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Exmaple Core
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Posted - 2013.09.04 05:47:00 -
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Its hard to consider ourselfs skilled now when this game is so easy mode its cod. In cod, you run around the map and shoot ppl down in like 2 hits, no one ever sees you comming and you kill them unexpectedly. Now that our freindly team sight is gone, we run around just as blindly looking for targets. Now that we all have aimbot, we kill ppl with ARs as fast as an AR kills someone in COD. Now that we have no strafe, we cant break the aimbot so we simply die. There is no need for skill in dust now!!! get rid of the aimbot :(( its not fun to play cod, or a cod clone that is slightly more involved with alittle math. It feels like we advanced, skill heavy players are no better than scrubs, reguarless of SP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYGlWjIKoY4 |
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:03:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:I have to disagree, although I concur that if you use the old tactics of rush in and bunny hop in circles around the enemies you'll probably find an early grave.
The game is changed. Gun-game is now more about positioning and tactics, using the tools available (active scanners, vehicles etc) and strategically taking objectives while having eyes and ears on all points in communication.
The game has been changed so that solo Rambos will find a quick trip into the spawn que instead of bouncing around and bunny hopping while somehow managing to avoid fire from up to 16 mercs at once.
Now is the time to use your mind. No longer is shutting off your brain and hopping around in a circle acceptable, now you must move with cover in mind, where are the enemies, where are your allies? Breaching the enemy line means something now where before you could just waltz right past them and take an objective.
Digging in and defensive tactics truly work now. Good squad commanders and team leaders will drastically alter the battlefield.
That's how I feel about it.
having good squad commanders, team leaders and tactics in general have ALWAYS been a requirement in competitive play, not just now. Now, it hardly makes a difference if your using someone whos been playing for a year with proto gear or a guy whos been in 2 months with advanced, hes going to get the job done almost as well because of how loleasymode# dust is now. Tactics doesent change how easy and no skill this game is as of today |
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:05:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:I feel like quoting myself here Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Aim Assist = No more Strafe Dancing (Neo Matrix Dodging) = using more cover
and for this reason I actually approve despite being disadvantaged with it as a scout (and I mean severely disadvantaged), it also makes speed tanking negligible, so I am hoping for scout only cloaks but back on the subject, I do like the aspect because it severely nerfs the ad ad ad and left/right stick movement to neo dodge bullets out in the open, which were to me just as ridiculous as bunny hopping, this now actually makes cover more useful even in 1v1 engagements
Just my thoughts on the subject
what good is cover if aimbot just shoots over it? you can use cover before as well, now its just easy to die and get killed no matter how skilled you are |
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:15:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:I have to disagree, although I concur that if you use the old tactics of rush in and bunny hop in circles around the enemies you'll probably find an early grave.
The game is changed. Gun-game is now more about positioning and tactics, using the tools available (active scanners, vehicles etc) and strategically taking objectives while having eyes and ears on all points in communication.
The game has been changed so that solo Rambos will find a quick trip into the spawn que instead of bouncing around and bunny hopping while somehow managing to avoid fire from up to 16 mercs at once.
Now is the time to use your mind. No longer is shutting off your brain and hopping around in a circle acceptable, now you must move with cover in mind, where are the enemies, where are your allies? Breaching the enemy line means something now where before you could just waltz right past them and take an objective.
Digging in and defensive tactics truly work now. Good squad commanders and team leaders will drastically alter the battlefield.
That's how I feel about it. having good squad commanders, team leaders and tactics in general have ALWAYS been a requirement in competitive play, not just now. Now, it hardly makes a difference if your using someone whos been playing for a year with proto gear or a guy whos been in 2 months with advanced, hes going to get the job done almost as well because of how loleasymode# dust is now. Tactics doesent change how easy and no skill this game is as of today Can't the game be fun?
it was fun when being better than the enemy actually made you win. Now everyones even, thats not fun. Its also not fun dieing alllll the time cuz everyone has perfect accuracy now |
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:18:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:exmaple, thanks for showing me that vid. from the bottom of my heart. im about to copy paste that to a bunch of threads now
lolol enjoy, you can get a simular vid by recording a pub match of dust |
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:31:00 -
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Faquira Bleuetta wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Its hard to consider ourselfs skilled now when this game is so easy mode its cod. In cod, you run around the map and shoot ppl down in like 2 hits, no one ever sees you comming and you kill them unexpectedly. Now that our freindly team sight is gone, we run around just as blindly looking for targets. Now that we all have aimbot, we kill ppl with ARs as fast as an AR kills someone in COD. Now that we have no strafe, we cant break the aimbot so we simply die. There is no need for skill in dust now!!! get rid of the aimbot :(( its not fun to play cod, or a cod clone that is slightly more involved with alittle math. It feels like we advanced, skill heavy players are no better than scrubs, reguarless of SP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYGlWjIKoY4 now u suck more than u already are
yep now i suck. Now im down to your level cuz no one can strafe and everyone has aimbot |
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:33:00 -
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Faquira Bleuetta wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:RA Drahcir wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:I have to disagree, although I concur that if you use the old tactics of rush in and bunny hop in circles around the enemies you'll probably find an early grave.
