is so easy mode its cod. In cod, you run around the map and shoot ppl down in like 2 hits, no one ever sees you comming and you kill them unexpectedly. Now that our freindly team sight is gone, we run around just as blindly looking for targets. Now that we all have aimbot, we kill ppl with ARs as fast as an AR kills someone in COD. Now that we have no strafe, we cant break the aimbot so we simply die. There is no need for skill in dust now!!! get rid of the aimbot :(( its not fun to play cod, or a cod clone that is slightly more involved with alittle math. It feels like we advanced, skill heavy players are no better than scrubs, reguarless of SP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYGlWjIKoY4

Or maybe it is all the updated added in 1.4 that makes it more enjoyable? I am using both mouse and ds3, and the aimbot is hardly noticing,

It was already hard for you to consider yourself a skilled player, all troll aside let's be real here if you guys were "skilled" and took care of business ya wouldn't be depending on a person in your corp clearly cheating. When he was in EoN he used AR just saying. Must be hard carrying AE, I might of stooped down to finding some kinda bug to help me out too. Just saying... I think you lost all credibility to be in here talking like you care what's best for Dust514.... GG.

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lol, god forbid a mouse user also uses a controller

We are arguing the point that they aren't his headshots... its a computer's headshots and him looking in the general direction. Everyone was missing before not because the lack of aim assist this is common knowledge... You can't say aimbot is hit detection... it doesn't even make sense in an argument...

aim assist, no squad/team view, how the heck will i survive as a heavy? CCP is telling me that as a heavy i must now "run" around the map looking for someone to shoot at since i can't see them via squad view and at the same time pray that i can "outrun" the enemies aim assist?

seems like with every update we're taking 3 steps back >__>
good job CCP, good job

It was already hard for you to consider yourself a skilled player, all troll aside let's be real here if you guys were "skilled" and took care of business ya wouldn't be depending on a person in your corp clearly cheating. When he was in EoN he used AR just saying. Must be hard carrying AE, I might of stooped down to finding some kinda bug to help me out too. Just saying... I think you lost all credibility to be in here talking like you care what's best for Dust514.... GG.

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It actually works really good, controller in left hand and mouse with right hand and keyboard on the lap. I only use the keyboard for typing messages as I prefer using the ds3 for movement. You should give it a try, the aim assist added is by no means that good.
I had a fight 1v1 yesterday that lasted two clips as both of us were heavily armor tanked and running around each other. I used the ds3 for testing of the aim assist and could no see any noticeable difference from before 1.4, I would have done better with the mouse. You might argue that both of us was terrible at aiming

aim assist, no squad/team view, how the heck will i survive as a heavy? CCP is telling me that as a heavy i must now "run" around the map looking for someone to shoot at since i can't see them via squad view and at the same time pray that i can "outrun" the enemies aim assist?

seems like with every update we're taking 3 steps back >__>
good job CCP, good job

Ask yourself... did melee get fixed? or even mentioned? and yes he did own entire teams by himself running up individually to you all and punching u in the face. Now ask yourself did u really have an ability to aim in the first place?

Ugh.....its this "I am a god lone wolf player" that really hurts this game. Have a squad mate with a scanner. Hell, i make sure my tank has an active scanner for my squad.

Stay with the squad, do not go Rambo style and you have your back covered. The enemy are at the same disadvantage as you, gesh what is up with peoble today.

well, i can promise you i certainly dont have aiming problems.

I can also tell you that at the beginning of uprising, in the heat of terribad mouse control for tanks, I would drive with my left hand on the WASD and my right hand on the controller. was actually very fun and demanding on my brain.

heh look at all the no name scrublets coming out to defend their newest crutch, Aimbot514 is a go.

What is your arguement being caught in the open and being punished for it or is it being 1 v 1 and getting out classes by militia gear? If its the latter its not the game its you.

Who are you?

They thought they were superman til 1.4 hit.

If you think this argument *AT ALL* is about tactical positioning in the game when we are talking about the gun game.... im lost to think where your head is? battle tactics and cover has never changed from any FPS.... the fact that you think aimbot makes hiding behind a box,... gun game... is disturbing.. This isn't a game where we all have 100 health and its finite whats the point in having high health point value suits... you can camp longer?

and yes iron i was getting outclasses by militia people clearly..... and i'm so hurt... and scared.... no wait...? sigh..

you people defending arriana makes me facepalm. its truly sad. The simple fact that your corp doesnt eject known glitchers shows a lack of integrity and competitiveness.

You know, it could have been a vet FPS on an alt character, and you are just not as good as you thought getting killed by a skilled player in militia gear? I often die in my proto suits against all type of players and take down other proto players in advanced and started outfits. This all happened before 1.4, I really cannot see any different after 1.4.

The matchmaking are updated and you were probably setup against skilled players instead of 16 random noobs you could own in your proto suits.

Remember, matchmaking are updated and you will be facing more skilled players if you are a skilled player yourself. Do I need to repeat this?

Doesn't it He's still here defending it LOL It's marked down as a known BUG that needs to be fixed and he still defends it Again AE as a whole has lost ALL credibility to make these kinda threads like they care what is best for Dust514. Peddle your wares elsewhere, I'm not buying.

you do realize the matchmaking is broken as sh.it and using it in your argument invalidates the rest of your post?