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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.09.02 20:59:00 -
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Goric Rumis wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: How does that make sense? >Gets hit by car at top speed >Takes no damage
>Car hits 400-pound deer at 40mph (65kph) >Deer gets instantly killed >Car takes no damage How does that make sense? And yet that's essentially what we have. If the vehicle takes no damage, the person who gets hit shouldn't take any damage either. If the person who gets hit is instantly killed, the vehicle should take substantial damage. Otherwise, don't talk about the logicality of anyone's argument. How about car hits moose, moose breaks legs, car gets totalled? Hitting a moose is like hitting a wall apparently |
low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
388
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Posted - 2013.09.02 21:03:00 -
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because that would be silly. i think the update tomorrow will make all those 'murder taxi' drivers brand new mediocre players. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
294
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Posted - 2013.09.02 21:04:00 -
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I got a solution!!! Run into them with a tank!!! That's instant OHK for any vehicle (except tank ramming another tank)
How would I do this you say? Simple really, just sit around a corner on a building, get someone to bait the taxi and lead them to the corner were you are and then Drive out in your tank and ram that murder taxi-ing fool!!! |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
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Posted - 2013.09.02 21:08:00 -
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Bonchu Blunt Rifle wrote:Imagine you built a gun that fired 300 pound ammunition rounds with a muzzle velocity of 120km/h and you fired it at a stationary LAV. That is how much damage an LAV should take when it runs over a drop suit.
I suggest we convert this thread into a "best analogy" contest.
Imagine you fired a 300 pound metal exoskeleton containing a 250 pound bag of structurally reinforced hamburger... |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.09.02 21:15:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:But you're not putting a 1" plate on a dropsuit, because you won't be able to move. You've never read the description on the Heavy suits, have you?
The official lore states that WITHOUT ADDING PLATES, the minimum thickness of armour covering a Heavy suit is 25mm. That's almost an inch of covering on the WEAKEST parts of the suit.
Pretty sure adding Plates means more than inch-thick armour.
And that's just the armour, not accounting for the extra thickness (and thus weight) required for the sensors, motors and other systems that make the suit actually function as powered armour instead of just slabs of metal attached around a person and preventing them from moving.
So yes, a Heavy suit would probably weigh more than half a ton, and it's reasonable to expect LAVs to crash pretty painfully when they hit one. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.09.02 21:29:00 -
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Hawk Steel1 wrote:I understand that this is probably the 596th post about the Killer Taxi problem but I just gotta put my 2 cents in. Why not just make it impossible to kill players by running them down. Just like when the ability to run down team mates was changed. Being pushed along is inconvenience enough.
the "killer taxi" problem is not a problem. Its called getting run over by a car. Next build the ridiculous parts will be fixed, but im still gonna be able to use my LAV if i want, just like i can roadkill you in my tank if i want.
for all the crutches infantry get in this game, the least you could do is look both ways before crossing the street.. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
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Posted - 2013.09.02 21:32:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:for all the crutches infantry get in this game, the least you could do is look both ways before crossing the street..
All we want is to be more than just a bump in the road... |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
99
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Posted - 2013.09.02 21:48:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:But you're not putting a 1" plate on a dropsuit, because you won't be able to move. You've never read the description on the Heavy suits, have you? The official lore states that WITHOUT ADDING PLATES, the minimum thickness of armour covering a Heavy suit is 25mm. That's almost an inch of covering on the WEAKEST parts of the suit. Pretty sure adding Plates means more than inch-thick armour. And that's just the armour, not accounting for the extra thickness (and thus weight) required for the sensors, motors and other systems that make the suit actually function as powered armour instead of just slabs of metal attached around a person and preventing them from moving. So yes, a Heavy suit would probably weigh more than half a ton, and it's reasonable to expect LAVs to crash pretty painfully when they hit one.
And a gallente LAV would have over 3 inchs of armour if a single 60mm plate was added. I think 3 inchs of ceramics moving at 80+ km/h is enough to kill any suit easily.
