I understand that this is probably the 596th post about the Killer Taxi problem but I just gotta put my 2 cents in. Why not just make it impossible to kill players by running them down. Just like when the ability to run down team mates was changed. Being pushed along is inconvenience enough.

I understand that this is probably the 596th post about the Killer Taxi problem but I just gotta put my 2 cents in. Why not just make it impossible to kill players by running them down. Just like when the ability to run down team mates was changed. Being pushed along is inconvenience enough.

because that would make sense. shame on you.

How does that make sense?
>Gets hit by car at top speed
>Takes no damage

I understand that this is probably the 596th post about the Killer Taxi problem but I just gotta put my 2 cents in. Why not just make it impossible to kill players by running them down. Just like when the ability to run down team mates was changed. Being pushed along is inconvenience enough.

I understand that this is probably the 596th post about the Killer Taxi problem but I just gotta put my 2 cents in. Why not just make it impossible to kill players by running them down. Just like when the ability to run down team mates was changed. Being pushed along is inconvenience enough.

I think they should take massive feedback damage because if two hunks of metal collide at high speed they both receive feedback it's physics 101 really

I still think vehicles should take damage from hitting people.
The bigger the target the more damage.
that's just physics

I understand that this is probably the 596th post about the Killer Taxi problem but I just gotta put my 2 cents in. Why not just make it impossible to kill players by running them down. Just like when the ability to run down team mates was changed. Being pushed along is inconvenience enough.

I'm guessing the armor cars weigh at least 2 tons.

We don't know what dropsuits weigh; they aren't mechs either, so they're not gonna weigh 40 tons or so. Dropsuit defenses are designed against projectiles. They're not designed to protect the user from 2 tons smashing into them.

Then there's the argument "what about heavies." There's a difference between dropsuit armor and vehicle armor. Dropsuit armor still allows the user the mobility of all joints. Vehicle armor just adds to the hull, so it doesn't need to be very thin and flexible.

Say, 2 tons vs 300lbs. What do you think is going to win?

You also have to remember that you can survive like a 50 foot fall in a dropsuit so it can't be that week and complex plates add a 10% movement penalty so they can't be that light either.

We're not talking about a Ford F-150 here. We're talking about 2.3" of armor here. There's.... easy things to compare that to. Dropsuit armor could be less than 1" thick. We're also not talking about the LAV hitting a brick wall.

Easy fix... car takes as much damage as it deals in collision damage.

Lets see how long people murder taxi now

lolno

I'm guessing the armor cars weigh at least 2 tons.

We don't know what dropsuits weigh; they aren't mechs either, so they're not gonna weigh 40 tons or so. Dropsuit defenses are designed against projectiles. They're not designed to protect the user from 2 tons smashing into them.

Then there's the argument "what about heavies." There's a difference between dropsuit armor and vehicle armor. Dropsuit armor still allows the user the mobility of all joints. Vehicle armor just adds to the hull, so it doesn't need to be very thin and flexible.

Say, 2 tons vs 300lbs. What do you think is going to win?

Fix in 1.4 is coming that makes it so LAVs can only kill you at top speed.

top speed you say. so all I need to do is ad a fuel injector and it's back to the splatter fest. GL

Fix in 1.4 is coming that makes it so LAVs can only kill you at top speed.

Fix in 1.4 is coming that makes it so LAVs can only kill you at top speed.

I understand that this is probably the 596th post about the Killer Taxi problem but I just gotta put my 2 cents in. Why not just make it impossible to kill players by running them down. Just like when the ability to run down team mates was changed. Being pushed along is inconvenience enough.

I understand that this is probably the 596th post about the Killer Taxi problem but I just gotta put my 2 cents in. Why not just make it impossible to kill players by running them down. Just like when the ability to run down team mates was changed. Being pushed along is inconvenience enough.

>Car hits 400-pound deer at 40mph (65kph)
>Deer gets instantly killed
>Car takes no damage

How does that make sense? And yet that's essentially what we have.

If the vehicle takes no damage, the person who gets hit shouldn't take any damage either. If the person who gets hit is instantly killed, the vehicle should take substantial damage. Otherwise, don't talk about the logicality of anyone's argument.

Imagine you built a gun that fired 300 pound ammunition rounds with a muzzle velocity of 120km/h and you fired it at a stationary LAV. That is how much damage an LAV should take when it runs over a drop suit.

But you're not putting a 1" plate on a dropsuit, because you won't be able to move.

I understand that this is probably the 596th post about the Killer Taxi problem but I just gotta put my 2 cents in. Why not just make it impossible to kill players by running them down. Just like when the ability to run down team mates was changed. Being pushed along is inconvenience enough.

for all the crutches infantry get in this game, the least you could do is look both ways before crossing the street..

You've never read the description on the Heavy suits, have you?

The official lore states that WITHOUT ADDING PLATES, the minimum thickness of armour covering a Heavy suit is 25mm. That's almost an inch of covering on the WEAKEST parts of the suit.

Pretty sure adding Plates means more than inch-thick armour.

