oh yea cuz paying money for a respec once every couple months is totally unreasonable

With 1m SP you should easily be able to try other things, especially since having high SP counts likely means you don't have to worry about much by way of core skills and can go about fully dedicated to expanding your arsenal. The only reason your situation is problematic is if you have the impression that proto gear/suits are needed just for trying something new, refuse to run gear below proto, or only play PC matches which necessitate proto. I don't see any of these being a very compelling justification for a respec.

I believe that respecs need to be an option in this game in order to survive. I think there are a few reasons why.

1. Respecs would allow players to try new things and keep this game fresh while we wait for new content. Keeping a bigger player base.

2. Players are able to be more versatile when it comes to PC and gives newer players more chances to get in PC. Players who say want to join Corp A but Corp A has good logi's and your a logi, you could switch to heavy let's say if they're weak in that area.

3. CCP can make money when players want to use the FOTM. Players will skill into the FOTM no matter what. Use flaylock for example, players skilled into it even though it was obviously getting nerfed, but competive players need every advantage in order to succeed in PC.

4. It could also even the playing field when it comes to PC. It could allow for different playstyles. Different tactics! It would be a question what every player runs when you get into a warbarge rather than, "I see two tanks, a forge, 2 heavies, etc..."

I think that if CCP put a respec option for $20 or 100 million ISK. That it would ultimately allow for more reasons to stick around while this game get better. I see potential, but something like this needs to happen in order to survive long term. But we can't have an ignorant player base that either complains about every little flaw or anything that is just QQ'ing because your butt hurt.

I don't post or QQ on the forums. So if you guys could at least give this a thought that would be much appreciated!

Edit: Also its not like its forced on to you. If you don't want to respec then obviously you don't have to.

Edit: I've stated why respecs ruin the SP system and proposed we (request to) abolish it instead of having it linger pointlessly. Care to explain how "reasonable" a long term specialization based system with years of skills is when negated by getting do-overs every month?

Do you actually have a counter argument?

Edit: I've stated why respecs ruin the SP system and proposed we (request to) abolish it instead of having it linger pointlessly. Care to explain how "reasonable" a long term specialization based system with years of skills is when negated by getting do-overs every month?

Any new suit proto is what, 1.5 mil and a racial suit is what, 2.5 mil or something? So people are suppose to grind this boring game for weeks / months to get something new simply because their class offers nothing anymore?

Proto gear is needed for PC, which was about the only thing I played in this game since lolpubs.

I played this game since E3 last year, grinding every week to get SP to try new things. Now that I'm where I am SP wise, and I want to try new things, I'm suppose to continue grinding? lol... nice way to keep people playing huh?

What do you think people rather? More grinding in lolpubs, or paying to get a respec on their hard earned SP? For the betterment of the game, people should be able to pay to get a respec on their SP ALREADY EARNED.

Then GET RID OF THE SKILL SYSTEM IN FAVOR OF A SHORT TERM SYSTEM. It doesn't make sense to have a system like this in place if a) All that matters is the top tier (really it just means that lower tiers are irrelevant as well as the players confined to them) and b) the skill system locks you into a particular equipment set by design, a design which is diametrically opposed to respecs.

And pointing out that people earned their SP in no way negates that. Remember, those same people chose where to place that SP.

ccp has already stated there will be no more respecs. so, these threads are just for trolling :(

long term specialization? How is this possible when not everything is in the game? Heavies have 1 suit, scouts have 2 suits. How is this specializing into anything? Sounds more like being forced to spend SP on a race you don't want but have no choice.

Do we not have skills that take large amounts of time and/or gameplay to max out? If we don't, why does this thread exist? If we do, guess what kind of skill system we have? Incomplete offerings don't negate that. If you train min scout for lack of caldari scout you are still specializing in min scout. You may chose later to diversify, or CCP could provide an entirely justified 1 time respec upon completion of the basic suit tree, but that doesn't change what you are doing with the investment of skills.

not sure if trolling at this point...

get rid of the SP system is your argument? smfh... i'm done.

People choose?

lol... people are forced to choose a race, yet you're still preaching specialization? lol...

Edit: this game is not EVE btw. This no respec thing only flies on PC games. CCP running DUST like they do EVE has done nothing but put DUST in its current state.

It is and always has been. People spec into the thing that closest represents what they are after. Not having a subset of options doesn't negate this.

At this point you're arguing that Dust was a failed concept from the beginning.

I'm starting to agree.

Edit: And it's not CCP that has me leaning that way.

Edit: I've stated why respecs ruin the SP system and proposed we (request to) abolish it instead of having it linger pointlessly. Care to explain how "reasonable" a long term specialization based system with years of skills is when negated by getting do-overs every month?

"Forced" specialization is no less specialization than that which is done in the presence of a full set of options. After all they still chose scout over heavy or medium or their specs.

Yes its going to fail if this is run like EVE. It already is. Everybody just AFK's or plays just PC. Not a successful game in my mind

that's not a choice. That's an illusion of choice. Either is "choose" to pick the Amarr heavy, or I don't play. Simple. Since I wanted to play, Amarr was the ONLY "choice" I had, as well as others.

Again, that's not a choice, that's a forced option.

I agree with the option to buy respecs and have a time limit for when i can do it again but only until all the suits have come out then it should stop. Cause for me im caldari as you can see and i want my caldari scout suit. i don't want to have to grind anther 2.5mil (it takes about 2 months with an active and passive booster and if you cap out every week) to get it when i should already have it. same for the heavies i know they want there choice of a suit to get cause they only have one

Yes its going to fail if this is run like EVE. It already is. Everybody just AFK's or plays just PC. Not a successful game in my mind

The system doesn't have "years" of skills in specializations. This game actually has FAR too few skills to truly promote any form of long term specialization, and instead of in depth cool detailed content we just unlock a couple % differences and maybe a high or low slot along with a higher base number.

You max out any given specialization in a few months, then you "sidegrade", assuming you had the patience to sit on the only thing keeping the game remotely interesting at this point (SP). If you sidegrade first and spread out your skills, you can compensate a little for having low FPS skills by being more versatile, since having better gear won't make up for you lack of skill in the first place.

This game does not promote long term specialization because specializations are a joke and the only reason people fear FoTM is because there is a striking lack of customization in this game to the point where a system designed to support "endless" specializations boils down to a few choice builds in the build touted by the game designers to be a big step in the right direction.

One word

Flaylock

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Yes they are and you should feel bad for feeling otherwise.

Who is this "everyone"? I've as of yet not found a terribly large shortage of people to shoot or trying to shoot me and I've never done a PC match. There are plenty of people playing and the only people who don't see that are the ones who spend all their time in the MCC.

This game in the past few months have gone from like 6000 at a time to like 4000. Thats A LOT of players lost. Not many players i used to play with even play at this point.

6000 was right after the expansion. The expansion gave people a greater reason to log in. Numbers tapering afterwards isn't really odd IMHO. Numbers prior to the launch date look like they were lower despite being in open beta. Also there hasn't been too many strong pushes to get players in lately and likely won't be for a while yet while CCP tries to clean things up.

I had plenty of friends quit the game at Uprising cus they hated it. While in Chromosome they played like all day.