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Flux Raeder
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.08.23 06:58:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Flux Raeder wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Flux Raeder wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV.
Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6.
I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav. Well wtf are you doing rolling out a tank in a pub match? Of course if I see a tank I am going to pull out a suit that can efficiently take it out. Though I truly love running a militia forge gun and catching the tears when your expensive tank dies to my cheapass militia gear Well wtf are you running into battle with an AR for? what you think just because you spec into something you should use it? i swear, thank god we hav epeople like you, i was getting worried about the state of the dust community Butthurt much? Why does it not surprise me that this is coming from an STB member, the oldest tank spammers in the game? No, I am tired of hearing you vehicle drivers ***** and moan about someone taking out your vehicle with something THEY fully specced into and then whining that every av weapon in the game is too op just because you can't drive. Of COURSE people are going to be gunning after you when your whole team has 4 LAVs and multiple tanks tearing around the map, to expect everyone to just bow down to what, if you had your way, would be an undefeatable hammer of god is completely absurd and just makes you sound even more petulant. If CCP finally gets around to balancing these vehicles correct they should be expensive enough thst they would primarily only be used in corp battles and pc, or at least expensive enough that they would be seriously thought about before deploying in a match, only then would I agree that they should have their power upped. i know you want so bad to be all cool and trash stb but make sure you at least do it right kid. i ws never complaining. i was mocking people like you. in fact, im glad you typed what you did because now i have it all in the same post and not only do you look like an idiot, you helped to make the guy above look like even more of a moron too. nice try, learn 2 forum lol ar users using what they specced into = fine tank drivers using what they specced into = OMFGWTFBBQ i chose tanks instead of an assault rifle so im a skilless spammer
It's funny being told to learn to forum by someone who doesn't even know how to read a forum post.
On the battlefield an ar soldier is just another infantry member, on average they get about 10-20 kills, whereas a tank is a TANK. It is a monster of metal and ammunition and a substantial threat to everyone on the field WHICH IS WHY everyone goes after it to try to nullify the biggest threat to their team.
Now, had you bothered to read into my posts my problem with op was that they are whining about people running weapons that could actually damage them in their metal fortress. So from what the op said it seems that av users using what they specced into is an "OMGWTFBBQ" which I said was ridiculous.
I then went on to say that the reason so many people are speccing proto av is because there are way too many tanks per pub match. Five tanks on a field is ridiculous and yet it nears or reaches that almost every domination or ambush match. I continued from that point to my next which was NOT that tankers should not use their tanks but that they CCP should balance the game in a way that makes it a more specialized vehicle. A point that I backed up with the fact that if vehicle usage continues to increase, there will be so many people trying to av that there will be almost no gunplay, something I am already starting to see as a whole flock of blue errors comes out in av gear to have at the tanks, LAVs and dropships that are swarming the map. On a more personal note: no, you are not a skilless spammer for choosing to spec into a tank, I know many players that are extremely good tankers and also have great gungame, however if I remember correctly (I do), your STB would roll nothing but tanks in the first build, you were notorious for it, and that was when there was almost absolutely no av to go against it.
The first thing I think of when I think STB is a dozen tanks rolling across the field and, on the rare occasion that one of you left the tank to hack something, a dead body because STB was full of hermit crabs.
Also, you people seem to be under the false impression that I am an assault rifle spammer, truth is the AR is the least used of my weapons, I am a field sniper (redlining is for pussies and staying still is dumb), hacker and uplink dropping scout, heavy av, I have tanks, dropships and LAVs (militia but when used right still get the job done and done well), and admittedly an ar suit for close quarter crunch times (btw I have proto at capabilities but I use a toxin for the fun of it). Sooo, that argument is invalid as well.
