* Swarm Launcher base lock-on time has been increased to 1.4 from 1.2 and its fire interval has been reduced from 2 to 0.3

They cant kill infantry
- Most of the players run infantry

You are overstating the buff while not looking at the nerf.

They cant kill infantry
- Most of the players run infantry

You are overstating the buff while not looking at the nerf.

Well, if there really are no dropship buffs in 1.5, it will practically seal my fate into leaving this cluster-chaotic game for quite some time, and enjoying a truly well-developed gta V.

dropshits players are like annoying mosquitos , just afk up in the air , spectators , not really participating in combat

maps in dust514 are too small for dropships , you have no obstacles to avoid and you get where you want very fast but to what purpose?

but in a game like Planetside 2 they make more sense , they can serve as mean of transport and attack and retreat

Not sure how an AV only weapon can be a FOTM. You guys are really digging for stuff to complain about/sensationalize at this point.

you sir, are a complete and utter idiot, plain and simple. Just AFK up in the air? Spectators? In my assault dropship i often times can carry an entire team, with my best match going 32-0. I know how to play, and I also serve transport roles by also flying a proto logistics dropship that drops people wherever they need to go, you obviously know nothing about flying if you think all of that bull ****. And we don't have any obstacles!?!!??! WTF ARE YOU, IGNORANT TO FORGE GUNS, RAILGUN TANKS, SWARM LAUNCHERS!?!?!?

If you view the forums often, you would know that dropships are extremely underpowered and easy to take down by any AV, OHK's happen often by proto AV even if you're flying a dropship fitted with all proto modules, and now for them to introduce a buff to AV even more is a nail in the coffin to anyone wishing to fly at all, especially new players who want to try out weaker ships, those can now be practically taken down instantly by militia swarms even.

you are not a PRIMARY target since all you do is fly around , you more like a annoying mosquito that gets splashed eventually

Not trying to be negative about the new 1.4 patch notes, but what CCP decided to change for swarm launchers is completely insane.



I don't take any issue with the lock-on time being increased by only .2 seconds, but reducing the fire interval from 2... to .03!?!? That change means that proto-swarm launchers can practically act like 3 seperate swarm launcher players by firing at an un-godly interval, sending at least 12-16 missiles in near succession at whatever target they like. Combine this with 2-3 other proto swarm launchers and you get a weapon that's probably even harder hitting than the forge gun. All i have to say is I'm confused, as a dropship pilot i desperately needed that 2 seconds it took for them to fire again at me so I could actually engage the swarm launcher without worrying he would OP lock on kill me, now all I'll be able to do is run away when i see swarms. This is simply crazy.

They cant kill infantry
- Most of the players run infantry

You are overstating the buff while not looking at the nerf.

If you view the forums often, you would know that dropships are extremely underpowered and easy to take down by any AV, OHK's happen often by proto AV even if you're flying a dropship fitted with all proto modules, and now for them to introduce a buff to AV even more is a nail in the coffin to anyone wishing to fly at all, especially new players who want to try out weaker ships, those can now be practically taken down instantly by militia swarms even.

Here are some figures in the form of a table!

http://i.imgur.com/tLiMw1K.png?1

Pre-patchPost-patch
clip53
ammo (max skills)88
lock on time (max skills)1.21.05
fire interval20.3
reload (max skills)3.8253.825
Time to exhaust clip14.83
Time to exhaust clip + reload20.6257.125
Time to exhaust ammo (inc. reloads)27.42518.15Boost
Burst ROF (single clip)0.341.00194%
Exhaust ammo ROF0.290.4452%

So a 194% boost to burst ROF and a 52% ROF increase to exhausting all your ammo.

As several people mentioned above this post, I would like to point out that you will have to re-lock your target between shots with the swarm launcher. It's not a case of lock->fire->0.2sec delay->fire. It's Lock->fire-0.2sec delay->lock->fire->0.2sec delay.

As several people mentioned above this post, I would like to point out that you will have to re-lock your target between shots with the swarm launcher. It's not a case of lock->fire->0.2sec delay->fire. It's Lock->fire-0.2sec delay->lock->fire->0.2sec delay.

Not trying to be negative about the new 1.4 patch notes, but what CCP decided to change for swarm launchers is completely insane.



I don't take any issue with the lock-on time being increased by only .2 seconds, but reducing the fire interval from 2... to .03!?!? That change means that proto-swarm launchers can practically act like 3 seperate swarm launcher players by firing at an un-godly interval, sending at least 12-16 missiles in near succession at whatever target they like. Combine this with 2-3 other proto swarm launchers and you get a weapon that's probably even harder hitting than the forge gun. All i have to say is I'm confused, as a dropship pilot i desperately needed that 2 seconds it took for them to fire again at me so I could actually engage the swarm launcher without worrying he would OP lock on kill me, now all I'll be able to do is run away when i see swarms. This is simply crazy.

