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Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 2897	Posted - 2013.08.31 20:45:00 - [31] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: We see CCP not doing anything and were like: SILVERBACK 02 wrote: -snip a long list- Not being silent You are aware that a large amount of that list is fictitious, yes? For example, note that you quoted Cat Merc as being against respecs. Somehow, his name is on there, despite being against it, as is a large number of other people's. A lot of names are double posted, and large numbers of alts are included. So? lol if you want to make assumptions we can assume nearly all of them arnt alts and alot of ppl are yet to sign. Assuming isent getting us anywere tho, not worth the debate. care to prove the OP wrong as well? We can hardly assume they're not alts when the names are 'SILVERBACK 01, SILVERBACK 02, SILVERBACK 03' or 'Vethosis, Vesosis'. The 'petition' is completely invalidated because of the sheer number of deliberate inaccuracies it contains. When you're posting every name that posts in your thread, even if they oppose it, and others who aren't even posting in your thread, you know you're desperate. It's kind of sad really, being so desperate to be FotM again that you're dishonest with your 'petition'. I don't necessarily disagree with respecs. I do disagree with people lying this much.
Jimbo1337 Pure Innocence. EoN. 20	Posted - 2013.08.31 20:49:00 - [32] - Quote So to all the people posting on here: What did you do with your skill points when they gave the optional respecs. Screw up again? I mean seriously... Nobody knew that the laser rifle was going to be utter garbage after chrome so I can understand why people skilled into it and found out that they desperately needed a respec. What did you guys do? Skill into something like the laser rifle AGAIN only to find out that it still sucked?
Damus Trifarn The Yellow Lantern Corps 29	Posted - 2013.08.31 20:49:00 - [33] - Quote Jimbo1337 wrote: I am sorry that you skilled a ton of SP into the flaylock and now want that SP back. Well I would love to get the hundreds of deaths due to the flaylock back but that doesn't seem likely does it. So I laugh at all of you who skilled into that weapon and I am currently laughing at all of you who then transferred over to the MD. THAT is why people don't deserve a respec. You do realize that you could just PLAY THE GAME and gain more SP right? I agree that people who skill into things that are changed slightly for balance should not get respecs, but to assume that this is the only people that want one misses a large argument for them that I don't hear a lot about. People that skilled into Heavies (like me), Scouts, and tanks have very few of the promised options, some missing tiers (tanks) and racial variants (in the Heavy's case there is only one). They have legitimate complaints because they can't choose what they want because it isn't there. I'm fine with my Amarr Sentinel; it's a great suit. However, I would like a respec in that area exclusively because I had one racial option, and if I wanted to play the game how I wanted I was stuck with that, and tankers have it even worse than I do. Some will say that people like myself should just wait, but I don't think that telling people to wait for months to get basic content is fair, especially when other playstyles have all options available to them. When the racial variants come out I will skill into them if there is no respec, but I believe that if CCP gave those people a respec when the entirety of content is released it would be a sign of good faith, of saying that they care about those players and saying they're sorry that their playstyle was neglected in the area of content.
