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Posted - 2013.09.02 14:15:00 -
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Honestly if you want to get down to it.....there is no skill weapon in this game. All weapons that fire bullets are hit scan.....which means its easy to use (this definitely includes snipers). All weapons that are not hit scan have an AOE blast radius. There is literally no weapon that takes any true FPS skill to use properly.
Now that being said.....the hit scan weapons which require precise target aquisition and tracking take more skill to use at all ranges than a weapon that has an AOE blast radius. Now obviously if you start talking about using a weapons outside of its effective radius then yes that will start to take more skill.....IE its takes more skill to use the forge gun in CQC than long range.....same with sniper. Its takes more skill to use the MD at long ranges (because its not meant to be used that way). With all rifles being hit scan and being made to be effective in both CQC and medium range battles then of course your not going to see a huge increase of skill needed to combat at both of those ranges...instead the skill increase you see for the rifles is going to be strafing skills. |
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Posted - 2013.09.02 14:17:00 -
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RedZer0 MK1 wrote:Read this whole thread, laughing the whole way. The reason the AR has been and will be the most used weapon, because it is easy to use. Seeing a surge in MD lately? Good. That is called diversity. Getting killed by it often? Yeah, it doesn't shoot hugs. It is amusing to me to see so many pick it up (still less than AR) because a large majority are not good with it. If you fight in close proximity to a MD, the fight isn't in your favor. Same way if they are above you. At its core its a SURPRESSIVE weapon. If you insist on running into surpessive fire, be my guest.
ROFL as your...."its a suppressive weapon"...yea thats why when I run with the MD I charge at 3 guys and laugh as I blow them all the smitherins.......yea its definitely a suppressive fire weapon and cannot be used effectively in run n gun situations....
Oh wait yes it can because the majority of the times its used in PC its being used as a run n gun weapon because its extremely effective in this role.......... |
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Posted - 2013.09.02 14:18:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Burntface man112 wrote:AR, snipers, Scrambler, and anything which requires precision without splash damage is skillful.....
Massdrivers, and flaylocks are not skillful..... WTF is so difficult to understand about that? splash damage vs on the mark hitting your targets, but for some reason some people believe MD and Flaylocks are skill based even though it has a blast radius.... Its like if i was saying Rocket launchers in halo are skillful weapons.... holy smokes. weapons are pretty appropriate right now, maybe the mass driver could use a distance nerf and thats all. And the railgun turret (small one) could use some actually buffing.
But as of right now I feel the weapons are in their appropriate places... I main SMG's and Plasma cannons with my scout loadout. You mean Plasma cannons Dont need SKill?
LOL
Nope they need luck...... |
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Posted - 2013.09.02 14:32:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:RedZer0 MK1 wrote:Read this whole thread, laughing the whole way. The reason the AR has been and will be the most used weapon, because it is easy to use. Seeing a surge in MD lately? Good. That is called diversity. Getting killed by it often? Yeah, it doesn't shoot hugs. It is amusing to me to see so many pick it up (still less than AR) because a large majority are not good with it. If you fight in close proximity to a MD, the fight isn't in your favor. Same way if they are above you. At its core its a SURPRESSIVE weapon. If you insist on running into surpessive fire, be my guest. ROFL as your...."its a suppressive weapon"...yea thats why when I run with the MD I charge at 3 guys and laugh as I blow them all the smitherins.......yea its definitely a suppressive fire weapon and cannot be used effectively in run n gun situations.... Oh wait yes it can because the majority of the times its used in PC its being used as a run n gun weapon because its extremely effective in this role.......... In some situations it is suppresive, but is a breaching tool (ala description) which means it is designed for short range group combat, because the fact an ar only needs 40% accuracy to beat it isn't enough!!
Yea and the obvious fact that you all fail to even comprehend is that if the MD hits an AR user once in its AOE the MD user can then continue to pump out rounds without fear of being shot back due to the aim jerk the explosive creates. I have played with MD enough to know that as long as the 3 AR users stay within the blast radius of my MD I will not even take 1 shot from them once I start hitting them with AOE. You act like its so difficult...whats so difficult about a weapon that....lets say....cycles every second but creates a stunning/ineffective aiming effect on your enemy for about 1.5 seconds?
I could care less if there are 3 ppl with ARs shooting my direction once I hit them I am basically invincible from taking any further dmg from them as their aim jerks up and becomes completely ineffective for the duration of my clip. I have even faced HMGs in CQC with the heavy being at full HP and completely destroyed the heavy due to this ability to creat a weapon jerk (it seems to be less noticeable on heavies but it still exists). |
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Posted - 2013.09.02 14:40:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Put it this way if the ar had 30 round mag, and requires more than 50% accuracy, then it requires moderate skill, if the md had a smaller blast radius it would require moderate skill, no weapon takes skill, this is how they are designed you reckon the army fields them over lsw s because they require more skill, or because they are cheap, simple and easy to maintain?
CHeap.....simple......
