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Mossellia Delt wrote:

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

Mossellia Delt wrote:

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

Mossellia Delt wrote:

Keep in mind the M113 APC has the armour thinkness of 12 - 38mm armour and could easily plow through a moose at top speed

Minimum armour thickness is less than half what a Heavy suit has. We don't know the maximum, but looking at the design, there are overlapping sections, so probably close to - if not more than - the 60mm plate you can attach on your LAV.

Regardless of that factor though, the HEAVY SUIT should be comfortably able to plow through a moose. The LAV should NOT be comfortably able to plow through a Heavy suit without any damage.

How is the minimum thickness less then half of the heavy suit? My Gallenette LAV has over 1400 Armour without plates, around 2600 with plates, im pretty sure my LAV could mangle a heavy suit. Im not even counting the over 1000 HP from shields.

Minimum armour thickness on a Heavy suit, as per the lore, is 25mm.
Minimum armour thickness on the M113 APC, as per the quote I was replying directly to at the time, is 12mm.

12 x 2 = 24
24 < 25

Math is your friend. So is basic reading comprehension.

Im not driving a M113 APC though, im driving a limbus. Going by HP numbers if a fully decked out heavy is rocking around 900 armour and my car is at base without armour mods around 1400 I should be able to plow through a heavy.

1400 > 900


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Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3485	Posted - 2013.09.02 21:15:00 - [1] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: But you're not putting a 1" plate on a dropsuit, because you won't be able to move. You've never read the description on the Heavy suits, have you? The official lore states that WITHOUT ADDING PLATES, the minimum thickness of armour covering a Heavy suit is 25mm. That's almost an inch of covering on the WEAKEST parts of the suit. Pretty sure adding Plates means more than inch-thick armour. And that's just the armour, not accounting for the extra thickness (and thus weight) required for the sensors, motors and other systems that make the suit actually function as powered armour instead of just slabs of metal attached around a person and preventing them from moving. So yes, a Heavy suit would probably weigh more than half a ton, and it's reasonable to expect LAVs to crash pretty painfully when they hit one.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3489	Posted - 2013.09.02 21:54:00 - [2] - Quote At what point in my post are you seeing me state that the guy in the Heavy suit should survive being splattered through the inside of his suit? I said the LAV needs to be taking significant damage from the impact. I never said the Heavy suit shouldn't be killed from a hard enough hit.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3489	Posted - 2013.09.02 21:57:00 - [3] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Keep in mind the M113 APC has the armour thinkness of 12 - 38mm armour and could easily plow through a moose at top speed Minimum armour thickness is less than half what a Heavy suit has. We don't know the maximum, but looking at the design, there are overlapping sections, so probably close to - if not more than - the 60mm plate you can attach on your LAV. Regardless of that factor though, the HEAVY SUIT should be comfortably able to plow through a moose. The LAV should NOT be comfortably able to plow through a Heavy suit without any damage.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3491	Posted - 2013.09.02 22:09:00 - [4] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Keep in mind the M113 APC has the armour thinkness of 12 - 38mm armour and could easily plow through a moose at top speed Minimum armour thickness is less than half what a Heavy suit has. We don't know the maximum, but looking at the design, there are overlapping sections, so probably close to - if not more than - the 60mm plate you can attach on your LAV. Regardless of that factor though, the HEAVY SUIT should be comfortably able to plow through a moose. The LAV should NOT be comfortably able to plow through a Heavy suit without any damage. How is the minimum thickness less then half of the heavy suit? My Gallenette LAV has over 1400 Armour without plates, around 2600 with plates, im pretty sure my LAV could mangle a heavy suit. Im not even counting the over 1000 HP from shields. Minimum armour thickness on a Heavy suit, as per the lore, is 25mm. Minimum armour thickness on the M113 APC, as per the quote I was replying directly to at the time, is 12mm. 12 x 2 = 24 24 < 25 Math is your friend. So is basic reading comprehension.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3491	Posted - 2013.09.02 22:45:00 - [5] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Keep in mind the M113 APC has the armour thinkness of 12 - 38mm armour and could easily plow through a moose at top speed Minimum armour thickness is less than half what a Heavy suit has. We don't know the maximum, but looking at the design, there are overlapping sections, so probably close to - if not more than - the 60mm plate you can attach on your LAV. Regardless of that factor though, the HEAVY SUIT should be comfortably able to plow through a moose. The LAV should NOT be comfortably able to plow through a Heavy suit without any damage. How is the minimum thickness less then half of the heavy suit? My Gallenette LAV has over 1400 Armour without plates, around 2600 with plates, im pretty sure my LAV could mangle a heavy suit. Im not even counting the over 1000 HP from shields. Minimum armour thickness on a Heavy suit, as per the lore, is 25mm. Minimum armour thickness on the M113 APC, as per the quote I was replying directly to at the time, is 12mm. 12 x 2 = 24 24 < 25 Math is your friend. So is basic reading comprehension. Im not driving a M113 APC though, im driving a limbus. Going by HP numbers if a fully decked out heavy is rocking around 900 armour and my car is at base without armour mods around 1400 I should be able to plow through a heavy. 