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Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
979
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Posted - 2013.08.23 07:10:00 -
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after all that you are wrong. OP not complaining about people shooting him, he is saying CCP needs to balance tanks properly, e.g. for PC, not pub matches where teams and their fittings are very predictably bad, and where there is no teamwork.
who needs to read? and no, i didnt read your post, pretty useless wrong opinions
also, you better think of dozens of STB tanks rollin across the field. fact is,we dont have many drivers and we like to squad together. problem is, the other blueberries on the team feel its safe to call in their own cause we will protect them.
and.....ah **** i dont even care anymore, im in a game |
Flux Raeder
WarRavens League of Infamy
160
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Posted - 2013.08.23 07:17:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:after all that you are wrong. OP not complaining about people shooting him, he is saying CCP needs to balance tanks properly, e.g. for PC, not pub matches where teams and their fittings are very predictably bad, and where there is no teamwork.
who needs to read? and no, i didnt read your post, pretty useless wrong opinions
also, you better think of dozens of STB tanks rollin across the field. fact is,we dont have many drivers and we like to squad together. problem is, the other blueberries on the team feel its safe to call in their own cause we will protect them.
and.....ah **** i dont even care anymore, im in a game
And I just finished work, thanks for the entertainment, it's been fun, I honestly mean that :).
Also, you're wrong. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
980
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Posted - 2013.08.23 07:19:00 -
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Flux Raeder wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:after all that you are wrong. OP not complaining about people shooting him, he is saying CCP needs to balance tanks properly, e.g. for PC, not pub matches where teams and their fittings are very predictably bad, and where there is no teamwork.
who needs to read? and no, i didnt read your post, pretty useless wrong opinions
also, you better think of dozens of STB tanks rollin across the field. fact is,we dont have many drivers and we like to squad together. problem is, the other blueberries on the team feel its safe to call in their own cause we will protect them.
and.....ah **** i dont even care anymore, im in a game And I just finished work, thanks for the entertainment, it's been fun, I honestly mean that :). Also, you're wrong.
np dude, here ya go. seems ya would fit in here
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Flux Raeder
WarRavens League of Infamy
160
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Posted - 2013.08.23 07:27:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Flux Raeder wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:after all that you are wrong. OP not complaining about people shooting him, he is saying CCP needs to balance tanks properly, e.g. for PC, not pub matches where teams and their fittings are very predictably bad, and where there is no teamwork.
who needs to read? and no, i didnt read your post, pretty useless wrong opinions
also, you better think of dozens of STB tanks rollin across the field. fact is,we dont have many drivers and we like to squad together. problem is, the other blueberries on the team feel its safe to call in their own cause we will protect them.
and.....ah **** i dont even care anymore, im in a game And I just finished work, thanks for the entertainment, it's been fun, I honestly mean that :). Also, you're wrong. np dude, here ya go. seems ya would fit in here Clicky
Aww thanks for the thought but I hate COD, always have.
Also very edgy trying to tell someone who disagrees with you over an fps to go play CoD, veeerrry edgy indeed. Kudos. Flame on. |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
437
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Posted - 2013.08.23 08:22:00 -
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CCP Wolfman wrote:We're working away on the vehicles atm. We'll give you guys an overview of what we're doing shortly so you know what's going on. Shortly could mean end of next week.
Just sayin' |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
437
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Posted - 2013.08.23 08:25:00 -
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Flux Raeder wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Flux Raeder wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV.
Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6.
I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav. Well wtf are you doing rolling out a tank in a pub match? Of course if I see a tank I am going to pull out a suit that can efficiently take it out. Though I truly love running a militia forge gun and catching the tears when your expensive tank dies to my cheapass militia gear Well wtf are you running into battle with an AR for? what you think just because you spec into something you should use it? i swear, thank god we hav epeople like you, i was getting worried about the state of the dust community Butthurt much? Why does it not surprise me that this is coming from an STB member, the oldest tank spammers in the game? No, I am tired of hearing you vehicle drivers ***** and moan about someone taking out your vehicle with something THEY fully specced into and then whining that every av weapon in the game is too op just because you can't drive. Of COURSE people are going to be gunning after you when your whole team has 4 LAVs and multiple tanks tearing around the map, to expect everyone to just bow down to what, if you had your way, would be an undefeatable hammer of god is completely absurd and just makes you sound even more petulant. If CCP finally gets around to balancing these vehicles correct they should be expensive enough thst they would primarily only be used in corp battles and pc, or at least expensive enough that they would be seriously thought about before deploying in a match, only then would I agree that they should have their power upped. Activision is waiting with their arms wide open, since it's apparent you hate vehicles that much. |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
437
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Posted - 2013.08.23 08:27:00 -
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Flux Raeder wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Flux Raeder wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV.
Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6.
I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav. Well wtf are you doing rolling out a tank in a pub match? Of course if I see a tank I am going to pull out a suit that can efficiently take it out. Though I truly love running a militia forge gun and catching the tears when your expensive tank dies to my cheapass militia gear So how do you expect any tanker to have good instincts and experience if they don't tank in pub matches? Oh wait, you don't care for vehicles anyway and would prefer them to be removed entirely. I'll just be here waiting for you to show me exactly where I said that or even hinted that..... Oh? Nothing? How odd... As far as training your instincts and experience? How much experince do you hope to gain if all the weapons that pose any kind of threat to you are as underpowered as the whining minority if tankers (see what I did there?) would like them to be? Sounds to me like you just want a god mode, as it is the worst tankers out there already do nothing but destroy turrets (and for some reason all the friendly supply depots, do they not know or just not care how detrimental that is to their team? idk) and take half-hearted pot-shots at passing heavies. My main beef with tanks in pub matches is this: if they are easily obtainable enough for five idiots like that to use in a single map then what do you honestly expect the rest of us to do? We should not have to devote half a team to taking on a single tank, let alone five, if av weapons were nerfed there would be so many vehicles in the field constantly that there would no longer be any gunplay because we are trying to do something about YOU. I have said before in other threads that I am definitely willing to compromise. Give us a sticky explosive like c4 that has to be applied from within a foot of a tank instead of bs av nades, lower the power of each forge shot but lower the charge time and up the clip size and strike speed so it requires more skill than one or two lucky shots. Give us some proper proxy mines that are visible to a careful tanker but will blow the treads off of and temporarily immobilize someone less wary. I'm hardly as unreasonable as you'd paint me out to be. However the ops statement of everyone either being a tank of proto av as if it should not be so is just completely ignoring cause and effect: if I join a dozen pub matches and eleven of them end with the other team victorious due to their four tanks circling the map and LAVs kill-taxiing everyone between OBVIOUSLY I am going to spec into something to counter that. I'm tired. Maybe I'll reply to this. |
Kekklian Noobatronic
Goonfeet Top Men.
311
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Posted - 2013.08.23 08:27:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV.
Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6.
I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav.
Allow me to fix this up for you..
Charlotte O'Dell wrote:WAAAAHHHH PPL R ADAPTING TO MY TANK AND NOW I HAVE TO PLAY HARDER N MAYBE DIE AND I DONT LIKE IT WAAAAAHHHHHH NERF AV PLZ CCP OR ILL QUIT THE GAME CUZ MY TANK SHOULD NVR DIE WAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
The sad part? CCP Wolfman actually responded to his ******** complaint.
/thread |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
437
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Posted - 2013.08.23 08:30:00 -
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Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV.
Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6.
I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav. Allow me to fix this up for you.. Charlotte O'Dell wrote:WAAAAHHHH PPL R ADAPTING TO MY TANK AND NOW I HAVE TO PLAY HARDER N MAYBE DIE AND I DONT LIKE IT WAAAAAHHHHHH NERF AV PLZ CCP OR ILL QUIT THE GAME CUZ MY TANK SHOULD NVR DIE WAAAAAAAHHHHHHH The sad part? CCP Wolfman actually responded to his ******** complaint. /thread Have you been in a tank and witness half its armor melt away from PRO AV? |
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Kekklian Noobatronic
Goonfeet Top Men.
311
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Posted - 2013.08.23 08:32:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV.
Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6.
I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav. Allow me to fix this up for you.. Charlotte O'Dell wrote:WAAAAHHHH PPL R ADAPTING TO MY TANK AND NOW I HAVE TO PLAY HARDER N MAYBE DIE AND I DONT LIKE IT WAAAAAHHHHHH NERF AV PLZ CCP OR ILL QUIT THE GAME CUZ MY TANK SHOULD NVR DIE WAAAAAAAHHHHHHH The sad part? CCP Wolfman actually responded to his ******** complaint. /thread Have you been in a tank and witness half its armor melt away from PRO AV?
