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Charlotte O'Dell 0uter.Heaven 1019	Posted - 2013.08.22 21:49:00 - [1] - Quote Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV. Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6. I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav.
Flux Raeder WarRavens League of Infamy 152	Posted - 2013.08.22 21:52:00 - [2] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV. Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6. I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav. Well wtf are you doing rolling out a tank in a pub match? Of course if I see a tank I am going to pull out a suit that can efficiently take it out. Though I truly love running a militia forge gun and catching the tears when your expensive tank dies to my cheapass militia gear
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 87	Posted - 2013.08.22 21:57:00 - [3] - Quote I have met so many new names today with Lai Dai packed it isn't even funny. Can't remember all of them, will stay in redline from now on. Charlotte, let's talk about tanking and fittings.
Mamertine Son R.E.B.E.L.S 220	Posted - 2013.08.22 21:58:00 - [4] - Quote AV's? I never leave the MCC without them. If it weren't for muder taxis running all over the place I wouldn't have to carry them as a standard bit of equipment in the first place.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1215	Posted - 2013.08.22 21:59:00 - [5] - Quote Flux Raeder wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV. Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6. I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav. Well wtf are you doing rolling out a tank in a pub match? Of course if I see a tank I am going to pull out a suit that can efficiently take it out. Seriously, some people.... seriously why should killing a tank cost more then 30k ISK and take more then 2 second and not render at all and hit from 250m away where only vehicles renders for infantry, it only cost 500k+ ISK more and 6million sp more than its AV. and people complain about mass drivers that usually take longer to kill than other weapon, even AV kills vehicles faster. welcome to AR514.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5845	Posted - 2013.08.22 22:00:00 - [6] - Quote I'd just like to have an easier time killing LLAVs than I do HAVs :/
Charlotte O'Dell 0uter.Heaven 1021	Posted - 2013.08.22 22:01:00 - [7] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: I have met so many new names today with Lai Dai packed it isn't even funny. Can't remember all of them, will stay in redline from now on. Charlotte, let's talk about tanking and fittings. I have all the fittings. Ever.
Charlotte O'Dell 0uter.Heaven 1021	Posted - 2013.08.22 22:02:00 - [8] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I'd just like to have an easier time killing LLAVs than I do HAVs :/ Its BC all lavs have an inherent 20% damage resistance while tanks do not. They pretty much get two built in supplemental shield amplifiers.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 88	Posted - 2013.08.22 22:03:00 - [9] - Quote Mad, Standard Proto Rail, Active Heat Sink, Rep, Dmg Upgr, Plate, PG Upgr, passive Armor Res What to change?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5845	Posted - 2013.08.22 22:04:00 - [10] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I'd just like to have an easier time killing LLAVs than I do HAVs :/ Its BC all lavs have an inherent 20% damage resistance while tanks do not. They pretty much get two built in supplemental shield amplifiers. And they can be a ***** to hit with a forge gun, particularly Assault forge guns.

Bravo614 Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 0	Posted - 2013.08.22 22:05:00 - [11] - Quote Why don't u learn how to tank instead of bitching about prototype AV ? it's call prototype for a reason ! It's suppose to be strong ......
Valentine Crendre ZionTCD 66	Posted - 2013.08.22 22:05:00 - [12] - Quote Get rid of the super resist that LLVs have. Lower it to about 10% (maybe 15% tops for a "PRO LLV" once there's such a thing a ADV/PRO vehicles) It seems everyone agrees that this needs to happen - we need ADV/PRO vehicles to contend with the all the ADVPRO AV. They need better HP and inherent resists activated by skill and whatnot. As a side note, AV grenades are way OP against armor... I hope a change is considered in their damage/mechanics/something...
Charlotte O'Dell 0uter.Heaven 1023	Posted - 2013.08.22 22:10:00 - [13] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: Mad, Standard Proto Rail, Active Heat Sink, Rep, Dmg Upgr, Plate, PG Upgr, passive Armor Res What to change? Maddy Low: 2xActive 25% armor gardeners 1 local PG expansion 1 heavy armor rep 1x120 poly plate High: Active heat sink 10% damage mod Proto rail (compressed or standard issue) OR scattered ion cannon S turrets...just 20gj blasters but u can use.proto on this fit if u choose It's an amazing AV fitting but not quite as good at AI as of u switch the proto turret for a standard version and the 120mm for a 180mm. Just manage you hardeners well and it should do you well.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1216	Posted - 2013.08.22 22:10:00 - [14] - Quote Bravo614 wrote: Why don't u learn how to tank instead of bitching about prototype AV ? it's call prototype for a reason ! It's suppose to be strong ...... there is no prototype vehicles. and actually prototype is not meant to be strong, its meant to be marginally better then advance for 3-4times the cost. there isn't even advanced tanks( enforcers should not and will never really fit as advanced HAVs) so yea there is good reason to complain.
