Aim assists are fundamental to console games because of the inherent flaws in using a joystick in a game that requires precision. its not a precision input. Especially when m+kb is in the mix.

HOWEVER, adding an aimbot isnt the answer. There is a word for it, its called cheating.

I don't get some peoples logic.
Aim assist means bad players will dominate good ones?
What is it that an inexperienced player has that is so much better than an experienced player in a 1V1?
You still have better skills, higher tiered gear, and as far as I can tell if somebody get the jump on you, why shouldn't you be DOD?

those fixes wouldent change ppl with no skill being on level with ppl whos been playing for a long time, or make it feel like your expensive suits are worth a damn. In pc, we use tactics and do not go into open ground engagements unless theres no other choice, and the better of the 2 won, or the ppl involved who showed the better tactica. Now, you run to cover and get hit by aimbot and constantly loose your expensive suits due to aimbot and no strafe speed. That is not fun, cant even call yourself better than anyone cuz were all aimbots

yep now i suck. Now im down to your level cuz no one can strafe and everyone has aimbot

Is there a specific weapon we're discussing here or is this purely about the new aiming and strafing?

I think the game is far more enjoyable. Already the game has changed and become fun because we now rely more on the environment and our team.

Exmaple Core and I have had several occasions were we didn't agree. Not now. The game is simply not fun and way too expensive. Good weapons and suits are worthless.

With these changes there is no reason to run anything but a free suit. Anything else is a waste of ISK.

My heavies get chewed through in about half the time.

Buff the heavies with armor? Sure, but we will let the scrubs kill you twice as fast.

aim and strafe with anything. Strafing is ruined and aimbot is murdering shiet

aim and strafe with anything. Strafing is ruined and aimbot is murdering shiet

you can rely on cover without aimbot!! you just hide behind it. Not hard

aww no news here u cannot use anything else but a tank.

I agree with the jist of the thread, actually just saw maple in a game actually, but justo n this particular comment I wish to play a healthy game of devils advocate.

It was damn effective to just outstrafe, more than using cover IMO, especially for scouts. Cover in CQC is pretty worthless in pc, count how many times you see a guy crouch behind cover in PC in the city, only cover is around the corner.

If they keep the scan radius this way they need to make much stronger modules to compensate. Either that or people will opt to sacrifice nade spam for scanners on assault suits...which would be nice.

I'm really interested in a discussion not a flame.

What do I see here is: Vets are right about aim assist, evry1 kills evry1 and this is disappointing. Evrybody else who are enthusiastic about the new aim assist are all the people who weren't good at shooting before 1.4 and now they find gold in their hands. So we gotta be aware of these people feedback to CCP, as I believe they are too many compared to whom is now complaining, and we run the risk to have no change at all to the aim system for permanently. So bad

Right now I have to admit this game is like COD, there's no more skilled difference between players. Such a shame.

I don't get some peoples logic.
Aim assist means bad players will dominate good ones?
What is it that an inexperienced player has that is so much better than an experienced player in a 1V1?
You still have better skills, higher tiered gear, and as far as I can tell if somebody get the jump on you, why shouldn't you be DOD?

I don't get some peoples logic.
Aim assist means bad players will dominate good ones?
What is it that an inexperienced player has that is so much better than an experienced player in a 1V1?
You still have better skills, higher tiered gear, and as far as I can tell if somebody get the jump on you, why shouldn't you be DOD?

If you're making comparisons between CoD and Dust, you clearly don't understand how Dust is supposed to be played.

Cover, large maps for flanking, multiple methods to get into and out of engagement range, regenerating shields, regenerating armor, large buffer. These are your tools.

If you're still running in hoping around like an idiot, you will die. You sound like a KB/M user who lost a bunch of suits to DS3 players who are actually competitive again.

Grow up, or quit. Preferably, the second one.

If you're making comparisons between CoD and Dust, you clearly don't understand how Dust is supposed to be played.

Cover, large maps for flanking, multiple methods to get into and out of engagement range, regenerating shields, regenerating armor, large buffer. These are your tools.

If you're still running in hoping around like an idiot, you will die. You sound like a KB/M user who lost a bunch of suits to DS3 players who are actually competitive again.

Grow up, or quit. Preferably, the second one.

Aim assists are fundamental to console games because of the inherent flaws in using a joystick in a game that requires precision. its not a precision input. Especially when m+kb is in the mix.

HOWEVER, adding an aimbot isnt the answer. There is a word for it, its called cheating.

Has no one even tried "both" the kbm and ds3 since the changes? It is clearly unbalanced. (Like it has been) There is no competitive aspect to the game until the input issues are resolved. "Cover" shouldn't even be mentioned. It should be a given that cover is already being used. This is a shooter, not a fighting game with a block button.

those fixes wouldent change ppl with no skill being on level with ppl whos been playing for a long time, or make it feel like your expensive suits are worth a damn. In pc, we use tactics and do not go into open ground engagements unless theres no other choice, and the better of the 2 won, or the ppl involved who showed the better tactica. Now, you run to cover and get hit by aimbot and constantly loose your expensive suits due to aimbot and no strafe speed. That is not fun, cant even call yourself better than anyone cuz were all aimbots

I think the game is far more enjoyable. Already the game has changed and become fun because we now rely more on the environment and our team.

I can't believe how many vets are whining over this change htfu.

Edit: "so called vets"

I feel like quoting myself here

and what would you consider a vet then? would you not agree a vet has more experience and knowledge of this game then a newer player, having been through more builds and seeing more changes to the gameplay mechanics than a newer player?

If you were building a car, would you ask someone who has done it before or would you ask a high schooler who is only thinking about whether or not he is popular?

Not played that many games yet...but as as another scout, I second this. I can't seem to doge a hail of fire by dancing between tiny bits of cover anymore, cover is now a place I run to to regen and reformulate a plan. I only had to do that when caught out and badly hurt, previously an assault when I was at full health was fair game - now sneaking and flanking is fair game, assaults can't just jitter about themselves when I get the drop on them.

I'd hazard a guess that it's not the aim assist in itself, it's just compounding the effects of better hit detection (not with shotguns unfortunately...) and lower strafe speed, which was always gonna increase people's mortality rate - even, or especially protos with greater tank and regen who are used to combining that with wonky hit detection/aiming issues (intetionally or not).