No, because I'm the guy peeling the armor away. And for reference - if I melt half your armor away in 1 shot, you fit your tank poorly. I've come across PLENTY of GOOD tank drivers who - despite being HEAVILY specc'd in to AV, and despite being VERY cunning about alpha'ing them - I just could not kill.
If you're losing half your HP in one shot, that's not my fault. It's yours. Tank spam made me go Proficency IV in Swarms and Forge Guns, and made me get Proto Grenades. You tank drivers have nobody to blame for this epidemic of AV but yourselves. The majority of my SP has gone in to ensuring that I can counter tank drivers, all as a RESULT of tank drivers. |
Aardicus
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
10
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Posted - 2013.08.23 11:25:00 -
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CCP Wolfman wrote:We're working away on the vehicles atm. We'll give you guys an overview of what we're doing shortly so you know what's going on.
Awesome, I look forward to this. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
987
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Posted - 2013.08.23 12:46:00 -
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lol at the retards in this thread
'You cant use what you skilled into thats OP, procceds to pull out crutch swarms because thats what they skilled into but thats fine because it infantry'
lol tanks are easily obtainable - obv not a driver or even looked at the tree since its easier to obtain proto AV than to fit a basic tank to survive a general match which contains at least 1 adv user
'Oh no 5 tanks such a problem let me bring out proto AV to kill basic tanks because its fair because i skilled into them and they are not OP against basic tanks'
'player are skilling into proto AV because of all these tanks' - no they are not, they skill into it because its OP against basic vehicles and can destroy them all with ease
Ye OP PC matches have been rough proto AV everywhere and i cant even take a break in pub games because proto AV ther also
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jingle wingle
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2013.08.23 12:54:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:lol at the retards in this thread
'You cant use what you skilled into thats OP, procceds to pull out crutch swarms because thats what they skilled into but thats fine because it infantry'
lol tanks are easily obtainable - obv not a driver or even looked at the tree since its easier to obtain proto AV than to fit a basic tank to survive a general match which contains at least 1 adv user
'Oh no 5 tanks such a problem let me bring out proto AV to kill basic tanks because its fair because i skilled into them and they are not OP against basic tanks'
'player are skilling into proto AV because of all these tanks' - no they are not, they skill into it because its OP against basic vehicles and can destroy them all with ease
Ye OP PC matches have been rough proto AV everywhere and i cant even take a break in pub games because proto AV ther also
Can't wait for you to read the patch notes |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
987
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Posted - 2013.08.23 13:04:00 -
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jingle wingle wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:lol at the retards in this thread
'You cant use what you skilled into thats OP, procceds to pull out crutch swarms because thats what they skilled into but thats fine because it infantry'
lol tanks are easily obtainable - obv not a driver or even looked at the tree since its easier to obtain proto AV than to fit a basic tank to survive a general match which contains at least 1 adv user
'Oh no 5 tanks such a problem let me bring out proto AV to kill basic tanks because its fair because i skilled into them and they are not OP against basic tanks'
'player are skilling into proto AV because of all these tanks' - no they are not, they skill into it because its OP against basic vehicles and can destroy them all with ease
Ye OP PC matches have been rough proto AV everywhere and i cant even take a break in pub games because proto AV ther also
Can't wait for you to read the patch notes
Seen it
3 buffs to the swarms - no vehicles will survive the faster lock and firing time and the extra ammo means they can sit up for longer spamming it |
Mirataf
WARRIORS 1NC
56
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Posted - 2013.08.23 13:09:00 -
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* Swarm Launcher base lock-on time has been increased to 1.4 from 1.2 and its fire interval has been reduced from 2 to 0.3
Give us a reason for this happening before av vehicle balance then CCP WOLFMAN
yes I'm putting this in here as well as the swarms will be op thread. I want to know how and why this was thought about being put in 1.4
Fekkin joke |
Anmol Singh
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
276
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Posted - 2013.08.23 13:23:00 -
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CCP Wolfman wrote:We're working away on the vehicles atm. We'll give you guys an overview of what we're doing shortly so you know what's going on.
SAGARIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 6 highs and 4 lows with 4700 base shield and 1500 base armor and 2300 base pg and 500 base cpu and cool black camo design with 88km/h speed and really really really fast acceleration... |
Flux Raeder
WarRavens League of Infamy
163
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Posted - 2013.08.23 18:11:00 -
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Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Please take into account how at least 4/5 of the pub matches I play have at least 2 guys with proto AV of some type trying to kill me and in PC, EVERYONE HAS EITHER A TANK OR PROTO AV.
Just something to consider when doing this vehicle rework if you want pilots to stick around for 1.6.
I'd also suggest making the Logi lab more logi-ey and the scout lav faster than the LLAV BC no scout lav can ever be faster than a speed tanked llav. Allow me to fix this up for you.. Charlotte O'Dell wrote:WAAAAHHHH PPL R ADAPTING TO MY TANK AND NOW I HAVE TO PLAY HARDER N MAYBE DIE AND I DONT LIKE IT WAAAAAHHHHHH NERF AV PLZ CCP OR ILL QUIT THE GAME CUZ MY TANK SHOULD NVR DIE WAAAAAAAHHHHHHH The sad part? CCP Wolfman actually responded to his ******** complaint. /thread Have you been in a tank and witness half its armor melt away from PRO AV? No, because I'm the guy peeling the armor away. And for reference - if I melt half your armor away in 1 shot, you fit your tank poorly. I've come across PLENTY of GOOD tank drivers who - despite being HEAVILY specc'd in to AV, and despite being VERY cunning about alpha'ing them - I just could not kill. If you're losing half your HP in one shot, that's not my fault. It's yours. Tank spam made me go Proficency IV in Swarms and Forge Guns, and made me get Proto Grenades. You tank drivers have nobody to blame for this epidemic of AV but yourselves. The majority of my SP has gone in to ensuring that I can counter tank drivers, all as a RESULT of tank drivers.
Basically all of ^^this^^. I have seen tanks survive several attempts from skilled av'ers to go on to ream the opposite team. And once again, most of the people I know that are currently speccing into av, including me, are doing it for no other reason than we are sick and tired if having our matches ruined because the enemy has called in five tanks and a constant stream of kill taxis and nobody is doing anything about them. For people to say that we are doing it because the weapons are op against vehicles is yet stupid, we are doing it because it is the ONLY thing to COUNTER vehicles. Frankly I'm sure a lot of us would rather be speccing into something else. I understand that the mechanics of the game are seriously borked against the tankers, it is extremely expensive to spec into and run. I just thought of it but maybe the answer is to lower the sp reqs for the tanks so that you guys can spec into some infantry suits and raise the price so that they aren't spammed so much. that actually seems like the best solution to spamming the ,but as the prev poster says and I said before: if it weren't for the ridiculous amount of vehicles every match what logical reason would there be for so many to go the av way? |
ragewardog
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
12
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Posted - 2013.08.23 18:14:00 -
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CCP Wolfman wrote:We're working away on the vehicles atm. We'll give you guys an overview of what we're doing shortly so you know what's going on. killing them/removing them from the game cause that's what 1.4 just did |
0bi wan-jacobi
Ancient Exi1es
30
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Posted - 2013.08.23 18:16:00 -
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CCP Wolfman wrote:We're working away on the vehicles atm. We'll give you guys an overview of what we're doing shortly so you know what's going on. Thank god... |
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D legendary hero
THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
692
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Posted - 2013.08.23 18:17:00 -
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Flux Raeder wrote: On the battlefield an ar soldier is just another infantry member, on average they get about 10-20 kills,
Dude. Your statement here is true. but do you understand the gravity of this statement you just made?