They cant kill infantry
- Most of the players run infantry

You are overstating the buff while not looking at the nerf.

As several people mentioned above this post, I would like to point out that you will have to re-lock your target between shots with the swarm launcher. It's not a case of lock->fire->0.2sec delay->fire. It's Lock->fire-0.2sec delay->lock->fire->0.2sec delay.

yep tanks are dead

"ich cant kwill LLAV , they invinsicible"

now you can

yep tanks are dead

Still probably not. Things are too fast and swarms love hitting crates, hills, the sides of buildings, blowing up with doing no damage, or not being able to keep up with a speeding LAV.

The taxis will be just fine.

what tank vs av av win's hel lets make av stronger ccp do you even play this game wow

Not as dead as you think, most of his numbers are wrong.

As several people mentioned above this post, I would like to point out that you will have to re-lock your target between shots with the swarm launcher. It's not a case of lock->fire->0.2sec delay->fire. It's Lock->fire-0.2sec delay->lock->fire->0.2sec delay.

the best part is the operations skill now lowers the lock on time. these things will be shooting 8 missiles x 300 damage(110% to armor) at mass driver RoF and at sniper range. no countermeasures, no warnings, nothing because if you can't tank it you're dead. bravo....

the best part is the operations skill now lowers the lock on time. these things will be shooting 8 missiles x 300 damage(110% to armor) at mass driver RoF and at sniper range. no countermeasures, no warnings, nothing because if you can't tank it you're dead. bravo....

As several people mentioned above this post, I would like to point out that you will have to re-lock your target between shots with the swarm launcher. It's not a case of lock->fire->0.2sec delay->fire. It's Lock->fire-0.2sec delay->lock->fire->0.2sec delay.

As several people mentioned above this post, I would like to point out that you will have to re-lock your target between shots with the swarm launcher. It's not a case of lock->fire->0.2sec delay->fire. It's Lock->fire-0.2sec delay->lock->fire->0.2sec delay.

Not as dead as you think, most of his numbers are wrong.

You know, that clip size nerf may balance out the RoF increase, this may be something that works better in practice than in theory, we need to see how this plays out in the field and what the vehicle changes in 1.5 are before we can make an accurate judgement on wise this update is.

Why are you buffing the swarm launcher? Are vehicles getting ridiculously powerful in 1.5? This could be the only explanation to this insanity.

-XOXO

The point of this is to make the more powerful Swarm Launchers (which have more shots per clip, but the same 6 shot total) be more powerful, as the current fre rate is almost as slow as the reload rate. Plus with all the Forge whining, and them going on record saying the Forge was fine, they needed to buff the other AV weapons accordingly. Probably gonna buff tanks too, who knows.

As several people mentioned above this post, I would like to point out that you will have to re-lock your target between shots with the swarm launcher. It's not a case of lock->fire->0.2sec delay->fire. It's Lock->fire-0.2sec delay->lock->fire->0.2sec delay.

They cant kill infantry
- Most of the players run infantry

You are overstating the buff while not looking at the nerf.

As several people mentioned above this post, I would like to point out that you will have to re-lock your target between shots with the swarm launcher. It's not a case of lock->fire->0.2sec delay->fire. It's Lock->fire-0.2sec delay->lock->fire->0.2sec delay.

swarm launchers destroy vehicles - no effect on infantry
forge gun is better at killing vehciles and probably one of the best weapons for killing infantry.

maybe the swarm launcher could be good at it's one job.

regardless If I can finally kill some solid vehcile users with swarms i'll be happy I suppose.

all that because you dont pay attention in the battlefield and you want easy

NEXT

what tank vs av av win's hel lets make av stronger ccp do you even play this game wow

Wow vehicle drivers are a bunch of whiners!

I agree that dropships deserve a buff, a strong one too. But other than that, it really pisses me off that other vehicle users pretend they should be allowed to stomp everyone else without real risk.

If someone skills into proto swarms, he DESERVES to be a major pain for vehicle users. He can't hurt infantry, which is a major tradeoff. If AV hits you, move to cover.

Maybe vehicle users should realise that they aren't meant to be solo-pwn mobiles. They SHOULD require team backup to fight AV.

Truth.

Wow vehicle drivers are a bunch of whiners!

I agree that dropships deserve a buff, a strong one too. But other than that, it really pisses me off that other vehicle users pretend they should be allowed to stomp everyone else without real risk.

If someone skills into proto swarms, he DESERVES to be a major pain for vehicle users. He can't hurt infantry, which is a major tradeoff. If AV hits you, move to cover.

