*logical

BTW Devs have shown interest in putting in a minimum arming distance on Mass Drivers so they're used less in CQC.

Sorry but id dosent feel right having a wepon you are weilding dammage you and not the enimy that was a bad idea. The only reason they seem op is because of how badly they got nerfed.

ifim not mistaken a direct hit will not splash. many of us can actually direct hit consistantly in close to mid range as relying on splash to do the work is for chumps. ;)

again I could be totally wrong.

So after seeing threads with both sides giving pros and cons, running mass drivers since Uprising 1.0 (When I Srarted), and being killed just as often I have had found a few things.

When aim assist is returned MD will die as the "FOTM" so many believe it to be, its lack of damage in comparison to auto weaponry will be its downfall.

Sometimes the MD is a LITTLE to easy in cqc, there have been multiple times where I believe I should have been hit by my own splash but wasn't ahd is that is causing the problem where people believe the MD is OP.

So a simple fix is to increase user only splash radius, to maybe 6-7 m on standard, and 8-9m on assault.

So a user and enemy 5m from blast will take damage while at 6.5 only the user will take damage, higher risk, discourages spam, rewards skill, what are people's thoughts??

ifim not mistaken a direct hit will not splash. many of us can actually direct hit consistantly in close to mid range as relying on splash to do the work is for chumps. ;)

again I could be totally wrong.

Fair enough, its just something I notice a lot of other games do to stop it, you can easily explain it with lore, and people who put time and effort into it can still avoid there own damage. You would barely notice unless pointed out to you need and makes more combat oriented sense than an arming distance that effectively resort to melee if you use a logi suit!! although im interested in how nerfing a weapon makes it seem OP please explain more!! (Genuine not being sarcastic)

Fix the damn fall off damage.

Direct hits are the most likely way to suicide with a mass driver.

Fix the damn fall off damage.

I hear this arguement of "doesn't hurt the user" all the time. My only question is do you run a shield heavy suit with the MD? I run it with a Gal Logi. When explosives got fixed, I had to start putting points into shield extenders, and swap a dmg for for extender because I found myself committing suicide more often. And this isn't lack of skill. I've been using the MD since early chromosome, so I'm pretty experienced with it.

If I had my way, the splash would be reduced back to 1.0 standards (-1m) for both enemy and user (on all variants.)

I'm guessing that with 1.4, players will realize it now takes 4-5 shots to take down players now instead of the usual 2-3.

This is because more armor/faster heavies is good.

As a mass driver user myself I think that players just don't know how to face a mass driver. It's most effective range is in between close and medium range. At close range it hurts the user and the user is afraid to fire at his feet. At long range, it's not very accurate unless the enemy is standing in a crowd or not moving.

I can kill mass driver users easily, except when they get on a roof. But when they do that I counter them with my scrambler so...whatever.

Every weapon has a weakness, not everyone knows the best counters. Heck, I get pummeled into he ground most often by ARs because of the massive range they have over me.

Just wait for 1.4

massdriver works as intended, leave it alone

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Its effectively a grenade so there is no fall off .

Grenades need fall off damage also, by fall off damage I mean lower the damage the further you get from the radius.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M67_grenade

The M67 can be thrown 30 to 35 meters by the average male soldier. It has a 3 second fuse that ignites explosives packed inside a round body. Steel fragments (not to be confused with shrapnel) are provided by the grenade body and produce an injury radius of 15 meters (~45 ft), with a fatality radius of 5 meters (~15 ft), though some fragments can disperse as far out as 250 meters (~820 ft).

As you can see this grenade has a 15 meter radius, at 0-5 meters the grenade is fatal or in video game terms close to full damage, at 6-15 meters the grenade is not lethal but still deals damage and at 16+ meters the grenade is ineffective. Obviously in Dust 514 explosives have a smaller radius but regardless they should have a damage fall off curve as they move away from the radius

Grenades in dust do have fall of damage, but to give to md would require a passive buff to radius and starting damage to make it fair, but people who can use an md effectively will become op overnight. Alot of people dont realiseva proper damage profile, would be like biting your nose to spite your face!!

I'm guessing that with 1.4, players will realize it now takes 4-5 shots to take down players now instead of the usual 2-3.

This is because more armor/faster heavies is good.

As a mass driver user myself I think that players just don't know how to face a mass driver. It's most effective range is in between close and medium range. At close range it hurts the user and the user is afraid to fire at his feet. At long range, it's not very accurate unless the enemy is standing in a crowd or not moving.

I can kill mass driver users easily, except when they get on a roof. But when they do that I counter them with my scrambler so...whatever.

Every weapon has a weakness, not everyone knows the best counters. Heck, I get pummeled into he ground most often by ARs because of the massive range they have over me.

Just wait for 1.4

After being proficient in many weapons I would agree that most the ppl whining have only tried one weapon or so and do not know how to counter it properly. AR users specifically. Tell me this if the MD is so over powered then how in a PC battle with Teamplayers did it take me 15 shots from a boundless to down one TP proto guy. Im at proficieny 3 with an enhanced damage mod. He was hacking a supply depot so most all shots hit him within a meter or two. Most ppl run auto ARs and only autos so most time they are within its range and they die the most. Hence lots of ppl complaining because it is AR 514 still. If the MD was the biggest noob weapon and the most overpowered then why do all noobs and 90 percent of ppl run ARs. I say nerf the auto AR and make its recoil get worse the longer they fire it at full auto.

My thought is this and may I quote the author...

( So a user and enemy 5m from blast will take damage while at 6.5 only the user will take damage, higher risk, discourages spam, rewards skill, what are people's thoughts?? )

That there is is exactly what I think....the problem is spamming...and hence the reason imo it needs a rof nerf or splash damge reduction. Else ppl will just make sure there 5-6m or w/e away, and then yup you guessed it, spamville. ( reminds me of the flaylock )