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Flux Raeder wrote:

Lurchasaurus wrote:

Flux Raeder wrote:

Charlotte O'Dell wrote:

Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV.

Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6.

I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav.

Well wtf are you doing rolling out a tank in a pub match? Of course if I see a tank I am going to pull out a suit that can efficiently take it out.
Though I truly love running a militia forge gun and catching the tears when your expensive tank dies to my cheapass militia gear

Well wtf are you running into battle with an AR for? what you think just because you spec into something you should use it? i swear, thank god we hav epeople like you, i was getting worried about the state of the dust community

Butthurt much?
Why does it not surprise me that this is coming from an STB member, the oldest tank spammers in the game?
No, I am tired of hearing you vehicle drivers ***** and moan about someone taking out your vehicle with something THEY fully specced into and then whining that every av weapon in the game is too op just because you can't drive.
Of COURSE people are going to be gunning after you when your whole team has 4 LAVs and multiple tanks tearing around the map, to expect everyone to just bow down to what, if you had your way, would be an undefeatable hammer of god is completely absurd and just makes you sound even more petulant.
If CCP finally gets around to balancing these vehicles correct they should be expensive enough thst they would primarily only be used in corp battles and pc, or at least expensive enough that they would be seriously thought about before deploying in a match, only then would I agree that they should have their power upped.

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Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 495	Posted - 2013.08.23 00:46:00 - [31] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV. Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6. I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav. Yes, they know this. We all know this. You can stop repeating this everyday now.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1219	Posted - 2013.08.23 00:46:00 - [32] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I'd just like to have an easier time killing LLAVs than I do HAVs :/ Its BC logistic lavs have an inherent 30% damage resistance while tanks do not. They pretty much get two built in ward shield amplifiers. fixed that one for you.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 433	Posted - 2013.08.23 00:46:00 - [33] - Quote Bravo614 wrote: Why don't u learn how to tank instead of bitching about prototype AV ? it's call prototype for a reason ! It's suppose to be strong ...... LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL "learn how to tank" How about you learn to tank and see it from our side? Any one of us is space rich and could drop you a top "standard fit" Madrugar in missile, blaster or rail gun flavors for you to try it out. Odds are, you'd die second volley from PRO swarms, or get AV grenaded in about 4 seconds from ADV AV grenades.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 433	Posted - 2013.08.23 00:47:00 - [34] - Quote Valentine Crendre wrote: Get rid of the super resist that LLVs have. Lower it to about 10% (maybe 15% tops for a "PRO LLV" once there's such a thing a ADV/PRO vehicles) It seems everyone agrees that this needs to happen - we need ADV/PRO vehicles to contend with the all the ADVPRO AV. They need better HP and inherent resists activated by skill and whatnot. As a side note, AV grenades are way OP against armor... I hope a change is considered in their damage/mechanics/something... So you're basically asking for the passive resistance skill to be done away with, as well as being able to put on passive/active resistance/hardener modules? No sale
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 433	Posted - 2013.08.23 00:50:00 - [35] - Quote ladwar wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Don't put damage mods and armor tanks. It's as asinine as putting a plate on a shield tank. Putting a good cannon on your armor tank is the best you can do for getting a fit with a high DPS. Then the 2 gardeners make up for the list tank a bit. Killing infantry withaddy = lots of tank. Not so much gank. Killing vehicle with a Maddy is lots of tank. A little gank. If you want a glass cannon, get a gunlogi BC air tanks cannot sacrifice low slots for marginally better dps. It won't stack upagainst another.properly fitted armor tank. Source: more tank battles than I care to talk about against some of the best tankers in Dust. Trust me: these fits work if you understand your vehicle. your W**** armor reps are going away eventually so you'll need all the tank you can get. I hope with that comes a parallel AV nerf, because if not, this account won't be used anymore and I'll use my alt and become an assault scrub like 98% of the playerbase.
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 188	Posted - 2013.08.23 01:00:00 - [36] - Quote charlote lets talk aboot sexy

CCP Wolfman C C P C C P Alliance 1355	Posted - 2013.08.23 01:58:00 - [37] - Quote We're working away on the vehicles atm. We'll give you guys an overview of what we're doing shortly so you know what's going on.