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 512	Posted - 2013.08.31 20:52:00 - [34] - Quote Damus Trifarn wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: I am sorry that you skilled a ton of SP into the flaylock and now want that SP back. Well I would love to get the hundreds of deaths due to the flaylock back but that doesn't seem likely does it. So I laugh at all of you who skilled into that weapon and I am currently laughing at all of you who then transferred over to the MD. THAT is why people don't deserve a respec. You do realize that you could just PLAY THE GAME and gain more SP right? I agree that people who skill into things that are changed slightly for balance should not get respecs, but to assume that this is the only people that want one misses a large argument for them that I don't hear a lot about. People that skilled into Heavies (like me), Scouts, and tanks have very few of the promised options, some missing tiers (tanks) and racial variants (in the Heavy's case there is only one). They have legitimate complaints because they can't choose what they want because it isn't there. I'm fine with my Amarr Sentinel; it's a great suit. However, I would like a respec in that area exclusively because I had one racial option, and if I wanted to play the game how I wanted I was stuck with that, and tankers have it even worse than I do. Some will say that people like myself should just wait, but I don't think that telling people to wait for months to get basic content is fair, especially when other playstyles have all options available to them. When the racial variants come out I will skill into them if there is no respec, but I believe that if CCP gave those people a respec when the entirety of content is released it would be a sign of good faith, of saying that they care about those players and saying they're sorry that their playstyle was neglected in the area of content. I <3 u
Exmaple Core Ancient Exiles 1017	Posted - 2013.08.31 20:52:00 - [35] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: We see CCP not doing anything and were like: SILVERBACK 02 wrote: -snip a long list- Not being silent You are aware that a large amount of that list is fictitious, yes? For example, note that you quoted Cat Merc as being against respecs. Somehow, his name is on there, despite being against it, as is a large number of other people's. A lot of names are double posted, and large numbers of alts are included. So? lol if you want to make assumptions we can assume nearly all of them arnt alts and alot of ppl are yet to sign. Assuming isent getting us anywere tho, not worth the debate. care to prove the OP wrong as well? We can hardly assume they're not alts when the names are 'SILVERBACK 01, SILVERBACK 02, SILVERBACK 03' or 'Vethosis, Vesosis'. The 'petition' is completely invalidated because of the sheer number of deliberate inaccuracies it contains. When you're posting every name that posts in your thread, even if they oppose it, and others who aren't even posting in your thread, you know you're desperate. It's kind of sad really, being so desperate to be FotM again that you're dishonest with your 'petition'. I don't necessarily disagree with respecs. I do disagree with people lying this much. lolol you acutally read the list... aint nobody got time for that! but fair enough good point, sir i agree
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 928	Posted - 2013.08.31 20:55:00 - [36] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: I've realized that the logic of people who want respecs is that they just like to whine. This is how you lose an argument. There have been good points brought up by both sides, so claiming one side just likes to whine is pretty indicative that you do not have anything to properly counter the arguments. My problem with full respecs is that it will end up turning into a roller coaster of FOTM chasers which throws off balance and exacerbates small issues that otherwise wouldn't be that big a deal. THAT said, I don't think anyone has an issue with SP refunds of SP out of particular skills if they completely change certain skill trees, adjust multipliers, or delete skills.
Jimbo1337 Pure Innocence. EoN. 20	Posted - 2013.08.31 20:56:00 - [37] - Quote Damus Trifarn wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: I am sorry that you skilled a ton of SP into the flaylock and now want that SP back. Well I would love to get the hundreds of deaths due to the flaylock back but that doesn't seem likely does it. So I laugh at all of you who skilled into that weapon and I am currently laughing at all of you who then transferred over to the MD. THAT is why people don't deserve a respec. You do realize that you could just PLAY THE GAME and gain more SP right? I agree that people who skill into things that are changed slightly for balance should not get respecs, but to assume that this is the only people that want one misses a large argument for them that I don't hear a lot about. People that skilled into Heavies (like me), Scouts, and tanks have very few of the promised options, some missing tiers (tanks) and racial variants (in the Heavy's case there is only one). They have legitimate complaints because they can't choose what they want because it isn't there. I'm fine with my Amarr Sentinel; it's a great suit. However, I would like a respec in that area exclusively because I had one racial option, and if I wanted to play the game how I wanted I was stuck with that, and tankers have it even worse than I do. Some will say that people like myself should just wait, but I don't think that telling people to wait for months to get basic content is fair, especially when other playstyles have all options available to them. When the racial variants come out I will skill into them if there is no respec, but I believe that if CCP gave those people a respec when the entirety of content is released it would be a sign of good faith, of saying that they care about those players and saying they're sorry that their playstyle was neglected in the area of content. I cannot agree anymore with your post. But how do you expect to give some people respecs while not giving some to others? You would have people flaming on these boards even more saying how they are not treated fairly. For me, I don't need a respec at all but I would feel wronged if everyone got a respec. This is because I would have tons of deaths due to OP weapons in this game that came from a large group of people. That would THEN cause people to do this over and over and over again. Whats the next OP weapon? Lets skill into that because we know that they will give a respec when they balance that said OP weapon. Understand?