The game is changed. Gun-game is now more about positioning and tactics, using the tools available (active scanners, vehicles etc) and strategically taking objectives while having eyes and ears on all points in communication.
The game has been changed so that solo Rambos will find a quick trip into the spawn que instead of bouncing around and bunny hopping while somehow managing to avoid fire from up to 16 mercs at once.
Now is the time to use your mind. No longer is shutting off your brain and hopping around in a circle acceptable, now you must move with cover in mind, where are the enemies, where are your allies? Breaching the enemy line means something now where before you could just waltz right past them and take an objective.
Digging in and defensive tactics truly work now. Good squad commanders and team leaders will drastically alter the battlefield.
That's how I feel about it. Yes. Too bad my squads always go into battle with blues that do not know how to squad up...going against top tier corporations. you dont balance games for pub matches. that breaks a game. you balance it for competition, e.g. PC battles. noobs are noobs and will always be noobs, unless they get better. but then they wouldnt be noobs anymore by definition, as a noob whines instead of practices. ww3 is soon and u whine about aim assist 
will they have aimbots in ww3? itd be a short war |
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:38:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:I'm kind of torn on this. On one hand, the strafe and track style of last patch was a great homage to old school FPS and the ability to expose a "good player's" lack of sustained aim was very refreshing but it ruined the tactical aspect of the game. Positioning and squad based gameplay was reduced to dance offs in open ground. Now you actually have to use cover to your advantage and with barely enough lateral movement to make that possible. It's not as twitch as other modern FPS, but TTK can be an issue when a quarter million ISK suit doesn't feel like it's worth the price. I think if they work on optimal ranges on certain weapons and tweak HMG dispersion, we could find a happy medium.
those fixes wouldent change ppl with no skill being on level with ppl whos been playing for a long time, or make it feel like your expensive suits are worth a damn. In pc, we use tactics and do not go into open ground engagements unless theres no other choice, and the better of the 2 won, or the ppl involved who showed the better tactica. Now, you run to cover and get hit by aimbot and constantly loose your expensive suits due to aimbot and no strafe speed. That is not fun, cant even call yourself better than anyone cuz were all aimbots |
Exmaple Core
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:51:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Cosgar wrote:I'm kind of torn on this. On one hand, the strafe and track style of last patch was a great homage to old school FPS and the ability to expose a "good player's" lack of sustained aim was very refreshing but it ruined the tactical aspect of the game. Positioning and squad based gameplay was reduced to dance offs in open ground. Now you actually have to use cover to your advantage and with barely enough lateral movement to make that possible. It's not as twitch as other modern FPS, but TTK can be an issue when a quarter million ISK suit doesn't feel like it's worth the price. I think if they work on optimal ranges on certain weapons and tweak HMG dispersion, we could find a happy medium. those fixes wouldent change ppl with no skill being on level with ppl whos been playing for a long time, or make it feel like your expensive suits are worth a damn. In pc, we use tactics and do not go into open ground engagements unless theres no other choice, and the better of the 2 won, or the ppl involved who showed the better tactica. Now, you run to cover and get hit by aimbot and constantly loose your expensive suits due to aimbot and no strafe speed. That is not fun, cant even call yourself better than anyone cuz were all aimbots Is there a specific weapon we're discussing here or is this purely about the new aiming and strafing?
aim and strafe with anything. Strafing is ruined and aimbot is murdering shiet |
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:53:00 -
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Gigatron Prime wrote:I think the game is far more enjoyable. Already the game has changed and become fun because we now rely more on the environment and our team.
you can rely on cover without aimbot!! you just hide behind it. Not hard |
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Exmaple Core
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:55:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:Exmaple Core and I have had several occasions were we didn't agree. Not now. The game is simply not fun and way too expensive. Good weapons and suits are worthless.
With these changes there is no reason to run anything but a free suit. Anything else is a waste of ISK.
My heavies get chewed through in about half the time.
Buff the heavies with armor? Sure, but we will let the scrubs kill you twice as fast.
yep yep, right on the money |
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