Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV.

Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6.

I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav.

Well wtf are you doing rolling out a tank in a pub match? Of course if I see a tank I am going to pull out a suit that can efficiently take it out. Seriously, some people....

I have met so many new names today with Lai Dai packed it isn't even funny. Can't remember all of them, will stay in redline from now on.

Charlotte, let's talk about tanking and fittings.

I'd just like to have an easier time killing LLAVs than I do HAVs

:/

Its BC all lavs have an inherent 20% damage resistance while tanks do not. They pretty much get two built in supplemental shield amplifiers.

Mad, Standard Proto Rail, Active Heat Sink, Rep, Dmg Upgr, Plate, PG Upgr, passive Armor Res

What to change?

Why don't u learn how to tank instead of bitching about prototype AV ? it's call prototype for a reason ! It's suppose to be strong ......

Why don't u learn how to tank instead of bitching about prototype AV ? it's call prototype for a reason ! It's suppose to be strong ......

Maddy

Low:
2xActive 25% armor gardeners
1 local PG expansion
1 heavy armor rep
1x120 poly plate

High:
Active heat sink
10% damage mod

Proto rail (compressed or standard issue)
OR
scattered ion cannon


S turrets...just 20gj blasters but u can use.proto on this fit if u choose

It's an amazing AV fitting but not quite as good at AI as of u switch the proto turret for a standard version and the 120mm for a 180mm.

Just manage you hardeners well and it should do you well.

Don't put damage mods and armor tanks. It's as asinine as putting a plate on a shield tank.

Putting a good cannon on your armor tank is the best you can do for getting a fit with a high DPS. Then the 2 gardeners make up for the list tank a bit.

Killing infantry withaddy = lots of tank. Not so much gank.
Killing vehicle with a Maddy is lots of tank. A little gank.



If you want a glass cannon, get a gunlogi BC air tanks cannot sacrifice low slots for marginally better dps. It won't stack upagainst another.properly fitted armor tank.

Source: more tank battles than I care to talk about against some of the best tankers in Dust. Trust me: these fits work if you understand your vehicle.

Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV.

Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6.

I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav.

Why don't u learn how to tank instead of bitching about prototype AV ? it's call prototype for a reason ! It's suppose to be strong ......

gunnlogi with heavy azerpotic shield extender, 3 ward shield amplifiers, heavy converse shield booster, scat nuetron blaster... =enough time to get away and recall... but doesnt work against proto Assault FG-that thing is just too dam OP

Well wtf are you doing rolling out a tank in a pub match? Of course if I see a tank I am going to pull out a suit that can efficiently take it out.
Though I truly love running a militia forge gun and catching the tears when your expensive tank dies to my cheapass militia gear

Well wtf are you doing rolling out a tank in a pub match? Of course if I see a tank I am going to pull out a suit that can efficiently take it out.
Though I truly love running a militia forge gun and catching the tears when your expensive tank dies to my cheapass militia gear

Well wtf are you running into battle with an AR for? what you think just because you spec into something you should use it? i swear, thank god we hav epeople like you, i was getting worried about the state of the dust community

AV's? I never leave the MCC without them. If it weren't for muder taxis running all over the place I wouldn't have to carry them as a standard bit of equipment in the first place.

Its BC all lavs have an inherent 20% damage resistance while tanks do not. They pretty much get two built in supplemental shield amplifiers.

Mad, Standard Proto Rail, Active Heat Sink, Rep, Dmg Upgr, Plate, PG Upgr, passive Armor Res

What to change?

Well wtf are you doing rolling out a tank in a pub match? Of course if I see a tank I am going to pull out a suit that can efficiently take it out.
Though I truly love running a militia forge gun and catching the tears when your expensive tank dies to my cheapass militia gear

Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV.

Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6.

I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav.

Its BC logistic lavs have an inherent 30% damage resistance while tanks do not. They pretty much get two built in ward shield amplifiers.

Why don't u learn how to tank instead of bitching about prototype AV ? it's call prototype for a reason ! It's suppose to be strong ......

Get rid of the super resist that LLVs have. Lower it to about 10% (maybe 15% tops for a "PRO LLV" once there's such a thing a ADV/PRO vehicles)

It seems everyone agrees that this needs to happen - we need ADV/PRO vehicles to contend with the all the ADVPRO AV. They need better HP and inherent resists activated by skill and whatnot.

As a side note, AV grenades are way OP against armor... I hope a change is considered in their damage/mechanics/something...

your W**** armor reps are going away eventually so you'll need all the tank you can get.