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster 145	Posted - 2013.08.31 21:15:00 - [38] - Quote Heavies, pilots and scouts are the people that qualify for a partial respec in my books.
Ninjanomyx TeamPlayers EoN. 296	Posted - 2013.08.31 21:43:00 - [39] - Quote Jimbo1337 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: I am sorry that you skilled a ton of SP into the flaylock and now want that SP back. Well I would love to get the hundreds of deaths due to the flaylock back but that doesn't seem likely does it. So I laugh at all of you who skilled into that weapon and I am currently laughing at all of you who then transferred over to the MD. THAT is why people don't deserve a respec. You do realize that you could just PLAY THE GAME and gain more SP right? Do you honestly think this is the reason? I haven't spent a single point on flaylocks (or Cadari suits and ARs for that matter) and I'm still mostly in favor of this. Then maybe you should actually take the time to skill into the correct things once in a while. I mean...how hard is it to skill into what you have been dying to get for 1 week, 2 weeks, sometimes a month? I mean come on! Seriously people. If you made a mistake and skilled into something that is useless...who is to blame? Yourself! Take responsibility for your own actions and act like adults instead of a child. Its a game that is supposed to be played for a LONG TIME. Take the time to play the game and request something more meaningful. Stop with the stupid gun nerfs and whining and actually have some fun. Request new game modes. Request new maps. This is truly what the game is lacking instead of another stupid respec. Wow.....they let Derpies into P.I.??? Niceeeeeeee............ Your entire "Response" is Irrelevant
Ninjanomyx TeamPlayers EoN. 296	Posted - 2013.08.31 21:49:00 - [40] - Quote Jimbo1337 wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: If you want a respec, then you should pay 60 dollars to them to help make this game better. I mean seriously people. You are playing a FREE game and I have NEVER heard so much whining in my entire life. Go ENJOY the game for once instead of complaining about this and that. This game has been a big disappointment and I am positive that it is due to all of the people on these forums. It seems like they are always taking a step back to please the community when in fact they should be working on what matters. What matters in a video game is that there is always new content. There has been new content added to the game, yet it still feels like it is in beta form. What brand new launch game has TDM, Skirmish, and a knock off dumb downed Skirmish mode? Are you saying changing ppls classes and not leting them spec out of it does not matter? Cuz we cant enjoy the game if we dont have say in how we play. That would be like me telling you what to post on your reply to this thread and having no abliity to change it. Would you enjoy posting on the forums if i made you look like an idiot every time you said something? cuz thats how we feel on the battlefeild when our classes get changed Then stop playing the game if you don't like how they are managing it. I mean...it was FREE after all. FREE for a Freeloader maybe..... You are so Irrelevant it hurts We the Supporters & Founders have every right to make Requests & voice our Concerns. You on the other hand.....not so much

Damus Trifarn The Yellow Lantern Corps 29	Posted - 2013.08.31 21:53:00 - [41] - Quote Jimbo1337 wrote: Damus Trifarn wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: I am sorry that you skilled a ton of SP into the flaylock and now want that SP back. Well I would love to get the hundreds of deaths due to the flaylock back but that doesn't seem likely does it. So I laugh at all of you who skilled into that weapon and I am currently laughing at all of you who then transferred over to the MD. THAT is why people don't deserve a respec. You do realize that you could just PLAY THE GAME and gain more SP right? I agree that people who skill into things that are changed slightly for balance should not get respecs, but to assume that this is the only people that want one misses a large argument for them that I don't hear a lot about. People that skilled into Heavies (like me), Scouts, and tanks have very few of the promised options, some missing tiers (tanks) and racial variants (in the Heavy's case there is only one). They have legitimate complaints because they can't choose what they want because it isn't there. I'm fine with my Amarr Sentinel; it's a great suit. However, I would like a respec