AR requires skill?!
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You realize MD already has like 3rd smallest clip and ROF, and the 2nd highest fitting cost.

Do you even dust bro?

It needs a definate splash reduction (-1m like in 1.0,) if after testing we find that isn't enough, then a possible splash damage reduction. TBH the MD is nowhere near what the TAC/Flay problem was. You can't really spam an MD contrary to popular belief. Modded controller spammed Tac, 3 explosion in less than a second from flay? MD issue is that it was made to destroy armor, which is slowest suit, and then has a HUGE radius, making it near impossible to get away.

This is your definition of skill? Accuracy only? Lol to this

AR with it's zero recoil recoil is not a skill weapon, it's like a laser with added damage.

Also, MD's splash is kinda funny as you can away from the said area...

Just in case you mad

Honestly the AR is not a skilled weapon. Its not as easy as a mass driver but its still not a skilled weapon. Sniper guns sure are but i wish they had to account for wind and bullet drop.

So this kills me. MD users don't aim. So splash is what ~125 dmg? So say you have 600 ehp, that's 4-6 shots depending on shield or armor. If you can't kill a MD user of equal ehp within 4-6 seconds with an AR, your bad. If the MD user is killing you in less than 4-6 shots, your being direct hit, so aiming?

The point about cover is just a bad arguement. The MDs job is to push people out of cover, so the AR guys can slaughter them. So working as intended?

has anyone managed to excel at the plasma cannon? I have never tried it. I occasionally see someone on my team using one, but have never been killed by one in the last 3 months of playing regularly

Oh please.

You dont need skill to use me, I'm so sexy () that anyone that uses me automatically becomes effective in combat situations.

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You are aware that AR are in every Shooter in history right, as a matter of fact in real life too.... So how is a weapon which is the most commonly understood weapon be not skillful when everyone understand precision is key to skillful shooting...

there is no optimal range for the MD because its a explosive weapon.... its limited by the range of its explosion, and gaining higher elevation is a fair tactics, but trajectory drop in this game with the MD is not that skillful considering how games like Battlefield 3 has bullet drop for every weapon including Rifles. So again how is splash damage for skillful than on the mark hitting your target

AR, snipers, Scrambler, and anything which requires precision without splash damage is skillful.....


Massdrivers, and flaylocks are not skillful..... WTF is so difficult to understand about that? splash damage vs on the mark hitting your targets, but for some reason some people believe MD and Flaylocks are skill based even though it has a blast radius.... Its like if i was saying Rocket launchers in halo are skillful weapons.... holy smokes. weapons are pretty appropriate right now, maybe the mass driver could use a distance nerf and thats all. And the railgun turret (small one) could use some actually buffing.

But as of right now I feel the weapons are in their appropriate places...

later today, I was killed by a plasma cannon for the first time.....

AR, snipers, Scrambler, and anything which requires precision without splash damage is skillful.....


Massdrivers, and flaylocks are not skillful..... WTF is so difficult to understand about that? splash damage vs on the mark hitting your targets, but for some reason some people believe MD and Flaylocks are skill based even though it has a blast radius.... Its like if i was saying Rocket launchers in halo are skillful weapons.... holy smokes. weapons are pretty appropriate right now, maybe the mass driver could use a distance nerf and thats all. And the railgun turret (small one) could use some actually buffing.

But as of right now I feel the weapons are in their appropriate places...

Honestly the AR is not a skilled weapon. Its not as easy as a mass driver but its still not a skilled weapon. Sniper guns sure are but i wish they had to account for wind and bullet drop.

was it me? i have gone over 10 kills now with it in a single match w/o using my sidearm.

Read this whole thread, laughing the whole way. The reason the AR has been and will be the most used weapon, because it is easy to use. Seeing a surge in MD lately? Good. That is called diversity. Getting killed by it often? Yeah, it doesn't shoot hugs. It is amusing to me to see so many pick it up (still less than AR) because a large majority are not good with it. If you fight in close proximity to a MD, the fight isn't in your favor. Same way if they are above you. At its core its a SURPRESSIVE weapon. If you insist on running into surpessive fire, be my guest.

ROFL as your...."its a suppressive weapon"...yea thats why when I run with the MD I charge at 3 guys and laugh as I blow them all the smitherins.......yea its definitely a suppressive fire weapon and cannot be used effectively in run n gun situations....




Oh wait yes it can because the majority of the times its used in PC its being used as a run n gun weapon because its extremely effective in this role..........

In some situations it is suppresive, but is a breaching tool (ala description) which means it is designed for short range group combat, because the fact an ar only needs 40% accuracy to beat it isn't enough!!

Yea and the obvious fact that you all fail to even comprehend is that if the MD hits an AR user once in its AOE the MD user can then continue to pump out rounds without fear of being shot back due to the aim jerk the explosive creates. I have played with MD enough to know that as long as the 3 AR users stay within the blast radius of my MD I will not even take 1 shot from them once I start hitting them with AOE. You act like its so difficult...whats so difficult about a weapon that....lets say....cycles every second but creates a stunning/ineffective aiming effect on your enemy for about 1.5 seconds?

I could care less if there are 3 ppl with ARs shooting my direction once I hit them I am basically invincible from taking any further dmg from them as their aim jerks up and becomes completely ineffective for the duration of my clip. I have even faced HMGs in CQC with the heavy being at full HP and completely destroyed the heavy due to this ability to creat a weapon jerk (it seems to be less noticeable on heavies but it still exists).

Put it this way if the ar had 30 round mag, and requires more than 50% accuracy, then it requires moderate skill, if the md had a smaller blast radius it would require moderate skill, no weapon takes skill, this is how they are designed you reckon the army fields them over lsw s because they require more skill, or because they are cheap, simple and easy to maintain?

Im in no way saying its difficult, nor am I saying its easy, but you realise the barrel jerk applies to ads, and it happens with all weapons not just mass driver, the only difference is we kick up a little dust.

If your beating 3 ar s in cqc its not a problem with the md, there just poor, three people require 2 shots each a second and the md user will drop dead, surely 3 people can manage 6 shots out of 36 hitting while hip firing??