Charlotte O'Dell 0uter.Heaven 1023	Posted - 2013.08.22 22:11:00 - [15] - Quote Bravo614 wrote: Why don't u learn how to tank instead of bitching about prototype AV ? it's call prototype for a reason ! It's suppose to be strong ...... Oh god. How could I have been so foolish not to consider this. Tell me: how do you feel about being killed by explosives?
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 89	Posted - 2013.08.22 22:16:00 - [16] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Maddy Low: 2xActive 25% armor gardeners 1 local PG expansion 1 heavy armor rep 1x120 poly plate High: Active heat sink 10% damage mod Proto rail (compressed or standard issue) OR scattered ion cannon S turrets...just 20gj blasters but u can use.proto on this fit if u choose It's an amazing AV fitting but not quite as good at AI as of u switch the proto turret for a standard version and the 120mm for a 180mm. Just manage you hardeners well and it should do you well. I use something similar for my blaster maddy, 2 active hardener, best plate, best repper, local pg, active heatsink, damage control (thats what u also mean i guess) - can't fit ion due to PG but for my rail i want at least 1 low for 10%+ damage Edit: Blaster maddy will stay in garage till patch .. hate to lose it vs trash lai dai
Charlotte O'Dell 0uter.Heaven 1026	Posted - 2013.08.22 22:24:00 - [17] - Quote Don't put damage mods and armor tanks. It's as asinine as putting a plate on a shield tank. Putting a good cannon on your armor tank is the best you can do for getting a fit with a high DPS. Then the 2 gardeners make up for the list tank a bit. Killing infantry withaddy = lots of tank. Not so much gank. Killing vehicle with a Maddy is lots of tank. A little gank. If you want a glass cannon, get a gunlogi BC air tanks cannot sacrifice low slots for marginally better dps. It won't stack upagainst another.properly fitted armor tank. Source: more tank battles than I care to talk about against some of the best tankers in Dust. Trust me: these fits work if you understand your vehicle.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1216	Posted - 2013.08.22 22:27:00 - [18] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Don't put damage mods and armor tanks. It's as asinine as putting a plate on a shield tank. Putting a good cannon on your armor tank is the best you can do for getting a fit with a high DPS. Then the 2 gardeners make up for the list tank a bit. Killing infantry withaddy = lots of tank. Not so much gank. Killing vehicle with a Maddy is lots of tank. A little gank. If you want a glass cannon, get a gunlogi BC air tanks cannot sacrifice low slots for marginally better dps. It won't stack upagainst another.properly fitted armor tank. Source: more tank battles than I care to talk about against some of the best tankers in Dust. Trust me: these fits work if you understand your vehicle. your W**** armor reps are going away eventually so you'll need all the tank you can get.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 89	Posted - 2013.08.22 22:29:00 - [19] - Quote I had some great success so far, after flanking the opponent and exchanging the first round of volleys both our reppers are down and I feel like I have the edge in the next exchange, due to more damage and a bit faster RoF. Sure, I take more damage, but right now even the 10% armor res from skills trigger the stacking penalty. Anyways, thanks a lot, will give defense another chance. New DevBlog says rendering will be improved in 1.4, let's hope for the best. I imagine myself not seeing anything past 100 m in 1.4 ... Edit: I won't even talk about shield tanks, 110% damage from rail and no rep .. trash. Have a nice evening, Charlotte.