You apparently know nothing about the M16, M4 or any of the M# weapons for the US military. Easy to maintain??? Hardly the M16s and M4s have a history of being one of the worst ARs ever made. They are horrible about jamming have tons of parts that need to be cleaned and they are not very rugged.
You wanna know why the AK47 is perhaps the most prolific....well known.....and copied weapon? Easy...Its simple, effective, and you can basically beat it up and it will continue to shoot effectively. The M16s/etc.....you mistreat them and they will throw a fit and not work properly for you.
I understand the point your trying to make and honestly if the AR clip was to be brought down 45 would be ok....30 is too few when you include hit detection issues which would cause about 1/4-1/3 of the bullets to just disappear into the void. But to be fair if you lower the AR mag size then you need to lower the, Laser rifle, scrambler rifle, HMG, SMG mag size as well. |
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Posted - 2013.09.02 14:41:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:RedZer0 MK1 wrote:Read this whole thread, laughing the whole way. The reason the AR has been and will be the most used weapon, because it is easy to use. Seeing a surge in MD lately? Good. That is called diversity. Getting killed by it often? Yeah, it doesn't shoot hugs. It is amusing to me to see so many pick it up (still less than AR) because a large majority are not good with it. If you fight in close proximity to a MD, the fight isn't in your favor. Same way if they are above you. At its core its a SURPRESSIVE weapon. If you insist on running into surpessive fire, be my guest. ROFL as your...."its a suppressive weapon"...yea thats why when I run with the MD I charge at 3 guys and laugh as I blow them all the smitherins.......yea its definitely a suppressive fire weapon and cannot be used effectively in run n gun situations.... Oh wait yes it can because the majority of the times its used in PC its being used as a run n gun weapon because its extremely effective in this role.......... In some situations it is suppresive, but is a breaching tool (ala description) which means it is designed for short range group combat, because the fact an ar only needs 40% accuracy to beat it isn't enough!! Yea and the obvious fact that you all fail to even comprehend is that if the MD hits an AR user once in its AOE the MD user can then continue to pump out rounds without fear of being shot back due to the aim jerk the explosive creates. I have played with MD enough to know that as long as the 3 AR users stay within the blast radius of my MD I will not even take 1 shot from them once I start hitting them with AOE. You act like its so difficult...whats so difficult about a weapon that....lets say....cycles every second but creates a stunning/ineffective aiming effect on your enemy for about 1.5 seconds? I could care less if there are 3 ppl with ARs shooting my direction once I hit them I am basically invincible from taking any further dmg from them as their aim jerks up and becomes completely ineffective for the duration of my clip. I have even faced HMGs in CQC with the heavy being at full HP and completely destroyed the heavy due to this ability to creat a weapon jerk (it seems to be less noticeable on heavies but it still exists). Im in no way saying its difficult, nor am I saying its easy, but you realise the barrel jerk applies to ads, and it happens with all weapons not just mass driver, the only difference is we kick up a little dust. If your beating 3 ar s in cqc its not a problem with the md, there just poor, three people require 2 shots each a second and the md user will drop dead, surely 3 people can manage 6 shots out of 36 hitting while hip firing??
No only explosive weapons create a barrel jerk. |
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:14:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:
In some situations it is suppresive, but is a breaching tool (ala description) which means it is designed for short range group combat, because the fact an ar only needs 40% accuracy to beat it isn't enough!!
Yea and the obvious fact that you all fail to even comprehend is that if the MD hits an AR user once in its AOE the MD user can then continue to pump out rounds without fear of being shot back due to the aim jerk the explosive creates. I have played with MD enough to know that as long as the 3 AR users stay within the blast radius of my MD I will not even take 1 shot from them once I start hitting them with AOE. You act like its so difficult...whats so difficult about a weapon that....lets say....cycles every second but creates a stunning/ineffective aiming effect on your enemy for about 1.5 seconds? I could care less if there are 3 ppl with ARs shooting my direction once I hit them I am basically invincible from taking any further dmg from them as their aim jerks up and becomes completely ineffective for the duration of my clip. I have even faced HMGs in CQC with the heavy being at full HP and completely destroyed the heavy due to this ability to creat a weapon jerk (it seems to be less noticeable on heavies but it still exists). Im in no way saying its difficult, nor am I saying its easy, but you realise the barrel jerk applies to ads, and it happens with all weapons not just mass driver, the only difference is we kick up a little dust. If your beating 3 ar s in cqc its not a problem with the md, there just poor, three people require 2 shots each a second and the md user will drop dead, surely 3 people can manage 6 shots out of 36 hitting while hip firing?? No only explosive weapons create a barrel jerk. Test it then and post a video here and ill eat my hat!!  Its there just not as noticable because it doesn't blow up!!
No video recording device....nor do I care enough to take the time out of my day to prove this.......I know that when I am hit with other weapons I dont have a huge aim jerk that requires time to recover from like the MD.
Oh and LOL I didnt even think about the fact that you could be talking about another military......
Edit: And if I was to do this then you will need to post a video of you cooking up and eating your hat......just sayin  |
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