1400 > 900 According to WIkipedia, a Moose can get up to around 700kg. A pickup truck that gets totalled by running into a moose (and yes, the moose will be severely injured, if not outright killed) is more than a tonne (approx. 1100kg). 1100/700 = 1.57 1400/900 = 1.55 The pickup has a bigger advantage over the moose than your LAV has over a Heavy suit. No, I don't think you should spontaneously explode, or that the Heavy should survive when you hit him full-speed. But I don't think you should come away totally unharmed by the impact just because you have a bigger number where it says "HP" on your score chart.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3491	Posted - 2013.09.02 23:05:00 - [6] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Pickup is made of fiberglass over a metal chassis, my LAV is an armoured vehicle that is better armoured then current day APCs that can run through walls. And a moose is just flesh and bone, that Heavy suit is designed to withstand impacts that would wreck a modern tank. Quote: Just a perspective, sherman tanks have 76mm of armour, my LAV would have over that with a single plate. Are you saying that a heavy wouldnt get run over by a sherman tank going even 60 km/h and the sherman wouldnt come out fine? Shermans litterally went through houses, abit slowly, but houses. Working from DUST lore, a Heavy would probably get tangled in the wreckage of a Sherman tank that tried running it over. Much like a pickup or a moose, a house isn't a military tool, and isn't designed for use in combat, so running through it in a tank is less of a big deal than you're making it sound. An old muscle car can drive through some houses without taking significant damage. Does that means it's a suitable weapon on a modern battlefield? Nope. Is it comfortable running down unarmoured people? As long as they don't shoot it before it hits them, yeah. But if it rammed a Heavy, they probably wouldn't even be slowed down by the wreck like they would if a well-made but old tank hit them. Your LAV is built as a fast open-topped military vehicle. It's comparable to a Jeep in relation to its overall capabilities. The Heavy suit is looking at a comparable level of durability. It's not quite the same, but it's on a close enough level that it's going to shake things around and probably break a few parts when you run the Heavy over.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3491	Posted - 2013.09.02 23:12:00 - [7] - Quote TunRa wrote: I have another idea! Let's remove ALL damage from the game and have a big pillow fight! Pretty sure that's just another wording for what the OP said. Also, this has been extremely entertaining, but it's after 11 and I need food and sleep, so I'll probably not be paying much attention for the next 8 hours or so.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3491	Posted - 2013.09.02 23:26:00 - [8] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: I'd like you to research kenitics and tell me what happens to a 700lbs object being hit by 10 - 15 tons moving at 60km/h - 100 km/h. Guess what happens, the 700lbs object gets crushed, usually taking the path of least resistance either overtop or underneither the LAV. If the Heavy is only 700lbs (it's probably closer to that amount in kg), then the LAV would, by your own arguments and calculations, only be around 1000lbs. You know what happens when objects with a mass that similar, but with one significantly more dense, collide at high speed? The larger object gets a massive dent in it (a "dent" would translate as "damage" in a videogame, in case you're wondering) and the smaller object remains intact, but gets sent flying (probably killing all occupants if there's someone crazy enough to be inside the thing). Looking at that baseball analogy... ever tried using a hollow metal bat and a hollow metal ball? Because I have (high school science project). The ball (lighter object) went flying, but the bat (heavier impact) bent at the point of impact and had a large dent. LAV takes damage, Heavy dies. Not sure why you guys are missing this logic.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3495	Posted - 2013.09.02 23:38:00 - [9] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: heavy isnt a hllow thing, theres a person inside, much like a baseball has a softer cork core So you're saying it should do MORE damage to the LAV, then? Fine by me.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3495	Posted - 2013.09.02 23:46:00 - [10] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: The point is, the heavy is no where NEAR the weight of the LAV Source?

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3496	Posted - 2013.09.03 00:03:00 - [11] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: The point is, the heavy is no where NEAR the weight of the LAV Source? you shouldnt need one, its common sense. whats heavier, a fat man, or a car carrying 3 fat men? He says "nowhere near" the weight. That means the LAV (not including the potential maximum of 3 Heavies, because it can just as easily be a lone Scout in there) has to have a significant weight advantage, not just a minor one. Asking for a source is legitimate. I'm off to bed now though. Hopefully I have a reply before I get back.