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 265	Posted - 2013.08.22 23:07:00 - [20] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV. Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6. I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav. gunnlogi with heavy azerpotic shield extender, 3 ward shield amplifiers, heavy converse shield booster, scat nuetron blaster... =enough time to get away and recall... but doesnt work against proto Assault FG-that thing is just too dam OP

Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 957	Posted - 2013.08.22 23:09:00 - [21] - Quote Bravo614 wrote: Why don't u learn how to tank instead of bitching about prototype AV ? it's call prototype for a reason ! It's suppose to be strong ...... hahahahah.....hahahahahhahahah....................BAHAHAHAHA!!!! you think a single AR guy should be able to kill a tank by throwing baseballs at it? its called a TANK for a reason. lol the force is strong in this one
Tebu Gan CrimeWave Syndicate 32	Posted - 2013.08.22 23:20:00 - [22] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV. Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6. I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav. gunnlogi with heavy azerpotic shield extender, 3 ward shield amplifiers, heavy converse shield booster, scat nuetron blaster... =enough time to get away and recall... but doesnt work against proto Assault FG-that thing is just too dam OP Azerpotic shield extender 2 Ward shield amplifiers Best Booster Speed booster Adv Missiles proto rider turrets Get's yeah away from them Assault forge gunners, but those things still own if you are out in open areas. Thing is crazy. Oh and missiles are crap, but if you use the range advantage on them, which is actually somewhat far, you can do a little something with them. My blaster runs with a Heavy supplemental extender, 2 ward shield amps, heavy converse booster, and a speed boost( test it out, that speed is nice, I'm running the best one you can get). Little less tank, but I count speed as a crucial part of mitigation. Love it.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 433	Posted - 2013.08.22 23:26:00 - [23] - Quote Flux Raeder wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV. Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6. I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav. Well wtf are you doing rolling out a tank in a pub match? Of course if I see a tank I am going to pull out a suit that can efficiently take it out. Though I truly love running a militia forge gun and catching the tears when your expensive tank dies to my cheapass militia gear So how do you expect any tanker to have good instincts and experience if they don't tank in pub matches? Oh wait, you don't care for vehicles anyway and would prefer them to be removed entirely.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 957	Posted - 2013.08.22 23:28:00 - [24] - Quote Flux Raeder wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV. Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6. I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav. Well wtf are you doing rolling out a tank in a pub match? Of course if I see a tank I am going to pull out a suit that can efficiently take it out. Though I truly love running a militia forge gun and catching the tears when your expensive tank dies to my cheapass militia gear Well wtf are you running into battle with an AR for? what you think just because you spec into something you should use it? i swear, thank god we hav epeople like you, i was getting worried about the state of the dust community
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5845	Posted - 2013.08.22 23:29:00 - [25] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Flux Raeder wrote: Well wtf are you doing rolling out a tank in a pub match? Of course if I see a tank I am going to pull out a suit that can efficiently take it out. Though I truly love running a militia forge gun and catching the tears when your expensive tank dies to my cheapass militia gear Well wtf are you running into battle with an AR for? what you think just because you spec into something you should use it? i swear, thank god we hav epeople like you, i was getting worried about the state of the dust community I was gonna say, if anything, pub matches are where tanks really belong right now. You know, where they don't get insta gib'd by full proto squads farting in their general direction....
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 960	Posted - 2013.08.22 23:47:00 - [26] - Quote hey man, let up on the poor guy....all this logic is making him seem like just another uninformed, hypocritical infantry player.....oh wait....
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 433	Posted - 2013.08.23 00:41:00 - [27] - Quote Mamertine Son wrote: AV's? I never leave the MCC without them. If it weren't for muder taxis running all over the place I wouldn't have to carry them as a standard bit of equipment in the first place. And there it is. If it weren't for vehicles, you could carry locus/flux grenades all the time, but since most new FPS games coming out have vehicles, you actually have to worry about more than just guns and grenades, actually have to think about situational awareness.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 433	Posted - 2013.08.23 00:42:00 - [28] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I'd just like to have an easier time killing LLAVs than I do HAVs :/ Its BC all lavs have an inherent 20% damage resistance while tanks do not. They pretty much get two built in supplemental shield amplifiers. Yeah, but with that comes immediate stacking penalties before any modules are put on.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 433	Posted - 2013.08.23 00:44:00 - [29] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: Mad, Standard Proto Rail, Active Heat Sink, Rep, Dmg Upgr, Plate, PG Upgr, passive Armor Res What to change? Lol half of it Heavy IG-L, particle cannon, 180 polycrystalline plate, local powergrid upgrade, two Carapace hardeners, active heatsink II. That was the standard during Chromosome, except we were able to use the heavy efficient, compressed particle cannon, and 3 armor hardeners without breaking the bank. Ridiculous damage output combined with great survivability. No wonder all the assaults wanted tanks nerfed again.
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 495	Posted - 2013.08.23 00:45:00 - [30] - Quote Flux Raeder wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV. Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6. I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav. Well wtf are you doing rolling out a tank in a pub match? Of course if I see a tank I am going to pull out a suit that can efficiently take it out. Though I truly love running a militia forge gun and catching the tears when your expensive tank dies to my cheapass militia gear notice he says PROTO. We don't give one **** about mlt gear. PROTO and to some extent ADV. is our problem. And we are pilots, what, we are supposed to use something less potent, instead of our actual role? How much sense does that make?



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