Casius Hakoke Molon Labe. League of Infamy 274	Posted - 2013.08.23 02:00:00 - [38] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: We're working away on the vehicles atm. We'll give you guys an overview of what we're doing shortly so you know what's going on. Go CCP Wolfman. Can't wait to hear what you guys are doing with vehicles/AV.
Lillica Deathdealer Mango and Friends 185	Posted - 2013.08.23 02:01:00 - [39] - Quote whoa, wolfman commented on something by O'Dell. Also thanks wolfman!
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 574	Posted - 2013.08.23 02:01:00 - [40] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: We're working away on the vehicles atm. We'll give you guys an overview of what we're doing shortly so you know what's going on. 5 isk. "we're removing vehicles so people will focus more on the core gameplay of "Everyone use an AR/MD 514""

TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2881	Posted - 2013.08.23 02:02:00 - [41] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: We're working away on the vehicles atm. We'll give you guys an overview of what we're doing shortly so you know what's going on. How soon is "shortly"? I was hoping for 1.4 to be the vehicle patch, but it got bumped to 1.5. It's really the only thing I'm looking forward to atm.
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 498	Posted - 2013.08.23 02:05:00 - [42] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: We're working away on the vehicles atm. We'll give you guys an overview of what we're doing shortly so you know what's going on. Got a eta? Like a week or two? Or will it longer?

CCP Wolfman C C P C C P Alliance 1355	Posted - 2013.08.23 02:13:00 - [43] - Quote Should be able to give you an update next week. Encountered a small bump in the road yesterday so need to figure that out first since it could change things a bit.

Nguruthos IX Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 1127	Posted - 2013.08.23 02:21:00 - [44] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Should be able to give you an update next week. Encountered a small bump in the road yesterday so need to figure that out first since it could change things a bit. Lets all speculate as to what that bump might be! ME FIRST! RDV's. Why bother having expensive air vehicles if RDV's can just nullify them randomly? amirite
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 575	Posted - 2013.08.23 02:24:00 - [45] - Quote my guess is just how hard a pill to swallow removing all vehicles from the game is going to be.
commando biffle Shadow Company HQ 6	Posted - 2013.08.23 02:27:00 - [46] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: Should be able to give you an update next week. Encountered a small bump in the road yesterday so need to figure that out first since it could change things a bit. Lets all speculate as to what that bump might be! ME FIRST! RDV's. Why bother having expensive air vehicles if RDV's can just nullify them randomly? amirite +1
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1310	Posted - 2013.08.23 02:29:00 - [47] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: Should be able to give you an update next week. Encountered a small bump in the road yesterday so need to figure that out first since it could change things a bit. Lets all speculate as to what that bump might be! ME FIRST! RDV's. Why bother having expensive air vehicles if RDV's can just nullify them randomly? amirite I'm guessing the bump was a bump. Several, actually.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1582	Posted - 2013.08.23 02:30:00 - [48] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: We're working away on the vehicles atm. We'll give you guys an overview of what we're doing shortly so you know what's going on. Are you going to release the other racial tanks and dropships? Because if you aren't why in the world would you do a balance pass on them.... Just like making the game take longer to develop? Is it fun putting in massive man hours to get the same job done multiple times instead of once?
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 159	Posted - 2013.08.23 02:33:00 - [49] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: We're working away on the vehicles atm. We'll give you guys an overview of what we're doing shortly so you know what's going on. I will give you a nice big sheep if you give me anti missile lock systems on my DS and an even bigger sheep if you give me a vehicle lock/kick button so I can get random blue berries out of my ship
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative.. 673	Posted - 2013.08.23 02:53:00 - [50] - Quote Funny how every soul here missed the ops point: Not to complain about proto AV as such but to point out that pub match and PC match environment differ ENORMOUSLY by AV standpoint. The question is, will CCP balance vehicles for pub games or corp battles of 16vs16 (or maybe even consider 32vs32)?

Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 575	Posted - 2013.08.23 02:57:00 - [51] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Funny how every soul here missed the ops point: Not to complain about proto AV as such but to point out that pub match and PC match environment differ ENORMOUSLY by AV standpoint. The question is, will CCP balance vehicles for pub games or corp battles of 16vs16 (or maybe even consider 32vs32)? if they balance them for pub matches, they'll be ** for PC. if they balance them for PC, the pub players will ** and moan until they're nerfed again.
Flux Raeder WarRavens League of Infamy 153	Posted - 2013.08.23 03:06:00 - [52] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Flux Raeder wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV. Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6. I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav. Well wtf are you doing rolling out a tank in a pub match? Of course if I see a tank I am going to pull out a suit that can efficiently take it out. Though I truly love running a militia forge gun and catching the tears when your expensive tank dies to my cheapass militia gear Well wtf are you running into battle with an AR for? what you think just because you spec into something you should use it? i swear, thank god we hav epeople like you, i was getting worried about the state of the dust community Butthurt much? Why does it not surprise me that this is coming from an STB member, the oldest tank spammers in the game? No, I am tired of hearing you vehicle drivers ***** and moan about someone taking out your vehicle with something THEY fully specced into and then whining that every av weapon in the game is too op just because you can't drive. Of COURSE people are going to be gunning after you when your whole team has 4 LAVs and multiple tanks tearing around the map, to expect everyone to just bow down to what, if you had your way, would be an undefeatable hammer of god is completely absurd and just makes you sound even more petulant. If CCP finally gets around to balancing these vehicles correct they should be expensive enough thst they would primarily only be used in corp battles and pc, or at least expensive enough that they would be seriously thought about before deploying in a match, only then would I agree that they should have their power upped.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 43	Posted - 2013.08.23 03:38:00 - [53] - Quote Resistances are bugged and are getting an aditional stacking penalty. I just made a post about it in the bug section (sorry I cant link it, I'm on my cellphone).
Flux Raeder WarRavens League of Infamy 153	Posted - 2013.08.23 03:43:00 - [54] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Flux Raeder wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV. Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6. I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav. Well wtf are you doing rolling out a tank in a pub match? Of course if I see a tank I am going to pull out a suit that can efficiently take it out. Though I truly love running a militia forge gun and catching the tears when your expensive tank dies to my cheapass militia gear So how do you expect any tanker to have good instincts and experience if they don't tank in pub matches? Oh wait, you don't care for vehicles anyway and would prefer them to be removed entirely. I'll just be here waiting for you to show me exactly where I said that or even hinted that..... Oh? Nothing? How odd... As far as training your instincts and experience? How much experince do you hope to gain if all the weapons that pose any kind of threat to you are as underpowered as the whining minority if tankers (see what I did there?) would like them to be? Sounds to me like you just want a god mode, as it is the worst tankers out there already do nothing but destroy turrets (and for some reason all the friendly supply depots, do they not know or just not care how detrimental that is to their team? idk) and take half-hearted pot-shots at passing heavies. My main beef with tanks in pub matches is this: if they are easily obtainable enough for five idiots like that to use in a single map then what do you honestly expect the rest of us to do? We should not have to devote half a team to taking on a single tank, let alone five, if av weapons were nerfed there would be so many vehicles in the field constantly that there would no longer be any gunplay because we are trying to do something about YOU. I have said before in other threads that I am definitely willing to compromise. Give us a sticky explosive like c4 that has to be applied from within a foot of a tank instead of bs av nades, lower the power of each forge shot but lower the charge time and up the clip size and strike speed so it requires more skill than one or two lucky shots. Give us some proper proxy mines that are visible to a careful tanker but will blow the treads off of and temporarily immobilize someone less wary. I'm hardly as unreasonable as you'd paint me out to be. However the ops statement of everyone either being a tank of proto av as if it should not be so is just completely ignoring cause and effect: if I join a dozen pub matches and eleven of them end with the other team victorious due to their four tanks circling the map and LAVs kill-taxiing everyone between OBVIOUSLY I am going to spec into something to counter that.