in that area exclusively because I had one racial option, and if I wanted to play the game how I wanted I was stuck with that, and tankers have it even worse than I do. Some will say that people like myself should just wait, but I don't think that telling people to wait for months to get basic content is fair, especially when other playstyles have all options available to them. When the racial variants come out I will skill into them if there is no respec, but I believe that if CCP gave those people a respec when the entirety of content is released it would be a sign of good faith, of saying that they care about those players and saying they're sorry that their playstyle was neglected in the area of content. I cannot agree anymore with your post. But how do you expect to give some people respecs while not giving some to others? You would have people flaming on these boards even more saying how they are not treated fairly. For me, I don't need a respec at all but I would feel wronged if everyone got a respec. This is because I would have tons of deaths due to OP weapons in this game that came from a large group of people. That would THEN cause people to do this over and over and over again. Whats the next OP weapon? Lets skill into that because we know that they will give a respec when they balance that said OP weapon. Understand? I completely understand, and everyone getting a respec would cause massive balance issues as we get another episode of the Cal logis and Flaylocks epidemic. You're also completely right about the unholy wrath of the player base coming down onto CCP with a partial respec. It's a tricky situation honestly; either way some people will be bitter. The only respec I support is the one I talked about, and even then it will require a massive PR effort to pull off. Like you said, people will feel cheated, and CCP isn't exactly in the position to bluntly say "When you use a playstyle with a lack of content and questionable balance issues then you can feel cheated." Ultimately it's a problem that was caused by lack of content and a rushed launch, and there's no pretty solution to such a problem. I can only pray that CCP makes the right decision that will give people what they were promised and keep their player base from exploding in anger (well, more so than now).
5P3CTR3 R1S1NG Pradox One 11	Posted - 2013.08.31 21:57:00 - [42] - Quote Reasons why we want respecs : To try a new role To make the right decision To spec into the next FoTM Anti-respect peoples reasons to not give us respecs : We will spec into the FoTM There will probably be a rise in people using protogear They already have the right build they want They already got a respec in uprising(so they don't want to be stomped by new protogear) The main thing I hear from anti-respec people is that "there shouldn't be a respec because people are just gonna spec into the next FoTM". I say let them have their respecs, if they spec into the FoTM again then they are SOL , THEN there shouldn't be any more respecs. The only thing anti-respec people hear when someone mentions a respc is "I wanna spec into the FoTM". Try looking at this respec war from a different point of view then you will see the logic behind both sides
Viktor Zokas High-Damage 308	Posted - 2013.08.31 21:58:00 - [43] - Quote O wow, a wall of text. That will change the answer... to... No!
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 203	Posted - 2013.08.31 22:02:00 - [44] - Quote Jimbo1337 wrote: If you want a respec, then you should pay 60 dollars to them to help make this game better. I mean seriously people. You are playing a FREE game and I have NEVER heard so much whining in my entire life. Go ENJOY the game for once instead of complaining about this and that. This game has been a big disappointment and I am positive that it is due to all of the people on these forums. It seems like they are always taking a step back to please the community when in fact they should be working on what matters. What matters in a video game is that there is always new content. There has been new content added to the game, yet it still feels like it is in beta form. What brand new launch game has TDM, Skirmish, and a knock off dumb downed Skirmish mode? What' free have to do with it? We want to support the game. CCP wants customers. This game being a disappointment is solely the fault of the company that makes it. People complaining doesn't suddenly cause a games company to not properly balance and update their product. Faulty logic of a fanboi. Stop defending what you are handed as if written in stone.