Maybe vehicle users should realise that they aren't meant to be solo-pwn mobiles. They SHOULD require team backup to fight AV.

most of you arn't factoring in the resistance tanks usually have. My tank has 30% resistance. Swarms only do 80% damage to me. (If it works like i think)

They still do a lot of damage but not a super great godly deal of damage.

yeah, we should need our whole team in order to be effective, when they only need one guy to completely shut us out of the game.

Die in a fire.

You sir,,,,,are an idiot. Drive a Tank for a day & see how ignorant you are. Hell....any CoDboitard who wants a whirl in my "Sunday Best" can hit me up 4 Squad, pass me 1.5 Mil ISK, & I'll spawn you a Madrugar w/ ANY Large Turret. I know most of the PRO AVers.....I'll call out when they appear like Pok+¬mon in the wild. You go 30-0 w/o losing the Tank under these conditions & I'll hand you 100 Mil ISK. If you survive vs trash AV.....you get your ISK Refunded. Consider it like a Carnival Game :P

It does not work like you think.....

Stop using strawman arguments! You don't need an entire team to ward off AV! Often a single sniper will do the trick.

A good tanker gives his team a major advantage, and so it's only normal that he should require backup. Otherwise everyone would simply skill into tanks and it would turn into TANKS 514.

It does not work like you think.....

Clearly your team sucks if they don't help you get rid of AV users. Funny how EON seems to contain some of the biggest whiners

LOL, nice Troll kid. You almost had me there :P

You are Irrelevant.

Oh really? It ends up happening like that, because to get to the AV, they have to go through their entire team. If AV was only short range, then there would be no problem as far as getting to the AV killed.

Explain?

Explain?

Snipers never listen. You try finding one that does.

I'm actually a bit worried about the nerf to clip size. I think I'm going to die while reloading a lot more.

Especially since firing advertises your location to the whole map. Snipers will be the natural counter enemy to swarms.

Too much to explain, especially w/o knowing which Tank & Build you run. But off hand??? 100% - 30% =/= 80%.....for starters..... Not trying to be a D**K here.....but I assume Math is not your "Strong Suit".....

They do if you work as a team. Like I said, judging form the changes it's pretty clear CCP looks as stuff like tanks as a TEAM weapon that requires back up instead of being a solo-pwn mobile. So if you get into a tank that's able to stomp tons of average foot soldiers, it's not too much to ask to get organised and have 1-2 other dedicated players as back-up.

Otherwise the game wouldn't be a team game but rather TANKS 514.

The main problem I have with all the tank whining is this:

Most seem to expect that if they get into a tank, it should require most of the enemy team to take them down...leaving the rest of their own team free to do whatever they want. That would be totally unbalanced and turn the game into an tank arms race.

It does 130% with the damage bonus against armor.

It does 130% with the damage bonus against armor.

i am a tank driver and i see no problem with the new swarm timers. The increased lock time balances out the re-lock bonus.

still waiting on Sagaris tho

i am a tank driver and i see no problem with the new swarm timers. The increased lock time balances out the re-lock bonus.

still waiting on Sagaris tho

i am a tank driver and i see no problem with the new swarm timers. The increased lock time balances out the re-lock bonus.

still waiting on Sagaris tho

i am a tank driver

i see no problem with the new swarm launchers

Not sure how an AV only weapon can be a FOTM. You guys are really digging for stuff to complain about/sensationalize at this point.

First of all, with this militia swarms stuff, you vehicle guys have to be aware that there is usually an ADV or PRO guy shooting at you as well when there's some dude firing a militia one at you and he just happens to get the last hit, right? I see so many complaints about this but more often than not in game, this is what I see. Sure you get last hit by a militia but a militia SL is not taking down your incubus, your python, or your maddy. If a militia SL destroys your non-militia or poorly fitted DS, that's your own fault. It's also your own fault if you continue to fly in a hotzone with multiple swarms on you.

I fly militia drop ships and the only thing kittening up my day are forge guns and railguns. I also have run proto SL since chrome. Swarm launchers are absolutely worthless on dropships unless that pilot is half brain dead. They take too long to lock on, the swarms are too slow until they get within kill distance and they certainly won't make it to the flight ceiling if that guy is climbing at a halfway decent rate.

What many of you also fail to realize is that after the SL fires there is an extremely long delay between you being able to switch weapons, sprint, DO ANYTHING. It's essentially a 1+ second overheat without damage/cooldown after every shot. I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure this "buff" fixes the sprinting and weapon switch issues.

A decently fit dropship will tank a multiple proto level swarms without a problem. With this iteration we will have to reload CONSTANTLY. Giving you a huge window to get away. As it stands now a proto level swarm will hold 5 rounds in a clip and what? A measly 3 or 4 in the pool if you have the ammo maxed out? How weird does that look.