And that's just the armour, not accounting for the extra thickness (and thus weight) required for the sensors, motors and other systems that make the suit actually function as powered armour instead of just slabs of metal attached around a person and preventing them from moving.

So yes, a Heavy suit would probably weigh more than half a ton, and it's reasonable to expect LAVs to crash pretty painfully when they hit one.

All we want is to be more than just a bump in the road...

You've never read the description on the Heavy suits, have you?

The official lore states that WITHOUT ADDING PLATES, the minimum thickness of armour covering a Heavy suit is 25mm. That's almost an inch of covering on the WEAKEST parts of the suit.

Pretty sure adding Plates means more than inch-thick armour.

And that's just the armour, not accounting for the extra thickness (and thus weight) required for the sensors, motors and other systems that make the suit actually function as powered armour instead of just slabs of metal attached around a person and preventing them from moving.

So yes, a Heavy suit would probably weigh more than half a ton, and it's reasonable to expect LAVs to crash pretty painfully when they hit one.

Keep in mind the M113 APC has the armour thinkness of 12 - 38mm armour and could easily plow through a moose at top speed

Minimum armour thickness is less than half what a Heavy suit has. We don't know the maximum, but looking at the design, there are overlapping sections, so probably close to - if not more than - the 60mm plate you can attach on your LAV.

Regardless of that factor though, the HEAVY SUIT should be comfortably able to plow through a moose. The LAV should NOT be comfortably able to plow through a Heavy suit without any damage.

How is the minimum thickness less then half of the heavy suit? My Gallenette LAV has over 1400 Armour without plates, around 2600 with plates, im pretty sure my LAV could mangle a heavy suit. Im not even counting the over 1000 HP from shields.

At what point in my post are you seeing me state that the guy in the Heavy suit should survive being splattered through the inside of his suit?

I said the LAV needs to be taking significant damage from the impact. I never said the Heavy suit shouldn't be killed from a hard enough hit.

Minimum armour thickness is less than half what a Heavy suit has. We don't know the maximum, but looking at the design, there are overlapping sections, so probably close to - if not more than - the 60mm plate you can attach on your LAV.

Regardless of that factor though, the HEAVY SUIT should be comfortably able to plow through a moose. The LAV should NOT be comfortably able to plow through a Heavy suit without any damage.

Minimum armour thickness on a Heavy suit, as per the lore, is 25mm.
Minimum armour thickness on the M113 APC, as per the quote I was replying directly to at the time, is 12mm.

12 x 2 = 24
24 < 25

Math is your friend. So is basic reading comprehension.

How is the minimum thickness less then half of the heavy suit? My Gallenette LAV has over 1400 Armour without plates, around 2600 with plates, im pretty sure my LAV could mangle a heavy suit. Im not even counting the over 1000 HP from shields.

Im not driving a M113 APC though, im driving a limbus. Going by HP numbers if a fully decked out heavy is rocking around 900 armour and my car is at base without armour mods around 1400 I should be able to plow through a heavy.

1400 > 900

>Car hits 400-pound deer at 40mph (65kph)
>Deer gets instantly killed
>Car takes no damage

How does that make sense? And yet that's essentially what we have.

If the vehicle takes no damage, the person who gets hit shouldn't take any damage either. If the person who gets hit is instantly killed, the vehicle should take substantial damage. Otherwise, don't talk about the logicality of anyone's argument.

on another note, If I can jump ontop of a LAV I should be able to knife the driver out of it. You can shoot them out but you cant knife them. Its bogus.

lol what are you smoking? cars are made of fiberglass...yea there will be some damage. It's a 400 pound dear...something is going to leave a mark.

your bogus. i have done it.

knife ----> head

also, infantry needs to get over itself. its called a roadkill. they are common in games with vehicles. dont like it? then get one yourself.

IT Is common in games with vehicles, true,games where vehicles are not cusomizable, nor soldiers have skills to use them with better preformance,nor vehicles take 4+ hits of Anti infantry weaponry.

You are right. It is common in other games. This isnt other games.

Im not driving a M113 APC though, im driving a limbus. Going by HP numbers if a fully decked out heavy is rocking around 900 armour and my car is at base without armour mods around 1400 I should be able to plow through a heavy.

1400 > 900

Pickup is made of fiberglass over a metal chassis, my LAV is an armoured vehicle that is better armoured then current day APCs that can run through walls.

Just a perspective, sherman tanks have 76mm of armour, my LAV would have over that with a single plate. Are you saying that a heavy wouldnt get run over by a sherman tank going even 60 km/h and the sherman wouldnt come out fine? Shermans litterally went through houses, abit slowly, but houses.

Pickup is made of fiberglass over a metal chassis, my LAV is an armoured vehicle that is better armoured then current day APCs that can run through walls.

Just a perspective, sherman tanks have 76mm of armour, my LAV would have over that with a single plate. Are you saying that a heavy wouldnt get run over by a sherman tank going even 60 km/h and the sherman wouldnt come out fine? Shermans litterally went through houses, abit slowly, but houses.

And a moose is just flesh and bone, that Heavy suit is designed to withstand impacts that would wreck a modern tank.


