For the record, I personally do not want a respec. I don't need one, I have my skills where I want them considering the content currently available. The reason I am sort of in favor of a respec is because there have been a lot of vehicles changes being made and those guys skilled into one thing and CCP changed it to something else. Think of it like CCP took their skill points away and instead of giving them back as unallocated they moved them somewhere else.

You know what CCP ... just do it ... the players that are here now are the core of this game, the ones that have stuck with it through thick and thin and will stick with it and promote it and make it good.

What you're doing over the next couple of months you should be able to bring some good balance and roles and hopefully some big improvements to hit detection / lag problems.

So just give an optional respec, hell give an optional asset liquidation aswell (unless you think you can float the market before christmas) ... and make it VERY clear there will never be another one, so if you want the Minmatar Heavy either save your points till it's released (preferably giving a clue how soon) and make do with basic gear till then or skill the Amarr and put up with it till you have the sp to cross train the Minmatar aswell.

I don't really want one, but if you're going to do it I may aswell drop my AV skills and you may aswell cancel 1.5 and start working on something else, cos the way this lot are going on there won't be any vehicles in the game no matter how good you make them.

Signed for the 'Could care less anymore whether you give a respec or not so long as it shuts this lot up' petition.

Trying a new role. Most gear has a militia version and if not then level one is usually affordable.
To make the right decision. Sorry, we all make mistakes
To spec into FoTM. Bad all the way around.
Will spec into FoTM. We can't prove this but it does allow them to spec out of FoTM which is bad also.
They have the right build they want. I don't know how to answer this.
They already had a respec. Yes they did but we are missing "core" items that are needed.


I see more negatives than positives and I agree with no refunds until ALL racial items are in game and then only partial respecs for the skills in the same tree as the missing stuff. I am willing to convert but I need better reasons.

Looks like someone already has their perfect build.

Yup, and even if it changes drastically, it's still going to be the perfect build. That's because I picked the playstyle I wanted, rather than the stats I wanted.

If people don't want tanks anymore, despite the fact that they're still going to be tanks, then it's clear they didn't pick the playstyle they wanted. It's their own fault, they shouldn't be rewarded for it.

ah, **** it....im gettin into this thread.

jimbo, funny post, yet there is truth there. Ever since day 1 i have specced into tanks and run militia/dren/skinweaves as infantry, so i know just how ****** MDs, cores, duvolles, etc. can be. BELIEVE ME i have wanted to spec into them (yay alts) but because i understand that balancing bites the FOTM users in the long run, I have maintained a realistic and SMART allocation of my sp into what i like to play instead of what i think kills the best. Because of this i get to enjoy knowing my sp is safe from the side effects of a ruined character who has sp jumbled into a bunch of subpar things.

I play what i like and because i wasnt fickle with my sp my char does what i want it to do and does it exceptionally well

They have the right build as in they like the way they spent their SP and don't want a respec to happen.

I'm not going to try to force you to change your mind but how long do you think it will take until ALL of the racial variants are out?1 or 2 years? By that time we wont even need a respec or a lot of people will probably have left Dust but who knows.

Yup, and even if it changes drastically, it's still going to be the perfect build. That's because I picked the playstyle I wanted, rather than the stats I wanted.

If people don't want tanks anymore, despite the fact that they're still going to be tanks, then it's clear they didn't pick the playstyle they wanted. It's their own fault, they shouldn't be rewarded for it.

That's exactly one of the points I'm making , you have the build you want and therefore you are saying "No respecs because I have the build I wanted" that's what the majority of anti-respec people say its not like we are all the same , people make different choices and you made a choice that you were happy with. As for vehicles you can utilize those way more than other things if you goof up on them.

I think we may have a fire lit under them and I want to say December for a full line up. I am not being an a#$ but how long of a notice do we need for mercs to prepare. If they were to come out in Dec. would a months notice give us enough time to save for the skill? If a five week notice was given would we need a refund?