Smooth Assassin Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 106	Posted - 2013.08.31 22:07:00 - [45] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: And CCP remains silent. -XOXO We see CCP not doing anything and were like: SILVERBACK 02 wrote: this is the continuation of a post made a couple weeks ago...unfortunatly he was banned so he cant keep the thread alive. SIGN for respec- Vethosis Sloth9320 EternalRMG Vesosis Niuvo Protocake Jr Bad Heal Soldiersaint Banned From Forums llluminaughty-696 KING SALASI LT SHANKS pierce Hawkeye WyrmHero1945 SILVERBACK 02 A'Real Fury hooc order Eldest Dragon KiN JRB XeroTheBigBoss SILVERBACK 03 Eris Ernaga Heavy Breaks ZDub 303 DRE PrEaCh flesth IM-JUST TO-FAT Beowulf Folkvar SILVERBACK 01 TheDarthMa94 RAYNE Moon DR feldernatch Gawen Eadan Joshua Eadan TIGGY B tRUPPer88 smoke 2joint Cat Merc Dr Kennith Nosewater Adept Killer LongLostLust SAIRAX SIS SlyFrenzy DildoMcnutz Captain Africa Clone1 THEAMAZING POTHEAD Ivan Avogadro PandyRIP Hell Destroyer Clips A'hoy Delta90212 Sotapopthegrey gay LADY MYATO Parson Atreides Rynoceros CommanderBolt ISuperstar Tectonic Fusion Big Boss XIII dday3six Cy Cyclone1 shin suki White Mortadela BLACH HEROES Bad Trojan Vicious Minotaur FATprincess - XOXO the legend345 Solia Breton Epicus Brilllluntus Tank Gorillarape LudiKure ninda AfroSunshineY Consequence BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Vesperz TranquillBiscuit ofValor darkiller240 LuckyLuke Wargan Navare Shadow DoomLead Mother Facker NINJAPIRATEROBOTZOMBIE J Siegal Sports Dude xDeceiver Jathniel RA Drahcir Logi Stician 10123Jman Smooth Assassin KING CHECKMATE Gooby FETUS God Anpu Theimmortal Black SaMuRI Lilllllca Foster Akurabis John Mc Geachy Dj grammer OrcsRTough xSaloLx Klash 816 DAMIOS82 GTA V FTW CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP LOGI STICIAN 10123Jam Smooth Assasin king checkmate Gooby FETUS God Anpu Thelmmortal Black SaMuRI Lillica Foster Akurabis John Mc Greachy Dj grammer richiesuitie 2 RA Drahcir skill shooter Xender17 Hasa hakira xxwhite devilxx M DUST Fiend GHOSTtheHITMAN cARDINAL hEALER Heimdallr69 hackerzilla MCIENSTEIN08 dYIVOS noobsniper the 2nd lightning bolt2 Charlotte O'Dell BullsON parade Spycrab Potato Droconous Sarcastic Dreamkiller Spectral Clone CrotchGrab 360 Protocake JR Lorhak Gannarsein Spirit Charm Ninjanomyx Niuvo Aesiron Kor-Azor Thor Odinson42 ninjirate talos Seed Dren MrBlobz if i have missed you out please resign the petition when possible -silver Not being silent My name is in there like 2 times
Jimbo1337 Pure Innocence. EoN. 25	Posted - 2013.08.31 22:10:00 - [46] - Quote Ninjanomyx wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: If you want a respec, then you should pay 60 dollars to them to help make this game better. I mean seriously people. You are playing a FREE game and I have NEVER heard so much whining in my entire life. Go ENJOY the game for once instead of complaining about this and that. This game has been a big disappointment and I am positive that it is due to all of the people on these forums. It seems like they are always taking a step back to please the community when in fact they should be working on what matters. What matters in a video game is that there is always new content. There has been new content added to the game, yet it still feels like it is in beta form. What brand new launch game has TDM, Skirmish, and a knock off dumb downed Skirmish mode? Are you saying changing ppls classes and not leting them spec out of it does not matter? Cuz we cant enjoy the game if we dont have say in how we play. That would be like me telling you what to post on your reply to this thread and having no abliity to change it. Would you enjoy posting on the forums if i made you look like an idiot every time you said something? cuz thats how we feel on the battlefeild when our classes get changed Then stop playing the game if you don't like how they are managing it. I mean...it was FREE after all. FREE for a Freeloader maybe..... You are so Irrelevant it hurts We the Supporters & Founders have every right to make Requests & voice our Concerns. You on the other hand.....not so much If it hurts so much, then please, don't stop. We won't miss you
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 2902	Posted - 2013.08.31 22:11:00 - [47] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: My name is in there like 2 times Indeed. It's not a very honest petition, is it? Out of interest, do you support it?