Working from DUST lore, a Heavy would probably get tangled in the wreckage of a Sherman tank that tried running it over. Much like a pickup or a moose, a house isn't a military tool, and isn't designed for use in combat, so running through it in a tank is less of a big deal than you're making it sound. An old muscle car can drive through some houses without taking significant damage. Does that means it's a suitable weapon on a modern battlefield? Nope. Is it comfortable running down unarmoured people? As long as they don't shoot it before it hits them, yeah. But if it rammed a Heavy, they probably wouldn't even be slowed down by the wreck like they would if a well-made but old tank hit them.

Your LAV is built as a fast open-topped military vehicle. It's comparable to a Jeep in relation to its overall capabilities. The Heavy suit is looking at a comparable level of durability. It's not quite the same, but it's on a close enough level that it's going to shake things around and probably break a few parts when you run the Heavy over.

I have another idea! Let's remove ALL damage from the game and have a big pillow fight!

And a moose is just flesh and bone, that Heavy suit is designed to withstand impacts that would wreck a modern tank.


Working from DUST lore, a Heavy would probably get tangled in the wreckage of a Sherman tank that tried running it over. Much like a pickup or a moose, a house isn't a military tool, and isn't designed for use in combat, so running through it in a tank is less of a big deal than you're making it sound. An old muscle car can drive through some houses without taking significant damage. Does that means it's a suitable weapon on a modern battlefield? Nope. Is it comfortable running down unarmoured people? As long as they don't shoot it before it hits them, yeah. But if it rammed a Heavy, they probably wouldn't even be slowed down by the wreck like they would if a well-made but old tank hit them.

Your LAV is built as a fast open-topped military vehicle. It's comparable to a Jeep in relation to its overall capabilities. The Heavy suit is looking at a comparable level of durability. It's not quite the same, but it's on a close enough level that it's going to shake things around and probably break a few parts when you run the Heavy over.

while i want to agree with you, i see you going "only 700 lbs" and i facepalm

you realize the heavy suit CANT jump and that the entire suit is a walking tank that would kill the person inside due to the sheer weight if it wasnt for the powered exoskeleton that allows it to carry the heavy weps?

well, might not outright kill the merc, but it is clearly beyond the realm of human strength

but it can jump, about a foot off the ground.

I'd like you to research kenitics and tell me what happens to a 700lbs object being hit by 10 - 15 tons moving at 60km/h - 100 km/h. Guess what happens, the 700lbs object gets crushed, usually taking the path of least resistance either overtop or underneither the LAV.

you idiots just need to spec into av equipment proximity minds help a lot as do swarmers and forge guns and av grenades i get my ass ran over but i also use lavs all the time grow a pair and learn how to run

If the Heavy is only 700lbs (it's probably closer to that amount in kg), then the LAV would, by your own arguments and calculations, only be around 1000lbs.

You know what happens when objects with a mass that similar, but with one significantly more dense, collide at high speed?

The larger object gets a massive dent in it (a "dent" would translate as "damage" in a videogame, in case you're wondering) and the smaller object remains intact, but gets sent flying (probably killing all occupants if there's someone crazy enough to be inside the thing).

Looking at that baseball analogy... ever tried using a hollow metal bat and a hollow metal ball? Because I have (high school science project). The ball (lighter object) went flying, but the bat (heavier impact) bent at the point of impact and had a large dent.

LAV takes damage, Heavy dies. Not sure why you guys are missing this logic.

Great, so in this game where i CAN spec my vehicle into being able to take more hits and be all around more effective that just solidifies my ability to go for roadkills if i so choose. not saying thats my thing, id rather get out n gun someone down, but thanks for proving my points.

true games......lol

heavy isnt a hllow thing, theres a person inside, much like a baseball has a softer cork core

doesn't the heavy discription say it can toe to toe with a vehicle

have you been playing with your eyes closed?

If the Heavy is only 700lbs (it's probably closer to that amount in kg), then the LAV would, by your own arguments and calculations, only be around 1000lbs.

You know what happens when objects with a mass that similar, but with one significantly more dense, collide at high speed?

The larger object gets a massive dent in it (a "dent" would translate as "damage" in a videogame, in case you're wondering) and the smaller object remains intact, but gets sent flying (probably killing all occupants if there's someone crazy enough to be inside the thing).

Looking at that baseball analogy... ever tried using a hollow metal bat and a hollow metal ball? Because I have (high school science project). The ball (lighter object) went flying, but the bat (heavier impact) bent at the point of impact and had a large dent.

LAV takes damage (EDIT: and slows down), Heavy dies. Not sure why you guys are missing this logic.

The point is, the heavy is no where NEAR the weight of the LAV

no i've been trying not to look at your ugly face

Source?

you shouldnt need one, its common sense. whats heavier, a fat man, or a car carrying 3 fat men?

I'm not saying hitting a guy should destroy the vehicle, just saying it should do damage.
Granted they are fancy futuristic vehicles, but they are also fancy futuristic suits with armor platting and shields.


Instead of thinking of it as a car running into a person think of someone having a Heavy gun, that shoots heavies at a vehicle at tremendous speed.
That ***** gonna do damage.