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Burntface man112
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2013.08.31 04:50:00 -
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AR, snipers, Scrambler, and anything which requires precision without splash damage is skillful.....
Massdrivers, and flaylocks are not skillful..... WTF is so difficult to understand about that? splash damage vs on the mark hitting your targets, but for some reason some people believe MD and Flaylocks are skill based even though it has a blast radius.... Its like if i was saying Rocket launchers in halo are skillful weapons.... holy smokes. weapons are pretty appropriate right now, maybe the mass driver could use a distance nerf and thats all. And the railgun turret (small one) could use some actually buffing.
But as of right now I feel the weapons are in their appropriate places... |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Better Academy.
567
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Posted - 2013.08.31 04:51:00 -
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AR doesn't require skill. Just hold R1 and swipe your hit-scan death beam across the enemy a few times ??? Profit! |
Burntface man112
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2013.08.31 04:53:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:AR doesn't require skill. Just hold R1 and swipe your hit-scan death beam across the enemy a few times ??? Profit! your an idiot, the bullets made contact with you body because i pointed it at your body.... while flaylock or MD i just gotta aim at your shoes and miss several times but you will still die.... |
Burntface man112
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2013.08.31 04:57:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:AR doesn't require skill. Just hold R1 and swipe your hit-scan death beam across the enemy a few times ??? Profit! You are aware that AR are in every Shooter in history right, as a matter of fact in real life too.... So how is a weapon which is the most commonly understood weapon be not skillful when everyone understand precision is key to skillful shooting... |
Thumb Green
Novashift
357
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Posted - 2013.08.31 04:59:00 -
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To be fair, when not used in CQC the MD does require a slight bit of skill but that skill is simply getting used to the firing arch and the travel time at various distances. However most don't use it that way; most just hop around like a jack rabbit 1-15 meters away from you while shooting in the direction of your feet. |
Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
166
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Posted - 2013.08.31 04:59:00 -
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They require the basic human motor skill of hand eye coordination that is all. |
Burntface man112
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2013.08.31 05:01:00 -
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Henchmen21 wrote:They require the basic human motor skill of hand eye coordination that is all. basic which is the key word |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Better Academy.
567
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Posted - 2013.08.31 05:02:00 -
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Burntface man112 wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:AR doesn't require skill. Just hold R1 and swipe your hit-scan death beam across the enemy a few times ??? Profit! You are aware that AR are in every Shooter in history right, as a matter of fact in real life too.... So how is a weapon which is the most commonly understood weapon be not skillful when everyone understand precision is key to skillful shooting... No need for precision, just swipe away! It's so easy mode even the basic starter suits come with it fitted. I'm ashamed of myself whenever I got from my scrambler pistol doing about 12/0 and pick up the easy-I-WIN-button AR and knock out a 22 kdr. It's so easymode even YOU can use it :D |
Burntface man112
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2013.08.31 05:04:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Burntface man112 wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:AR doesn't require skill. Just hold R1 and swipe your hit-scan death beam across the enemy a few times ??? Profit! You are aware that AR are in every Shooter in history right, as a matter of fact in real life too.... So how is a weapon which is the most commonly understood weapon be not skillful when everyone understand precision is key to skillful shooting... No need for precision, just swipe away! It's so easy mode even the basic starter suits come with it fitted. I'm ashamed of myself whenever I got from my scrambler pistol doing about 12/0 and pick up the easy-I-WIN-button AR and knock out a 22 kdr. It's so easymode even YOU can use it :D lmao yes i can use it because it so easy than i point and shoot your body... but MD and flaylocks are godmode easy since i dont even need to point at your body to get the hit i just gotta shoot your feet 2 meters away from you.... |
Burntface man112
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2013.08.31 05:06:00 -
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Burntface man112 wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Burntface man112 wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:AR doesn't require skill. Just hold R1 and swipe your hit-scan death beam across the enemy a few times ??? Profit! You are aware that AR are in every Shooter in history right, as a matter of fact in real life too.... So how is a weapon which is the most commonly understood weapon be not skillful when everyone understand precision is key to skillful shooting... No need for precision, just swipe away! It's so easy mode even the basic starter suits come with it fitted. I'm ashamed of myself whenever I got from my scrambler pistol doing about 12/0 and pick up the easy-I-WIN-button AR and knock out a 22 kdr. It's so easymode even YOU can use it :D lmao yes i can use it because it so easy than i point and shoot your body... but MD and flaylocks are godmode easy since i dont even need to point at your body to get the hit i just gotta shoot your feet 2 meters away from you.... We can run in circles about this buddy but which is easier?? shooting directly at your body, or shooting 2 meters away from your body and still hitting you....... please tell me you have the common sense to give the correct answer |
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Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
754
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Posted - 2013.08.31 05:36:00 -
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Burntface man112 wrote:Burntface man112 wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Burntface man112 wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:AR doesn't require skill. Just hold R1 and swipe your hit-scan death beam across the enemy a few times ??? Profit! You are aware that AR are in every Shooter in history right, as a matter of fact in real life too.... So how is a weapon which is the most commonly understood weapon be not skillful when everyone understand precision is key to skillful shooting... No need for precision, just swipe away! It's so easy mode even the basic starter suits come with it fitted. I'm ashamed of myself whenever I got from my scrambler pistol doing about 12/0 and pick up the easy-I-WIN-button AR and knock out a 22 kdr. It's so easymode even YOU can use it :D lmao yes i can use it because it so easy than i point and shoot your body... but MD and flaylocks are godmode easy since i dont even need to point at your body to get the hit i just gotta shoot your feet 2 meters away from you.... We can run in circles about this buddy but which is easier?? shooting directly at your body, or shooting 2 meters away from your body and still hitting you....... please tell me you have the common sense to give the correct answer
The AR is NOT a precision weapon, it is a spray weapon. It may not be an AOE weapon but it still requires little to no skill to hit with it. If it was being used properly, the Mass Driver WOULD require far more skill to hit with at the medium range it is intended for. |
Thurak1
Psygod9
87
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Posted - 2013.08.31 05:47:00 -
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Honestly the AR is not a skilled weapon. Its not as easy as a mass driver but its still not a skilled weapon. Sniper guns sure are but i wish they had to account for wind and bullet drop. |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
657
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Posted - 2013.08.31 05:53:00 -
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I'd like to see you hit a moving target at a slightly higher elevation from 50 yards with an MD. |
Tupni
Capital Acquisitions LLC Public Disorder.