We're working away on the vehicles atm. We'll give you guys an overview of what we're doing shortly so you know what's going on.

We're working away on the vehicles atm. We'll give you guys an overview of what we're doing shortly so you know what's going on.

We're working away on the vehicles atm. We'll give you guys an overview of what we're doing shortly so you know what's going on.

We're working away on the vehicles atm. We'll give you guys an overview of what we're doing shortly so you know what's going on.

Should be able to give you an update next week. Encountered a small bump in the road yesterday so need to figure that out first since it could change things a bit.

Lets all speculate as to what that bump might be!

ME FIRST!

RDV's. Why bother having expensive air vehicles if RDV's can just nullify them randomly? amirite

Lets all speculate as to what that bump might be!

ME FIRST!

RDV's. Why bother having expensive air vehicles if RDV's can just nullify them randomly? amirite

We're working away on the vehicles atm. We'll give you guys an overview of what we're doing shortly so you know what's going on.

We're working away on the vehicles atm. We'll give you guys an overview of what we're doing shortly so you know what's going on.

Funny how every soul here missed the ops point:

Not to complain about proto AV as such but to point out that pub match and PC match environment differ ENORMOUSLY by AV standpoint.
The question is, will CCP balance vehicles for pub games or corp battles of 16vs16 (or maybe even consider 32vs32)?

Well wtf are you running into battle with an AR for? what you think just because you spec into something you should use it? i swear, thank god we hav epeople like you, i was getting worried about the state of the dust community

So how do you expect any tanker to have good instincts and experience if they don't tank in pub matches?

Oh wait, you don't care for vehicles anyway and would prefer them to be removed entirely.

Should be able to give you an update next week. Encountered a small bump in the road yesterday so need to figure that out first since it could change things a bit.

Oh, great! Keep it up!

Butthurt much?
Why does it not surprise me that this is coming from an STB member, the oldest tank spammers in the game?
No, I am tired of hearing you vehicle drivers ***** and moan about someone taking out your vehicle with something THEY fully specced into and then whining that every av weapon in the game is too op just because you can't drive.
Of COURSE people are going to be gunning after you when your whole team has 4 LAVs and multiple tanks tearing around the map, to expect everyone to just bow down to what, if you had your way, would be an undefeatable hammer of god is completely absurd and just makes you sound even more petulant.
If CCP finally gets around to balancing these vehicles correct they should be expensive enough thst they would primarily only be used in corp battles and pc, or at least expensive enough that they would be seriously thought about before deploying in a match, only then would I agree that they should have their power upped.

Should be able to give you an update next week. Encountered a small bump in the road yesterday so need to figure that out first since it could change things a bit.

Why don't u learn how to tank instead of bitching about prototype AV ? it's call prototype for a reason ! It's suppose to be strong ......

lol ar users using what they specced into = fine
tank drivers using what they specced into = OMFGWTFBBQ

i chose tanks instead of an assault rifle so im a skilless spammer

i know you want so bad to be all cool and trash stb but make sure you at least do it right kid. i ws never complaining. i was mocking people like you. in fact, im glad you typed what you did because now i have it all in the same post and not only do you look like an idiot, you helped to make the guy above look like even more of a moron too. nice try, learn 2 forum

lol ar users using what they specced into = fine
tank drivers using what they specced into = OMFGWTFBBQ

i chose tanks instead of an assault rifle so im a skilless spammer

after all that you are wrong. OP not complaining about people shooting him, he is saying CCP needs to balance tanks properly, e.g. for PC, not pub matches where teams and their fittings are very predictably bad, and where there is no teamwork.

who needs to read? and no, i didnt read your post, pretty useless wrong opinions


also, you better think of dozens of STB tanks rollin across the field. fact is,we dont have many drivers and we like to squad together. problem is, the other blueberries on the team feel its safe to call in their own cause we will protect them.

and.....ah **** i dont even care anymore, im in a game

And I just finished work, thanks for the entertainment, it's been fun, I honestly mean that :).



Also, you're wrong.

np dude, here ya go. seems ya would fit in here

Clicky

We're working away on the vehicles atm. We'll give you guys an overview of what we're doing shortly so you know what's going on.