Lucky you ... I specced the flaylock on day one because I liked the way it looked on the video and it worked great with my Swarms (a little too great) so it became a FotM and got nerfed ... since that nerf it simply doesn't register damage if I hit someone square in the chest or right between their feet, so I've got well over a million sp invested in flaylock but I run with a skill free Toxin SMG now for the fitting requirements and I've got it up to level 3 or 4 operation now.

Not saying I want a respec per se (see my above post for this opinion) I'm just saying lucky you that what you skilled in still works ! and hopefully hit detection will render my points useful again since I've heard other people say it's still useable.

But that's the problem we don't know when or even a timeframe of when they will come out and even if they did come out there shouldn't be a full respec for every time something new comes out.

This is why dust needs a Test server like Eve.

That's exactly one of the points I'm making , you have the build you want and therefore you are saying "No respecs because I have the build I wanted" that's what the majority of anti-respec people say its not like we are all the same , people make different choices and you made a choice that you were happy with. As for vehicles you can utilize those way more than other things if you goof up on them.

But that's the problem we don't know when or even a timeframe of when they will come out and even if they did come out there shouldn't be a full respec for every time something new comes out.

This is why dust needs a Test server like Eve.

We are the test server, balancing the game is fun and creates conflict. Until we have higher numbers a test server isn't worth the time and effort.

Respecs for unhappy allocation isn't a good reason for refunds like being happy with my placement is not a reason against. I love my builds but I made mistakes and I skilled into things I don't like or are unhappy with performance. There is nothing I can do about it and I moved on, I want ewar so I speced into active scanners, they feel pointless. I will use them again and they will be tweaked so my SP wasn't wasted. That doesn't mean I am happy about it but I suck it up and keep going. The main point I try to keep making is try before blindly dumping into high level skills. It does help.

That's a problem, most cant extensively try something out unless you have aurum, and some people don't even have aurum. and you may say "make an alt and try it out" remember not everyone thinks the same so most wouldn't think of that or they just don't have the SP.

Not having a test server didn't created any problems. It may help find some but it didn't create any. The problems we have are normal problems. The problems seem worse because of the SP system. We feel locked into a role and we feel like prototype gear is the only answer to every problem. We don't try before we buy and we are used to games that allow us to do anything we want pretty much whenever we want without consequences. It is a mentality problem more than anything.

Most items have militia versions and most level one skills are cheap (five battles cheap), not being able to try anything because of lack of real life money isn't a valid argument. All items are available in game for ISK.

Which requires you to use SP to obtain which nullifies but at the same time help your statement

Which requires you to use SP to obtain which nullifies but at the same time help your statement

most level one skills are cheap (five battles cheap)

That SP argument could potentially be a partial counter to the post if it hadn't included this part:

Malitia require no skill and yes level one cost sp but it so little I don't consider it a cost. When I say try before by I mean try before spending level 3 points on and item you haven't used. Aura items require skill points so they are in the same place as any other item. Aur items are a trap like lottery tickets, if you believe that they help you win then you have already lost.

Well as i have said before to me there really are 2 options that CCP has to make this game very successful.
The first and probably most popular would be to have a REAL play test server. This would be a server where hundred of hardcore gamers are invited to play. This is where players get all sorts of goodies to play with and break and such before released to the general public. They would have first crack at everything and get to have all sorts of fun testing weapons that on initial release are OP. CCP would get all sorts of data on this and be able to release a balanced weapon.

However i have no confidence that will ever be the case.
So because of CCP's lack of ability to release balanced weapons and such i believe that they should be very willing to give out at the very least partial re-specs.

This would apply any time they make major changes to any item and allow people that specked into said item to change their mind.
I consider this holing CCP to the same standards they hold players to. If i spec into a dropsuit that has a ehp of 2k with no mods and has the run speed of an assault suit then a month later ccp cuts the ehps in half and makes it as slow as a heavy i should be able to get those sp's back. Its not my fault they released a very desirable product to me that didnt require a glitch to make it awesome.
Yes this would result in a lot of what people call flavor of the month. Keep in mind this is not my preferred solution either. I would prefer a test server