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 501	Posted - 2013.08.23 03:43:00 - [55] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Should be able to give you an update next week. Encountered a small bump in the road yesterday so need to figure that out first since it could change things a bit. Oh, great! Keep it up!
Flux Raeder WarRavens League of Infamy 157	Posted - 2013.08.23 05:56:00 - [56] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: Should be able to give you an update next week. Encountered a small bump in the road yesterday so need to figure that out first since it could change things a bit. Oh, great! Keep it up! Would that "small bump" happen be similar to the ones that were kersploding LAVs that tried to off-road? Lol I'm sorry, I troll, I trollolol
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 977	Posted - 2013.08.23 06:02:00 - [57] - Quote Flux Raeder wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Flux Raeder wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV. Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6. I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav. Well wtf are you doing rolling out a tank in a pub match? Of course if I see a tank I am going to pull out a suit that can efficiently take it out. Though I truly love running a militia forge gun and catching the tears when your expensive tank dies to my cheapass militia gear Well wtf are you running into battle with an AR for? what you think just because you spec into something you should use it? i swear, thank god we hav epeople like you, i was getting worried about the state of the dust community Butthurt much? Why does it not surprise me that this is coming from an STB member, the oldest tank spammers in the game? No, I am tired of hearing you vehicle drivers ***** and moan about someone taking out your vehicle with something THEY fully specced into and then whining that every av weapon in the game is too op just because you can't drive. Of COURSE people are going to be gunning after you when your whole team has 4 LAVs and multiple tanks tearing around the map, to expect everyone to just bow down to what, if you had your way, would be an undefeatable hammer of god is completely absurd and just makes you sound even more petulant. If CCP finally gets around to balancing these vehicles correct they should be expensive enough thst they would primarily only be used in corp battles and pc, or at least expensive enough that they would be seriously thought about before deploying in a match, only then would I agree that they should have their power upped. i know you want so bad to be all cool and trash stb but make sure you at least do it right kid. i ws never complaining. i was mocking people like you. in fact, im glad you typed what you did because now i have it all in the same post and not only do you look like an idiot, you helped to make the guy above look like even more of a moron too. nice try, learn 2 forum lol ar users using what they specced into = fine tank drivers using what they specced into = OMFGWTFBBQ i chose tanks instead of an assault rifle so im a skilless spammer
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 977	Posted - 2013.08.23 06:09:00 - [58] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Should be able to give you an update next week. Encountered a small bump in the road yesterday so need to figure that out first since it could change things a bit. You are a gentleman and a scholar.
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 688	Posted - 2013.08.23 06:38:00 - [59] - Quote Bravo614 wrote: Why don't u learn how to tank instead of bitching about prototype AV ? it's call prototype for a reason ! It's suppose to be strong ...... what about my drop ships...you literally can not escape even miltia AV
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 688	Posted - 2013.08.23 06:44:00 - [60] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: lol ar users using what they specced into = fine tank drivers using what they specced into = OMFGWTFBBQ i chose tanks instead of an assault rifle so im a skilless spammer sheds single tear me and my people feel this pain... seriously. AR noobs do this with every freaking thing in the game. HMG people using what they specced into = OP...OMG...OOOOMG... OP ...O..FREAKIN P MD, flaylock users using what they specced into = WTF CCP, ITS GONNA BE FLAYLOCK 514 tanks, dropship, LAV users using what they specced into = AV NEEDS A BUFF, OMG, ITS GONNA BE TANK 514...WHY DIDNT MY AR KILL THAT TANK... AR users use what they specced into = perfectly fine



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