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Posted - 2013.08.23 06:44:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:lol ar users using what they specced into = fine
tank drivers using what they specced into = OMFGWTFBBQ
i chose tanks instead of an assault rifle so im a skilless spammer
*sheds single tear* me and my people feel this pain...
seriously. AR noobs do this with every freaking thing in the game.
HMG people using what they specced into = OP...OMG...OOOOMG... OP ...O..FREAKIN P
MD, flaylock users using what they specced into = WTF CCP, ITS GONNA BE FLAYLOCK 514
tanks, dropship, LAV users using what they specced into = AV NEEDS A BUFF, OMG, ITS GONNA BE TANK 514...WHY DIDNT MY AR KILL THAT TANK...
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Posted - 2013.08.23 18:17:00 -
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Flux Raeder wrote:
On the battlefield an ar soldier is just another infantry member, on average they get about 10-20 kills,
Dude. Your statement here is true. but do you understand the gravity of this statement you just made?
ARs account for more kills than 11 out of the 14 possible gun choices combined. they have higher DPS than Tank turrets and HMGs (hmg dps is higher but the disperion and hit detection make it all around lower). the AR has enough ammo capacity with a std AR to get 27 kills if they dnt miss a single hot, and are in effective range. If you only engage enemies in your effective range you can kill 17-18 enemies before needing a supply depot (average), dnt forget the perfect accuracy, zero overheat and near perfect hip fire.
so, if you were to use a milita AR with no damage mods, no profiiciency, and no headshots, with zero SP into ARs you can take out on average 15-17 (militia has less per clip). a MD can only get 4-6 kills without using flux grenades because it takes on average 3 shots to kill your average suit.
dnt forget there is literally no drawback to the AR. it has almost no weakness within the range of 5m-75m.
ARs are OP NOT tanks because TANKS ARE:
expensive
require alot of SP
are a bigger target*
*will explain shortly
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whereas a tank is a TANK. It is a monster of metal and ammunition and a substantial threat to everyone on the field WHICH IS WHY everyone goes after it to try to nullify the biggest threat to their team.
this is the problem. *just like with heavies, Tanks are supposed to be able to take punishment from multiple players on the enemy team. however, the problem is that one guy with some AV grenades can take out a tank by himself!.
If he has lower level AV nades then he may need some some swarms or a "milita forge gun". but really?
A heavy can be taken out by 1 guy with a milita assault rifle in under 3.7 seconds. without damage mods, proficiency or headshots.
A tank can be taken out by one guy with AV grenades and milita forge gun or milita swarms.
the problem is that it DOES NOT REQUIRE A TEAM WITH AV TO TAKE OUT A TANK. just 1 guy running cheap AV stuff can handle most tanks. and just forget about dropships.
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Now, had you bothered to read into my posts my problem with op was that they are whining about people running weapons that could actually damage them in their metal fortress.
So from what the op said it seems that av users using what they specced into is an "OMGWTFBBQ" which I said was ridiculous.
I then went on to say that the reason so many people are speccing proto av is because there are way too many tanks per pub match. Five tanks on a field is ridiculous and yet it nears or reaches that almost every domination or ambush match.
I continued from that point to my next which was NOT that tankers should not use their tanks but that they CCP should balance the game in a way that makes it a more specialized vehicle.
When one guy with AV can take out 2-3 tanks by himself. it negates the point to using vehicles.
people should specc into proto AV. i agree sadly, you dnt more than standard to get the same results. all you need are std swarms, or forgun, and AV grenades and you can handle most Tanks yourself.
its a joke, you can advance and push forward with tanks because the AV from one guy on their team can negate your tanks and the rest of the 15 players on the enemy team can run proto caldari logistics with duvolles all match in pub matchs. thiss is the real problem not tanks in pub matchs proto suits with proto ARs.
its getting to the point where every match unless your running proto gear your team gets smacked because everyone is running proto caldari suits with duvolles.
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A point that I backed up with the fact that if vehicle usage continues to increase, there will be so many people trying to av that there will be almost no gunplay, something I am already starting to see as a whole flock of blue errors comes out in av gear to have at the tanks, LAVs and dropships that are swarming the map.
you and I both know that dropships are no problem ever. just stop right there.
LAVs are a problem until you have proto AV, then they are not. this = problem solved. i support this.
1 guy wit AV takingout 3 tanks, makes no ******* sense whatsoever.
again the tankers are just trying to fight back against the swarms of infantry with proto caldari assault and logistics suits withthere GEKs and duvolles. so its ok to have teams composed of this, but when their are tanks its a problem. you guys try to nerf everything that isnt an AR or an assault suit.
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On a more personal note: ...
^^that stuff is cool. happy hunting sniper |