Butthurt much?
Why does it not surprise me that this is coming from an STB member, the oldest tank spammers in the game?
No, I am tired of hearing you vehicle drivers ***** and moan about someone taking out your vehicle with something THEY fully specced into and then whining that every av weapon in the game is too op just because you can't drive.
Of COURSE people are going to be gunning after you when your whole team has 4 LAVs and multiple tanks tearing around the map, to expect everyone to just bow down to what, if you had your way, would be an undefeatable hammer of god is completely absurd and just makes you sound even more petulant.
If CCP finally gets around to balancing these vehicles correct they should be expensive enough thst they would primarily only be used in corp battles and pc, or at least expensive enough that they would be seriously thought about before deploying in a match, only then would I agree that they should have their power upped.

I'll just be here waiting for you to show me exactly where I said that or even hinted that.....

Oh? Nothing? How odd...

As far as training your instincts and experience? How much experince do you hope to gain if all the weapons that pose any kind of threat to you are as underpowered as the whining minority if tankers (see what I did there?) would like them to be? Sounds to me like you just want a god mode, as it is the worst tankers out there already do nothing but destroy turrets (and for some reason all the friendly supply depots, do they not know or just not care how detrimental that is to their team? idk) and take half-hearted pot-shots at passing heavies.

My main beef with tanks in pub matches is this: if they are easily obtainable enough for five idiots like that to use in a single map then what do you honestly expect the rest of us to do? We should not have to devote half a team to taking on a single tank, let alone five, if av weapons were nerfed there would be so many vehicles in the field constantly that there would no longer be any gunplay because we are trying to do something about YOU.

I have said before in other threads that I am definitely willing to compromise. Give us a sticky explosive like c4 that has to be applied from within a foot of a tank instead of bs av nades, lower the power of each forge shot but lower the charge time and up the clip size and strike speed so it requires more skill than one or two lucky shots. Give us some proper proxy mines that are visible to a careful tanker but will blow the treads off of and temporarily immobilize someone less wary.
I'm hardly as unreasonable as you'd paint me out to be.
However the ops statement of everyone either being a tank of proto av as if it should not be so is just completely ignoring cause and effect: if I join a dozen pub matches and eleven of them end with the other team victorious due to their four tanks circling the map and LAVs kill-taxiing everyone between OBVIOUSLY I am going to spec into something to counter that.

Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV.

Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6.

I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav.

WAAAAHHHH PPL R ADAPTING TO MY TANK AND NOW I HAVE TO PLAY HARDER N MAYBE DIE AND I DONT LIKE IT WAAAAAHHHHHH NERF AV PLZ CCP OR ILL QUIT THE GAME CUZ MY TANK SHOULD NVR DIE WAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

Allow me to fix this up for you..




The sad part? CCP Wolfman actually responded to his ******** complaint.

/thread

Have you been in a tank and witness half its armor melt away from PRO AV?

We're working away on the vehicles atm. We'll give you guys an overview of what we're doing shortly so you know what's going on.

lol at the retards in this thread

'You cant use what you skilled into thats OP, procceds to pull out crutch swarms because thats what they skilled into but thats fine because it infantry'

lol tanks are easily obtainable - obv not a driver or even looked at the tree since its easier to obtain proto AV than to fit a basic tank to survive a general match which contains at least 1 adv user

'Oh no 5 tanks such a problem let me bring out proto AV to kill basic tanks because its fair because i skilled into them and they are not OP against basic tanks'

'player are skilling into proto AV because of all these tanks' - no they are not, they skill into it because its OP against basic vehicles and can destroy them all with ease


Ye OP PC matches have been rough proto AV everywhere and i cant even take a break in pub games because proto AV ther also

Can't wait for you to read the patch notes

We're working away on the vehicles atm. We'll give you guys an overview of what we're doing shortly so you know what's going on.

No, because I'm the guy peeling the armor away. And for reference - if I melt half your armor away in 1 shot, you fit your tank poorly. I've come across PLENTY of GOOD tank drivers who - despite being HEAVILY specc'd in to AV, and despite being VERY cunning about alpha'ing them - I just could not kill.

If you're losing half your HP in one shot, that's not my fault. It's yours. Tank spam made me go Proficency IV in Swarms and Forge Guns, and made me get Proto Grenades. You tank drivers have nobody to blame for this epidemic of AV but yourselves. The majority of my SP has gone in to ensuring that I can counter tank drivers, all as a RESULT of tank drivers.

We're working away on the vehicles atm. We'll give you guys an overview of what we're doing shortly so you know what's going on.

We're working away on the vehicles atm. We'll give you guys an overview of what we're doing shortly so you know what's going on.

Thank god...