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 285	Posted - 2013.08.31 22:12:00 - [48] - Quote like i said in a previous thread , respecs should be at least once a year
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1277	Posted - 2013.08.31 22:24:00 - [49] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Are you saying changing ppls classes and not leting them spec out of it does not matter? Cuz we cant enjoy the game if we dont have say in how we play. That would be like me telling you what to post on your reply to this thread and having no abliity to change it. Would you enjoy posting on the forums if i made you look like an idiot every time you said something? cuz thats how we feel on the battlefeild when our classes get changed I am not trying to jump into this thread, but i just want to point out that this is actually a pretty good analogy for the point Exmaple is trying to get across. You can see in other posts that I am against respecs, but this particular situation is different. If numbers are changed/rebalanced but the core functionality of a weapon is changed, then it is the same weapon, regardless of how good it is. That doesnt get a respec. In the case of 1.5, the entire system is being rebuilt from the ground up and it is more than just a rebalance, tanks will not be the same as we know them now. I dont want to say we are entitled to a respec, because we arent, but depending on the changes we see, it would be a good idea to allow reallocation of sp for relevant skills as after 1.5 the tank we specced into might not be the same thing. Imagine if the duvolle assault rifle was suddenly changed to a sidearm, had its stats rebalanced to be in line with the other sidearms and you never got a respec for it...you would be pissed. You specced into ARs as a primary weapon, for that intended use, not as some sidearm....
The Robot Devil Echo Galactic Industries 880	Posted - 2013.08.31 22:24:00 - [50] - Quote Jimbo1337 wrote: So to all the people posting on here: What did you do with your skill points when they gave the optional respecs. Screw up again? I mean seriously... Nobody knew that the laser rifle was going to be utter garbage after chrome so I can understand why people skilled into it and found out that they desperately needed a respec. What did you guys do? Skill into something like the laser rifle AGAIN only to find out that it still sucked? The LR is great it just needs a little tweaking to make it perfect. If I was decent shot then it would be OP.

Cosgar ParagonX 4622	Posted - 2013.08.31 22:25:00 - [51] - Quote How about another character wipe so everyone can STFU about respecs?
Jimbo1337 Pure Innocence. EoN. 25	Posted - 2013.08.31 22:27:00 - [52] - Quote I am perfectly okay with everyone getting a respec under one circumstance. All SP that was used to skill into Flaylocks, MD, Caldari Logi, and Melee will be "Locked" This is coming from someone who wouldn't change one thing in my skill tree. That is all I would ask if this was to be done. If this doesn't seem fair then your intentions for this respec are not pure.
P14GU3 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 346	Posted - 2013.08.31 22:35:00 - [53] - Quote 5P3CTR3 R1S1NG wrote: Reasons why we want respecs : To try a new role To make the right decision To spec into the next FoTM Anti-respect peoples reasons to not give us respecs : We will spec into the FoTM There will probably be a rise in people using protogear They already have the right build they want They already got a respec in uprising(so they don't want to be stomped by new protogear) The main thing I hear from anti-respec people is that "there shouldn't be a respec because people are just gonna spec into the next FoTM". I say let them have their respecs, if they spec into the FoTM again then they are SOL , THEN there shouldn't be any more respecs. The only thing anti-respec people hear when someone mentions a respc is "I wanna spec into the FoTM". Try looking at this respec war from a different point of view then you will see the logic behind both sides We just did that. Ok so we do it ONE MORE TIME. Then two months down the road, CCP adds caldari/mini heavy/scout. MOAR RESPECTS! So when does it end? I say let them make their changes, get all the content in, then we can have one FINAL respec. Until then why bother with respec threads?