Keep in mind the M113 APC has the armour thinkness of 12 - 38mm armour and could easily plow through a moose at top speed |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.09.02 21:50:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:for all the crutches infantry get in this game, the least you could do is look both ways before crossing the street.. All we want is to be more than just a bump in the road...
then dont sit in the road like a bump. tomorrow you will only get run over by an LAV going at a respectable speed, so any bitching about murder taxis will just be butthurt. I have my jars ready to collect the tears. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.09.02 21:52:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:But you're not putting a 1" plate on a dropsuit, because you won't be able to move. You've never read the description on the Heavy suits, have you? The official lore states that WITHOUT ADDING PLATES, the minimum thickness of armour covering a Heavy suit is 25mm. That's almost an inch of covering on the WEAKEST parts of the suit. Pretty sure adding Plates means more than inch-thick armour. And that's just the armour, not accounting for the extra thickness (and thus weight) required for the sensors, motors and other systems that make the suit actually function as powered armour instead of just slabs of metal attached around a person and preventing them from moving. So yes, a Heavy suit would probably weigh more than half a ton, and it's reasonable to expect LAVs to crash pretty painfully when they hit one.
all your realism arguments are very weak. if you have an indestructable box with a person inside, then crash into it with something at a fast speed, the box might be okay but the person inside will be a paste. heavy suit might not get destroyed but you can bet the force of the impact will kill the merc straight up. it IS a clone in that suit after all. |
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Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2013.09.02 21:54:00 -
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At what point in my post are you seeing me state that the guy in the Heavy suit should survive being splattered through the inside of his suit?
I said the LAV needs to be taking significant damage from the impact. I never said the Heavy suit shouldn't be killed from a hard enough hit. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.09.02 21:57:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Keep in mind the M113 APC has the armour thinkness of 12 - 38mm armour and could easily plow through a moose at top speed Minimum armour thickness is less than half what a Heavy suit has. We don't know the maximum, but looking at the design, there are overlapping sections, so probably close to - if not more than - the 60mm plate you can attach on your LAV.
Regardless of that factor though, the HEAVY SUIT should be comfortably able to plow through a moose. The LAV should NOT be comfortably able to plow through a Heavy suit without any damage. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
99
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Posted - 2013.09.02 22:04:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Keep in mind the M113 APC has the armour thinkness of 12 - 38mm armour and could easily plow through a moose at top speed Minimum armour thickness is less than half what a Heavy suit has. We don't know the maximum, but looking at the design, there are overlapping sections, so probably close to - if not more than - the 60mm plate you can attach on your LAV. Regardless of that factor though, the HEAVY SUIT should be comfortably able to plow through a moose. The LAV should NOT be comfortably able to plow through a Heavy suit without any damage.
How is the minimum thickness less then half of the heavy suit? My Gallenette LAV has over 1400 Armour without plates, around 2600 with plates, im pretty sure my LAV could mangle a heavy suit. Im not even counting the over 1000 HP from shields. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.09.02 22:09:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Keep in mind the M113 APC has the armour thinkness of 12 - 38mm armour and could easily plow through a moose at top speed Minimum armour thickness is less than half what a Heavy suit has. We don't know the maximum, but looking at the design, there are overlapping sections, so probably close to - if not more than - the 60mm plate you can attach on your LAV. Regardless of that factor though, the HEAVY SUIT should be comfortably able to plow through a moose. The LAV should NOT be comfortably able to plow through a Heavy suit without any damage. How is the minimum thickness less then half of the heavy suit? My Gallenette LAV has over 1400 Armour without plates, around 2600 with plates, im pretty sure my LAV could mangle a heavy suit. Im not even counting the over 1000 HP from shields. Minimum armour thickness on a Heavy suit, as per the lore, is 25mm. Minimum armour thickness on the M113 APC, as per the quote I was replying directly to at the time, is 12mm.
12 x 2 = 24 24 < 25
Math is your friend. So is basic reading comprehension. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.09.02 22:09:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:At what point in my post are you seeing me state that the guy in the Heavy suit should survive being splattered through the inside of his suit?
I said the LAV needs to be taking significant damage from the impact. I never said the Heavy suit shouldn't be killed from a hard enough hit.
ah, true story dude, my bad |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.09.02 22:11:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Keep in mind the M113 APC has the armour thinkness of 12 - 38mm armour and could easily plow through a moose at top speed Minimum armour thickness is less than half what a Heavy suit has. We don't know the maximum, but looking at the design, there are overlapping sections, so probably close to - if not more than - the 60mm plate you can attach on your LAV. Regardless of that factor though, the HEAVY SUIT should be comfortably able to plow through a moose. The LAV should NOT be comfortably able to plow through a Heavy suit without any damage.