ARs account for more kills than 11 out of the 14 possible gun choices combined. they have higher DPS than Tank turrets and HMGs (hmg dps is higher but the disperion and hit detection make it all around lower). the AR has enough ammo capacity with a std AR to get 27 kills if they dnt miss a single hot, and are in effective range. If you only engage enemies in your effective range you can kill 17-18 enemies before needing a supply depot (average), dnt forget the perfect accuracy, zero overheat and near perfect hip fire.
so, if you were to use a milita AR with no damage mods, no profiiciency, and no headshots, with zero SP into ARs you can take out on average 15-17 (militia has less per clip). a MD can only get 4-6 kills without using flux grenades because it takes on average 3 shots to kill your average suit.
dnt forget there is literally no drawback to the AR. it has almost no weakness within the range of 5m-75m.
ARs are OP NOT tanks because TANKS ARE: expensive require alot of SP are a bigger target*
*will explain shortly
Quote: whereas a tank is a TANK. It is a monster of metal and ammunition and a substantial threat to everyone on the field WHICH IS WHY everyone goes after it to try to nullify the biggest threat to their team.
this is the problem. *just like with heavies, Tanks are supposed to be able to take punishment from multiple players on the enemy team. however, the problem is that one guy with some AV grenades can take out a tank by himself!. If he has lower level AV nades then he may need some some swarms or a "milita forge gun". but really?
A heavy can be taken out by 1 guy with a milita assault rifle in under 3.7 seconds. without damage mods, proficiency or headshots.
A tank can be taken out by one guy with AV grenades and milita forge gun or milita swarms.
the problem is that it DOES NOT REQUIRE A TEAM WITH AV TO TAKE OUT A TANK. just 1 guy running cheap AV stuff can handle most tanks. and just forget about dropships.
Quote: Now, had you bothered to read into my posts my problem with op was that they are whining about people running weapons that could actually damage them in their metal fortress. So from what the op said it seems that av users using what they specced into is an "OMGWTFBBQ" which I said was ridiculous. I then went on to say that the reason so many people are speccing proto av is because there are way too many tanks per pub match. Five tanks on a field is ridiculous and yet it nears or reaches that almost every domination or ambush match. I continued from that point to my next which was NOT that tankers should not use their tanks but that they CCP should balance the game in a way that makes it a more specialized vehicle.
When one guy with AV can take out 2-3 tanks by himself. it negates the point to using vehicles. people should specc into proto AV. i agree sadly, you dnt more than standard to get the same results. all you need are std swarms, or forgun, and AV grenades and you can handle most Tanks yourself.
its a joke, you can advance and push forward with tanks because the AV from one guy on their team can negate your tanks and the rest of the 15 players on the enemy team can run proto caldari logistics with duvolles all match in pub matchs. thiss is the real problem not tanks in pub matchs proto suits with proto ARs.
its getting to the point where every match unless your running proto gear your team gets smacked because everyone is running proto caldari suits with duvolles.
Quote: A point that I backed up with the fact that if vehicle usage continues to increase, there will be so many people trying to av that there will be almost no gunplay, something I am already starting to see as a whole flock of blue errors comes out in av gear to have at the tanks, LAVs and dropships that are swarming the map.
you and I both know that dropships are no problem ever. just stop right there. LAVs are a problem until you have proto AV, then they are not. this = problem solved. i support this. 1 guy wit AV takingout 3 tanks, makes no ******* sense whatsoever.
again the tankers are just trying to fight back against the swarms of infantry with proto caldari assault and logistics suits withthere GEKs and duvolles. so its ok to have teams composed of this, but when their are tanks its a problem. you guys try to nerf everything that isnt an AR or an assault suit.
Quote: On a more personal note: ...
^^that stuff is cool. happy hunting sniper |
ragewardog
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
13
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Posted - 2013.08.23 18:20:00 -
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0bi wan-jacobi wrote:CCP Wolfman wrote:We're working away on the vehicles atm. We'll give you guys an overview of what we're doing shortly so you know what's going on. Thank god... yes but when will we see it next year |
Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
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Posted - 2013.08.23 18:22:00 -
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When I see a tank I always bring in my Proto AV suit. Don't care if I go 0-5+ and lose over a mill in proto suits, as long as you blow up. |
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