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1277	Posted - 2013.08.31 22:36:00 - [54] - Quote Jimbo1337 wrote: I am perfectly okay with everyone getting a respec under one circumstance. All SP that was used to skill into Flaylocks, MD, Caldari Logi, and Melee will be "Locked" This is coming from someone who wouldn't change one thing in my skill tree. That is all I would ask if this was to be done. If this doesn't seem fair then your intentions for this respec are not pure. ah, ** it....im gettin into this thread. jimbo, funny post, yet there is truth there. Ever since day 1 i have specced into tanks and run militia/dren/skinweaves as infantry, so i know just how **** MDs, cores, duvolles, etc. can be. BELIEVE ME i have wanted to spec into them (yay alts) but because i understand that balancing bites the FOTM users in the long run, I have maintained a realistic and SMART allocation of my sp into what i like to play instead of what i think kills the best. Because of this i get to enjoy knowing my sp is safe from the side effects of a ruined character who has sp jumbled into a bunch of subpar things. I play what i like and because i wasnt fickle with my sp my char does what i want it to do and does it WELL
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1277	Posted - 2013.08.31 22:37:00 - [55] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: 5P3CTR3 R1S1NG wrote: Reasons why we want respecs : To try a new role To make the right decision To spec into the next FoTM Anti-respect peoples reasons to not give us respecs : We will spec into the FoTM There will probably be a rise in people using protogear They already have the right build they want They already got a respec in uprising(so they don't want to be stomped by new protogear) The main thing I hear from anti-respec people is that "there shouldn't be a respec because people are just gonna spec into the next FoTM". I say let them have their respecs, if they spec into the FoTM again then they are SOL , THEN there shouldn't be any more respecs. The only thing anti-respec people hear when someone mentions a respc is "I wanna spec into the FoTM". Try looking at this respec war from a different point of view then you will see the logic behind both sides We just did that. Ok so we do it ONE MORE TIME. Then two months down the road, CCP adds caldari/mini heavy/scout. MOAR RESPECTS! So when does it end? I say let them make their changes, get all the content in, then we can have one FINAL respec. Until then why bother with respec threads? that is different. Just like when we get amarr and minny tanks we dont get a respec. This isnt about content adding, it is about getting an sp refund for having the things we specced into being changed into something completely different. Again, if tanks dont change THAT much, which CCP said it will, then no respec for 1.5
The Robot Devil Echo Galactic Industries 880	Posted - 2013.08.31 22:48:00 - [56] - Quote I agree with sp refunds for missing vehicles and suits. Everything else in my eyes is not productive. I don't know how people spent their sp but it shouldn't be dumped into a single skill before trying it out to get a feel for it. I won't put more than level 3 into anything until I have tried it for a while. Militia and basic gear sucks but it does provide some feel for the higher classes. I believe that providing repsecs because of balancing changes is a bad idea. The people who dumped SP into anything without testing it will probably do the same thing if they get refunded and it will cause a whole new cycle of respec threads. Part of playing a CCP game is learning to live with change, I know it sucks but that is how it is. The gear changes will continue for at least a year because we are very good at using things in a way not intended. We break things and flock to "win" buttons and because of this it is difficult to predict how an item will be used and how powerful it will be. I think that a respec makes this more difficult than it already is. We need mercs testing things on all levels of gear and refunded SP allows people to max a skill in 10 seconds instead of the amount of time intended. We need consistent data, yes gear changes alters data and respecs exacerbates the problem. It is hard to prove a negative so giving a reason not to refund is just as difficult as thinking up an original reason for a refund that doesn't sound like whining. If I am for it I am a whiner and if I am against it I am a fan-boy; either way I am stupid. The skills that a merc has SP in is a skill that person want and to me that means that they will put points back in the same set of skills. If these skills are skills that are wanted then why refund them? If the skill is broken then it goes to reason that they will be fixed and when fixed will we need another respec to get back into the skill we want if we were refunded SP? How does it help the game? Refunding points will only make us happy of a few days and then the real problems will surface again. We need content not respecs. We need PVE, suits, vehicles, more SP sinks, more modules and more ways to fight on different maps. When we have these things a refund will not be needed because we will be having fun. We need fun not refunded SP.