with the heavy's servo-assisted strength that can withstad the recoil of a forge gun, that heavy will straight up punt that moose if he doesnt just pick the thing up and rip it in half with his bare hands. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
99
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Posted - 2013.09.02 22:13:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Keep in mind the M113 APC has the armour thinkness of 12 - 38mm armour and could easily plow through a moose at top speed Minimum armour thickness is less than half what a Heavy suit has. We don't know the maximum, but looking at the design, there are overlapping sections, so probably close to - if not more than - the 60mm plate you can attach on your LAV. Regardless of that factor though, the HEAVY SUIT should be comfortably able to plow through a moose. The LAV should NOT be comfortably able to plow through a Heavy suit without any damage. How is the minimum thickness less then half of the heavy suit? My Gallenette LAV has over 1400 Armour without plates, around 2600 with plates, im pretty sure my LAV could mangle a heavy suit. Im not even counting the over 1000 HP from shields. Minimum armour thickness on a Heavy suit, as per the lore, is 25mm. Minimum armour thickness on the M113 APC, as per the quote I was replying directly to at the time, is 12mm. 12 x 2 = 24 24 < 25 Math is your friend. So is basic reading comprehension.
Im not driving a M113 APC though, im driving a limbus. Going by HP numbers if a fully decked out heavy is rocking around 900 armour and my car is at base without armour mods around 1400 I should be able to plow through a heavy.
1400 > 900
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Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.09.02 22:13:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Keep in mind the M113 APC has the armour thinkness of 12 - 38mm armour and could easily plow through a moose at top speed Minimum armour thickness is less than half what a Heavy suit has. We don't know the maximum, but looking at the design, there are overlapping sections, so probably close to - if not more than - the 60mm plate you can attach on your LAV. Regardless of that factor though, the HEAVY SUIT should be comfortably able to plow through a moose. The LAV should NOT be comfortably able to plow through a Heavy suit without any damage. How is the minimum thickness less then half of the heavy suit? My Gallenette LAV has over 1400 Armour without plates, around 2600 with plates, im pretty sure my LAV could mangle a heavy suit. Im not even counting the over 1000 HP from shields.
just incase you didnt realize, hp values do not equate to physical armor width.... |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1352
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Posted - 2013.09.02 22:14:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Keep in mind the M113 APC has the armour thinkness of 12 - 38mm armour and could easily plow through a moose at top speed Minimum armour thickness is less than half what a Heavy suit has. We don't know the maximum, but looking at the design, there are overlapping sections, so probably close to - if not more than - the 60mm plate you can attach on your LAV. Regardless of that factor though, the HEAVY SUIT should be comfortably able to plow through a moose. The LAV should NOT be comfortably able to plow through a Heavy suit without any damage. How is the minimum thickness less then half of the heavy suit? My Gallenette LAV has over 1400 Armour without plates, around 2600 with plates, im pretty sure my LAV could mangle a heavy suit. Im not even counting the over 1000 HP from shields. Minimum armour thickness on a Heavy suit, as per the lore, is 25mm. Minimum armour thickness on the M113 APC, as per the quote I was replying directly to at the time, is 12mm. 12 x 2 = 24 24 < 25 Math is your friend. So is basic reading comprehension. Im not driving a M113 APC though, im driving a limbus. Going by HP numbers if a fully decked out heavy is rocking around 900 armour and my car is at base without armour mods around 1400 I should be able to plow through a heavy. 1400 > 900
space car. end of argument |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.09.02 22:15:00 -
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also, infantry needs to get over itself. its called a roadkill. they are common in games with vehicles. dont like it? then get one yourself. |
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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
763
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Posted - 2013.09.02 22:19:00 -
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Goric Rumis wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: How does that make sense? >Gets hit by car at top speed >Takes no damage
>Car hits 400-pound deer at 40mph (65kph) >Deer gets instantly killed >Car takes no damage How does that make sense? And yet that's essentially what we have. If the vehicle takes no damage, the person who gets hit shouldn't take any damage either. If the person who gets hit is instantly killed, the vehicle should take substantial damage. Otherwise, don't talk about the logicality of anyone's argument.
