After being proficient in many weapons I would agree that most the ppl whining have only tried one weapon or so and do not know how to counter it properly. AR users specifically. Tell me this if the MD is so over powered then how in a PC battle with Teamplayers did it take me 15 shots from a boundless to down one TP proto guy. Im at proficieny 3 with an enhanced damage mod. He was hacking a supply depot so most all shots hit him within a meter or two. Most ppl run auto ARs and only autos so most time they are within its range and they die the most. Hence lots of ppl complaining because it is AR 514 still. If the MD was the biggest noob weapon and the most overpowered then why do all noobs and 90 percent of ppl run ARs. I say nerf the auto AR and make its recoil get worse the longer they fire it at full auto.

So after seeing threads with both sides giving pros and cons, running mass drivers since Uprising 1.0 (When I Srarted), and being killed just as often I have had found a few things.

When aim assist is returned MD will die as the "FOTM" so many believe it to be, its lack of damage in comparison to auto weaponry will be its downfall.

Sometimes the MD is a LITTLE to easy in cqc, there have been multiple times where I believe I should have been hit by my own splash but wasn't ahd is that is causing the problem where people believe the MD is OP.

So a simple fix is to increase user only splash radius, to maybe 6-7 m on standard, and 8-9m on assault.

So a user and enemy 5m from blast will take damage while at 6.5 only the user will take damage, higher risk, discourages spam, rewards skill, what are people's thoughts??

I got totally stomped by a proto Freedom MD in yesterdays CBs.

The thing is that he can bunny hop, strafe like a madman and still hit me no problem, same as I can when I use my MD.

For me to track him with my Duvolle with the customary drop in framerate and hit detection was close to impossible. I had a moment where I went through 3 entire Duvolle clips at 10-15 M distance and I barely scratched his shields.

If he was using any other weapon in the game than the MD, he wouldn't stand a chance OF hitting me enough to take me out the way he moved.

The traditional dilemma in any FPS is that the more you move, the more bullets will you dodge and stay alive longer. This however, comes at the cost of your own accuracy being diminshed severely, and it will take you longer to kill your opponent the more you move.

This however is not the case with the MD, you are free to move like speedy Gonzales on crack, and still land shot after shot hitting your enemy.

MD = EZ mode.

No matter what you say, you are all deluding yourself , any good FPS player can pick up a MD with very little skill invested and dominate CQC gameplay.

NOT WORKING AS INTENDED.

ok you can increase damage done to your self...

No you are deluding yourself, if someone with a mass driver were to stand still he wouldn't stand a chance the militia ar has 3 times the dps, if you are engaging him at less than 20m this is md ideal situation, even more so if in a corridor.

Try moving backwards while shooting you may notice some people will miss you!! If the md user isnt allowed to dodge than why do ar users do it.

stop deluding yourself that your a decent fps player, because your story you can't aim, youll be getting aim assist soon and that'll just make ar users clairvoyant!

I never said it takes skil to use, it takes skil to truly master, to take it out of its comfort zone,

I think hes saying that the penalty to strafing with a hitscan weapon in which you have to hit your opponent, is far greater than the penalty of an AOE projectile based weapon.

Not that he cant outstrafe it, its just so much more difficult to stay on target with an AR than a MD while strafing.

THAT is exactly how its meant to work, hitscan weapons are considerably more powerful to compansate!! Only 33% accuracy with an ar is required, which equates to 4 shots on target a second!! This is the ar trade off, power for accuracy, over spray n pray!! The md has more drawbacks and 117 splash on proto md isnt exactly collasal, anything 350 sheilds takes 4-5 shots.

Also consider the ar can get through 2 mgs in the an md can get throu th one and reload!!

The Mass Driver is not working correctly, it has static damage, if one person is at the edge of the blast, another is at the centre, they will both recieve the same amount of damage, every hitscan weapon has a range in which they become useless or do less damage, I want the same to apply to MDs, but through their splash.

I just expect the damage at the edge of the radius to drop drastically.

It only makes sense, MD users certainly cant argue against it, its what happens in every other FPS / TPS where explosives are involved.

Unless they do the same for all aow wepons no. Personally I think its working as intended.

I just expect the damage at the edge of the radius to drop drastically.

It only makes sense, MD users certainly cant argue against it, its what happens in every other FPS / TPS where explosives are involved.