Everyone gets it, drop ships are very weak right now, but you guys really need to quit with this stuff.

They do if you work as a team. Like I said, judging form the changes it's pretty clear CCP looks as stuff like tanks as a TEAM weapon that requires back up instead of being a solo-pwn mobile. So if you get into a tank that's able to stomp tons of average foot soldiers, it's not too much to ask to get organised and have 1-2 other dedicated players as back-up.

Otherwise the game wouldn't be a team game but rather TANKS 514.

The main problem I have with all the tank whining is this:

Most seem to expect that if they get into a tank, it should require most of the enemy team to take them down...leaving the rest of their own team free to do whatever they want. That would be totally unbalanced and turn the game into an tank arms race.

It does 130% with the damage bonus against armor.

Got a Vehicle shield tank guide up in the noobs forum section.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101014&find=unread

Some armor tankers might wanna join me on the swarm resistant side.

as a dropship pilot i desperately needed that 2 seconds it took for them to fire again at me so I could actually engage the swarm launcher without worrying he would OP lock on kill me

ok so lets look at this i run proto swarm

squad vision is being disabled in 1.4 so it will be a lot harder for me to locate you

when i fire a swarm i light up like a xmas tree as six missiles fly across the map leaving trails that lead right back to me so i am totally visable to every sniper on the map

my clip is being reduced from 5 to 3

my overal ammo pool is being increased by 3 to 10 from 7

yes it is a buff but running SL is risky just make sure you have a good sniper on overwatch and use llavs as they are intended to repair you not as very hard murder taxis

and belive me if you have a llav repping you you wont have to worry as the increased damage will be negated

with swarm launcher operation on 5 and with the new bonus you will be aible to lock on faster and fire aswell faster then previously. And why nerf the clipsize? There was nothing wrong with it in the first place. I would really like to know who came up with this idea? Clipsize nerf and huge buff to the rate of fire. In my opinion the swarms shoulda had stayed how they where before. But meh now its official: the swarm launcher does more DPS then a assault forgegun.

but i want to play alone ala lone wolf and kill everyone

Why would you want to play solo in a multiplayer game.

I'm anti social depressive with random spikes of anxiety.

Playing alone is calming.

And more challenging.

lacking in human interaction.

As several people mentioned above this post, I would like to point out that you will have to re-lock your target between shots with the swarm launcher. It's not a case of lock->fire->0.2sec delay->fire. It's Lock->fire-0.2sec delay->lock->fire->0.2sec delay.

Yeah its not like theres going to be enough tanks running around to make 16 people drool uncontrolable while they all hop into a Swarmafit and rollRoflface over the keyboard while extending the double middlefinger courtesy of up yours buddy! Then blow you up like youve deserved it for the last 4 patches.

I seriously hope with this change i can actually again round a corner and not get a shot in the face from a near silent tank not showing on the minimap, witch has Unlimited ammo and rapes 950 EHP ProtoFace in a single shot.

Whenever i see a tank, i get instantly reminded of Invader Zim while he is invading his own homeplanet "PULL THOSE LEVERS, PUSH THOSE KNOBS"...

In planetside 2 when i see a tank, its ussally too bussy fighting other vehicles to bother with me, in Dust they are kinda like the Infantry Lawnmower....

Hope thats done and over :)

If a Rail Tank rounds a corner & 1-Shots your Proto Suit.....they are GOD & nobody had AV (How'd they even get to that corner from Redline in the 1st place???). If a Blaster Tank 1-Shots your Proto Suit.....you are BOTH LYING!!!!! LOL @ Missile Turret

Why would you want to play solo in a multiplayer game.

dropshits players are like annoying mosquitos , just afk up in the air , spectators , not really participating in combat

maps in dust514 are too small for dropships , you have no obstacles to avoid since you up in the air and you get where you want very fast but to what purpose?

but in a game like Planetside 2 they make more sense , they can serve as mean of transport and attack and retreat

If your dropship gets hit by AV and you stick around to look for and engage the hostile AV, you are probably doing something wrong.

ok so lets look at this i run proto swarm

squad vision is being disabled in 1.4 so it will be a lot harder for me to locate you

when i fire a swarm i light up like a xmas tree as six missiles fly across the map leaving trails that lead right back to me so i am totally visable to every sniper on the map

my clip is being reduced from 5 to 3

my overal ammo pool is being increased by 3 to 10 from 7

yes it is a buff but running SL is risky just make sure you have a good sniper on overwatch and use llavs as they are intended to repair you not as very hard murder taxis

and belive me if you have a llav repping you you wont have to worry as the increased damage will be negated