37
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Posted - 2013.08.31 06:05:00 -
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Thurak1 wrote:Honestly the AR is not a skilled weapon. Its not as easy as a mass driver but its still not a skilled weapon. Sniper guns sure are but i wish they had to account for wind and bullet drop.
Back in the beta, there was a test Sniper Rifle you could buy that had a physics system. I never sniped enough to get around to messing with it myself, but some people thought it was fun; mostly it was considered a hassle I think. Sort of like how dropships are now flying bricks that seldom see any meaningful use versus the fun helicopters they used to be. |
AnALogginS
S.e.V.e.N.
102
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Posted - 2013.08.31 06:08:00 -
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MD is for losers |
AnALogginS
S.e.V.e.N.
102
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Posted - 2013.08.31 06:10:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:I'd like to see you hit a moving target at a slightly higher elevation from 50 yards with an MD.
Who cares about that? What about when theres 2 or 3 of them right in front of you? |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Better Academy.
572
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Posted - 2013.08.31 06:11:00 -
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AnALogginS wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:I'd like to see you hit a moving target at a slightly higher elevation from 50 yards with an MD. Who cares about that? What about when theres 2 or 3 of them right in front of you? 2 or 3 ARs? You are probably dead. |
Morathi III
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
211
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Posted - 2013.08.31 06:12:00 -
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Burntface man112 wrote:AR, snipers, Scrambler, and anything which requires precision without splash damage is skillful.....
Massdrivers, and flaylocks are not skillful..... WTF is so difficult to understand about that? splash damage vs on the mark hitting your targets, but for some reason some people believe MD and Flaylocks are skill based even though it has a blast radius.... Its like if i was saying Rocket launchers in halo are skillful weapons.... holy smokes. weapons are pretty appropriate right now, maybe the mass driver could use a distance nerf and thats all. And the railgun turret (small one) could use some actually buffing.
But as of right now I feel the weapons are in their appropriate places... This is your definition of skill? Accuracy only? Lol to this |
Auld Syne
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
83
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Posted - 2013.08.31 06:16:00 -
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Thurak1 wrote:Honestly the AR is not a skilled weapon. Its not as easy as a mass driver but its still not a skilled weapon. Sniper guns sure are but i wish they had to account for wind and bullet drop. Sniper guns!? Did you really just say Sniper Gun?
Get out, I should flag your post as offensive as well. |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
754
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Posted - 2013.08.31 06:35:00 -
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Tupni wrote:Thurak1 wrote:Honestly the AR is not a skilled weapon. Its not as easy as a mass driver but its still not a skilled weapon. Sniper guns sure are but i wish they had to account for wind and bullet drop. Back in the beta, there was a test Sniper Rifle you could buy that had a physics system. I never sniped enough to get around to messing with it myself, but some people thought it was fun; mostly it was considered a hassle I think. Sort of like how dropships are now flying bricks that seldom see any meaningful use versus the fun helicopters they used to be.
Awh they got rid of the Experimental Rifle? That makes me so sad :c They should have made it an AV tool or something so that people would use it, a Anti-Materiel level Sniper to reward those who chose to throw themselves to physics. They really need to bring it back once they fine tune the hit detection and rendering issues. |
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1893
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Posted - 2013.08.31 06:46:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:AR doesn't require skill. Just hold R1 and swipe your hit-scan death beam across the enemy a few times ??? Profit!