This is what happens with grenades and Fluxes, and possibly the Plasma Cannon.

Why it doesn't apply to the MD is beyond me.

This is what happens with grenades and Fluxes, and possibly the Plasma Cannon.

Why it doesn't apply to the MD is beyond me.

I think you may ge misinterpreting me, this is what it should be, the problem is you can put rounds between you and not take damage. With the change you are now forced to engage further apart, and if you can't get 7m away you need to launch slugs behind your opponent.

Yes spam is a potential problem, but nerfing damage or ROF will just kill the weapon completely!! People who have at least half decent aim with an AR can outgun the MD in its niche environment.

Nooo, nerfing damage might, the rof wont unless they over do it. Currently it assaults people in assault suits with ar's on open ground and it needs to be fixed.

As far as im aware no aoe wepon has an acctual dammage arc in this game . Fluxes do the same dammage at the epicenter of their expolosion as they do right at the edge as do all aoe wepons in this game.

The ROF is already one a second, how much more would increase it by? Would you be wiling to give back damage so as to maintain there dps?

An ar users are a bit thick sometimes, they never move furthef than a meter! !

3 steps to the right jump to the left everytime, watch they all do it!!

Yes I know, I would prefer to see that Idea nipped in the bud due to the fact it takes a lot of risk out, and MD users will equip the gallente shotgun pistol when released specically to fudge over anyone who dares rush an area denial weapon!!

No you are deluding yourself, if someone with a mass driver were to stand still he wouldn't stand a chance the militia ar has 3 times the dps, if you are engaging him at less than 20m this is md ideal situation, even more so if in a corridor.

Try moving backwards while shooting you may notice some people will miss you!! If the md user isnt allowed to dodge than why do ar users do it.

stop deluding yourself that your a decent fps player, because your story you can't aim, youll be getting aim assist soon and that'll just make ar users clairvoyant!

I never said it takes skil to use, it takes skil to truly master, to take it out of its comfort zone,

lol, thats funny bro have to admit, and yes I would. Increase damage nerf rof. I would have to agree with that.

Off course we all move all the time, the main difference is that all the direct weapons get less accurate the more you move, the MD doesn't.

Go check the leaderboards, I'm at 65-75th place, go check that stat vs your own and then come here and tell me if I'm decent enough.

And explain to me this: Why is it that so many of the top players in Dust can come form spending 3-4 M skillpoints on the AR to merely unlocking the MD and still dominate with it? I have yet to meet a single SKILLED player, at least that I've played with, that defends it in its current state.

When we get a fix to aiming and hit detection we'll see how things change.

This seems like the best way to balance it. The round has to fly a few meters before it explodes. The breach should stay as it is and fire in cqc.

I can't be mad if someone switches to a sidearm and kills me, if I can't kill you with my shotgun before you SMG/pistol/whatever comes out I deserve to die.

My thought is this and may I quote the author...

( So a user and enemy 5m from blast will take damage while at 6.5 only the user will take damage, higher risk, discourages spam, rewards skill, what are people's thoughts?? )

That there is is exactly what I think....the problem is spamming...and hence the reason imo it needs a rof nerf or splash damge reduction. Else ppl will just make sure there 5-6m or w/e away, and then yup you guessed it, spamville. ( reminds me of the flaylock )

BTW Devs have shown interest in putting in a minimum arming distance on Mass Drivers so they're used less in CQC.

ROF?

The damn thing shoots at 60 RPM...1 shot a second.

So after seeing threads with both sides giving pros and cons, running mass drivers since Uprising 1.0 (When I Srarted), and being killed just as often I have had found a few things.

When aim assist is returned MD will die as the "FOTM" so many believe it to be, its lack of damage in comparison to auto weaponry will be its downfall.

Sometimes the MD is a LITTLE to easy in cqc, there have been multiple times where I believe I should have been hit by my own splash but wasn't ahd is that is causing the problem where people believe the MD is OP.

So a simple fix is to increase user only splash radius, to maybe 6-7 m on standard, and 8-9m on assault.

So a user and enemy 5m from blast will take damage while at 6.5 only the user will take damage, higher risk, discourages spam, rewards skill, what are people's thoughts??

Not really used less as much as used smarter. Assaults will be worthless in CQC, and breach will dominate. All about impact damage.