5P3CTR3 R1S1NG Pradox One 12	Posted - 2013.08.31 22:50:00 - [57] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: 5P3CTR3 R1S1NG wrote: Reasons why we want respecs : To try a new role To make the right decision To spec into the next FoTM Anti-respect peoples reasons to not give us respecs : We will spec into the FoTM There will probably be a rise in people using protogear They already have the right build they want They already got a respec in uprising(so they don't want to be stomped by new protogear) The main thing I hear from anti-respec people is that "there shouldn't be a respec because people are just gonna spec into the next FoTM". I say let them have their respecs, if they spec into the FoTM again then they are SOL , THEN there shouldn't be any more respecs. The only thing anti-respec people hear when someone mentions a respc is "I wanna spec into the FoTM". Try looking at this respec war from a different point of view then you will see the logic behind both sides We just did that. Ok so we do it ONE MORE TIME. Then two months down the road, CCP adds caldari/mini heavy/scout. MOAR RESPECTS! So when does it end? I say let them make their changes, get all the content in, then we can have one FINAL respec. Until then why bother with respec threads? That's another reason. If we have a solid date on when the new racial things will come out then we could save the SP we got from the respec, or CCP could just refund us the SP , example: Im specced into Gallente Scout and Caldari and Amarr scout comes out, the SP I put into my Gallente scout should be refunded to use on the other racial variants.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1308	Posted - 2013.08.31 22:59:00 - [58] - Quote Until we see the exact changes being made, you have no basis for a respec. Changing how vehicles work might be more comprehensive, but it's no different than changing the behaviour of flaylocks, Tacs, or CalLogis. At the end of the day, the content is still the same content. You skilled into vehicles, so you're keeping vehicles. All you're trying to do is squeeze something you want out of CCP. Your arguments are all proxies for this, not the real reason for receiving this.
5P3CTR3 R1S1NG Pradox One 12	Posted - 2013.08.31 23:04:00 - [59] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Until we see the exact changes being made, you have no basis for a respec. Changing how vehicles work might be more comprehensive, but it's no different than changing the behaviour of flaylocks, Tacs, or CalLogis. At the end of the day, the content is still the same content. You skilled into vehicles, so you're keeping vehicles. All you're trying to do is squeeze something you want out of CCP. Your arguments are all proxies for this, not the real reason for receiving this. Looks like someone already has their perfect build.
The Robot Devil Echo Galactic Industries 880	Posted - 2013.08.31 23:07:00 - [60] - Quote 5P3CTR3 R1S1NG wrote: Reasons why we want respecs : To try a new role To make the right decision To spec into the next FoTM Anti-respect peoples reasons to not give us respecs : We will spec into the FoTM There will probably be a rise in people using protogear They already have the right build they want They already got a respec in uprising(so they don't want to be stomped by new protogear) The main thing I hear from anti-respec people is that "there shouldn't be a respec because people are just gonna spec into the next FoTM". I say let them have their respecs, if they spec into the FoTM and it get nerfed/balanced then they are SOL , THEN there shouldn't be any more respecs. The only thing anti-respec people hear when someone mentions a respec is "I wanna spec into the FoTM". Try looking at this respec war from a different point of view then you will see the logic behind both sides Trying a new role. Most gear has a militia version and if not then level one is usually affordable. To make the right decision. Sorry, we all make mistakes To spec into FoTM. Bad all the way around. Will spec into FoTM. We can't prove this but it does allow them to spec out of FoTM which is bad also. They have the right build they want. I don't know how to answer this. They already had a respec. Yes they did but we are missing "core" items that are needed. I see more negatives than positives and I agree with no refunds until ALL racial items are in game and then only partial respecs for the skills in the same tree as the missing stuff. I am willing to convert but I need better reasons.



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