That also applies to the SMG, HMG, assault scrambler rifle, laser rifle, large and small blaster turrets, and in the future likely the magsec smg and a possible assault variant of the combat rifle and rail rifles
So quit being salty just because you were killed |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514
755
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Posted - 2013.08.31 06:55:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:AR doesn't require skill. Just hold R1 and swipe your hit-scan death beam across the enemy a few times ??? Profit! That also applies to the SMG, HMG, assault scrambler rifle, laser rifle, large and small blaster turrets, and in the future likely the magsec smg and a possible assault variant of the combat rifle and rail rifles So quit being salty just because you were killed
I'd argue the point with the LR as it does pitiful damage if you don't focus well on your target. The AR shoots projectiles, each with a set amount of damage, while the LR has a more Damage over Time effect. Furthermore, the LR WILL overheat and bite you, but you need to get it near overheat before it has decent output. The HMG and SMG are similar to this as they have far lower damage per bullet than the AR and an actual dispersion cone, enduring that not all bullets hit no matter how well you aim. The AScR also has the dispersion cone, and will overheat if you fire it like an AR without diving it a moment to rest. As for the Turrets the Small is like the H/SMG, and the Large like the AScR if it did immense damage per shot. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
316
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Posted - 2013.08.31 07:04:00 -
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Burntface man112 wrote:Henchmen21 wrote:They require the basic human motor skill of hand eye coordination that is all. basic which is the key word Hand-eye coordination in Dust 514 is through the use of a controller or keyboard, not a digital weapon. Therefor all weapons are ether OP or UP together since there is little difference in movements. Finally we all win or lose as one. Oh happy day. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Top Men.
1260
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Posted - 2013.08.31 07:10:00 -
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Skill is defined by effective employment of combat arms in the field.
If you can go 22/0 with an AR it's skill.
if you go 22/0 with a mass driver it's still skill.
But somehow if you accomplish the second feet it means you were abusing the "Noobtoob"
Shut up and get out. Arguments like this are idiotic and depend on the premise that the weapon is the only factor in the game. Anyone who believes that has a bright future in goonfeet. Our 10 mil Spy insurance fee is quite generous. |
Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder.
365
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Posted - 2013.08.31 07:28:00 -
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The Mass Driver is the epitome of the phrase " A minute to learn, a lifetime to master", because maining the MD requires you to always manage your optimal range. The MD is the most affected by elevation; your weapon gets a hell of alot better, or a hell of alot worse even with slight elevation differences. Knowing exactly where to shoot above 25 meters without wasting shots is important, especially as a Logi, since you die after 6-8. Then there are the blindshooting tactics to avoid snipers and in PC placing your shots where your allies aren't harmed by them(Assault MD especially)
The MD takes more skill to survive, especially the Assault and Breach. You may can get by with the standard alot of situations, but with the Assault and Breach you're in optimal, or you suck.
Honesty though, skill doesn't matter, weapon balance does. You can complain about getting killed by Ryu's Hadoken spam, good players beat them. |
SGT Garrisson
T.R.I.A.D
67
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Posted - 2013.08.31 07:52:00 -
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doesn't matter what weapon i use it still bloody misses even when i'm shooting an afker lol
well not quite that bad but it still sucks AR skilled weapon unskilled weapon u could argue about this forever
me i just find all weapons a pain in the arse tracking a red dot is terrible atm ( regardless of settings and no its not my internet)
people use AR as spray and prey because the hit detection sensitivity are still wonky i get more headshots hip firing with crosshairs slightly high on the red dot than i do with a sniper rifle
as for AR verses MD its a pain more times than i can count ive been within 5 meters of a md welding red dot for him to shoot 3 rounds at my feet killing me but taking no damage himself if i recall spalsh radius of md is 5.5
my ar rounds do actually have to hit him directly he can just shoot the ground not caring where he aims |
Charlotte O'Dell
0uter.Heaven
1254
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Posted - 2013.08.31 08:20:00 -
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Burntface man112 wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:AR doesn't require skill. Just hold R1 and swipe your hit-scan death beam across the enemy a few times ??? Profit! your an idiot, the bullets made contact with you body because i pointed it at your body.... while flaylock or MD i just gotta aim at your shoes and miss several times but you will still die....
i had to point in your general direction with a mass driver, too.
point is: ar is a no skill high rof high dps hit scan noob toob |
Oswald Rehnquist
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
153
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Posted - 2013.08.31 09:08:00 -
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Top Two Skill weapons Scram Pistol (my main) Nova Knife
Lowest Two Skill Weapons AR Mass Driver
I base this off the fact that they take the least amount of investment to bring solid returns. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
415
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Posted - 2013.08.31 09:18:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:To be fair, when not used in CQC the MD does require a slight bit of skill but that skill is simply getting used to the firing arch and the travel time at various distances. However most don't use it that way; most just hop around like a jack rabbit 1-15 meters away from you while shooting in the direction of your feet.
Because it's a better shotgun than the shotgun |
Akdhar Saif
CybinSect
49
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Posted - 2013.08.31 09:18:00 -
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Either reduce the MDs Clip size or rate of fire. Or just increase it's fitting read so you can't use anything else. |
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