lol what are you smoking? cars are made of fiberglass...yea there will be some damage. It's a 400 pound dear...something is going to leave a mark. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
99
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Posted - 2013.09.02 22:20:00 -
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on another note, If I can jump ontop of a LAV I should be able to knife the driver out of it. You can shoot them out but you cant knife them. Its bogus. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.09.02 22:22:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:on another note, If I can jump ontop of a LAV I should be able to knife the driver out of it. You can shoot them out but you cant knife them. Its bogus.
your bogus. i have done it. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.09.02 22:23:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Goric Rumis wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: How does that make sense? >Gets hit by car at top speed >Takes no damage
>Car hits 400-pound deer at 40mph (65kph) >Deer gets instantly killed >Car takes no damage How does that make sense? And yet that's essentially what we have. If the vehicle takes no damage, the person who gets hit shouldn't take any damage either. If the person who gets hit is instantly killed, the vehicle should take substantial damage. Otherwise, don't talk about the logicality of anyone's argument. lol what are you smoking? cars are made of fiberglass...yea there will be some damage. It's a 400 pound dear...something is going to leave a mark.
because a ****** civilian car is made with the same materials and built to withstand the same situations as a military space LAV
edit: incase anyone forgot, LAV stands for light ASSAULT vehicle. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
99
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Posted - 2013.09.02 22:25:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:on another note, If I can jump ontop of a LAV I should be able to knife the driver out of it. You can shoot them out but you cant knife them. Its bogus. your bogus. i have done it.
How? Nova Knife hit detection is in the toilet. It takes 2 or 3 swings some times to hit a stationary infantry target at times. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.09.02 22:29:00 -
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knife ----> head |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
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Posted - 2013.09.02 22:31:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:knife ----> head
Cant do it with the awful hit detection man, it just shield flares or reacts like its hitting the vehicle |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
792
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Posted - 2013.09.02 22:31:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:also, infantry needs to get over itself. its called a roadkill. they are common in games with vehicles. dont like it? then get one yourself.
IT Is common in games with vehicles, true,games where vehicles are not cusomizable, nor soldiers have skills to use them with better preformance,nor vehicles take 4+ hits of Anti infantry weaponry.
You are right. It is common in other games. This isnt other games. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.09.02 22:35:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:also, infantry needs to get over itself. its called a roadkill. they are common in games with vehicles. dont like it? then get one yourself. IT Is common in games with vehicles, true,games where vehicles are not cusomizable, nor soldiers have skills to use them with better preformance,nor vehicles take 4+ hits of Anti infantry weaponry. You are right. It is common in other games. This isnt other games.
Great, so in this game where i CAN spec my vehicle into being able to take more hits and be all around more effective that just solidifies my ability to go for roadkills if i so choose. not saying thats my thing, id rather get out n gun someone down, but thanks for proving my points.
true games......lol |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.09.02 22:45:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Keep in mind the M113 APC has the armour thinkness of 12 - 38mm armour and could easily plow through a moose at top speed Minimum armour thickness is less than half what a Heavy suit has. We don't know the maximum, but looking at the design, there are overlapping sections, so probably close to - if not more than - the 60mm plate you can attach on your LAV. Regardless of that factor though, the HEAVY SUIT should be comfortably able to plow through a moose. The LAV should NOT be comfortably able to plow through a Heavy suit without any damage. How is the minimum thickness less then half of the heavy suit? My Gallenette LAV has over 1400 Armour without plates, around 2600 with plates, im pretty sure my LAV could mangle a heavy suit. Im not even counting the over 1000 HP from shields. Minimum armour thickness on a Heavy suit, as per the lore, is 25mm. Minimum armour thickness on the M113 APC, as per the quote I was replying directly to at the time, is 12mm. 12 x 2 = 24 24 < 25 Math is your friend. So is basic reading comprehension. Im not driving a M113 APC though, im driving a limbus. Going by HP numbers if a fully decked out heavy is rocking around 900 armour and my car is at base without armour mods around 1400 I should be able to plow through a heavy. 1400 > 900 According to WIkipedia, a Moose can get up to around 700kg.
A pickup truck that gets totalled by running into a moose (and yes, the moose will be severely injured, if not outright killed) is more than a tonne (approx. 1100kg).
1100/700 = 1.57 1400/900 = 1.55
The pickup has a bigger advantage over the moose than your LAV has over a Heavy suit.
No, I don't think you should spontaneously explode, or that the Heavy should survive when you hit him full-speed. But I don't think you should come away totally unharmed by the impact just because you have a bigger number where it says "HP" on your score chart. |
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