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Obi Wan-Jacobi
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.08.18 20:03:00 -
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I believe that respecs need to be an option in this game in order to survive. I think there are a few reasons why.
1. Respecs would allow players to try new things and keep this game fresh while we wait for new content. Keeping a bigger player base.
2. Players are able to be more versatile when it comes to PC and gives newer players more chances to get in PC. Players who say want to join Corp A but Corp A has good logi's and your a logi, you could switch to heavy let's say if they're weak in that area.
3. CCP can make money when players want to use the FOTM. Players will skill into the FOTM no matter what. Use flaylock for example, players skilled into it even though it was obviously getting nerfed, but competive players need every advantage in order to succeed in PC.
4. It could also even the playing field when it comes to PC. It could allow for different playstyles. Different tactics! It would be a question what every player runs when you get into a warbarge rather than, "I see two tanks, a forge, 2 heavies, etc..."
I think that if CCP put a respec option for $20 or 100 million ISK. That it would ultimately allow for more reasons to stick around while this game get better. I see potential, but something like this needs to happen in order to survive long term. But we can't have an ignorant player base that either complains about every little flaw or anything that is just QQ'ing because your butt hurt.
I don't post or QQ on the forums. So if you guys could at least give this a thought that would be much appreciated! |
HandOGod
Taints of Tartarus
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Posted - 2013.08.18 20:14:00 -
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I like hearing people that spec'd into FOTM weapons crying when they get nerfed.
Respecs would deny me this pleasure. |
0bi wan-jacobi
KILL ORDERS
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Posted - 2013.08.18 20:37:00 -
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Obi wan-jacobi are you stupid respecs are dumb :O. |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
558
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Posted - 2013.08.18 20:38:00 -
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Respecs would mean everyone is always skilled into the FOTM. There would be even less variation in the game than there is now. Your call for respecs would cancel out all the possible benefits you have proposed. No more respecs ever. |
Heimdallr69
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
590
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Posted - 2013.08.18 20:40:00 -
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HandOGod wrote:I like hearing people that spec'd into FOTM weapons crying when they get nerfed.
Respecs would deny me this pleasure. Never knew ascr was fotm but since the armour buff Is coming I'm putting it up and using an ar cuz lets be serious here its the only thing you can count on not getting nerfed |
Obi Wan-Jacobi
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.08.18 20:43:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:Respecs would mean everyone is always skilled into the FOTM. There would be even less variation in the game than there is now. Your call for respecs would cancel out all the possible benefits you have proposed. No more respecs ever. See though you have to understand people will skill into the FOTM even if there is no respecs. ALWAYS. I can promise you that. But now CCP can make money of the people who wants to use the cheap stuff in-game. |
Seeth Mensch
Damage Core corp. The Superpowers
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Posted - 2013.08.18 20:45:00 -
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Hm. I made a really similar thread yesterday!
Basically, I agree. I think that $20 is a bit much (I posted up some really weaselly small amount of AUR, because I didn't want to engage in the "what's the exact right price" debate), and definitely want an ISK variant. Some folks mentioned a cooldown on the respec, which is a pretty good idea, I guess, if you have to limit it for some reason.
I think what you said is valid!
And yes, people would respec into the FotM, but that doesn't matter for the same reasons our OP stated--people like to try new things. Yes, even you, you jaded old EVE/DUST player. You want more, and this is a way to get it. Since playing on that one map can get old (wait, was there more than one?), we have to keep our characters fresh.
...side note: Someone somehwere mentioned monocles for their character. OMG, skins? Changes in gameplay? VARIETY!?
Take my money, CCP!
(sorry, if I got off track a bit there!) |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
2795
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Posted - 2013.08.18 20:45:00 -
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The creation of a respec thread should be a bannable offense, akin to the Planetside 2 forum bombing. |
Obi Wan-Jacobi
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.08.18 20:47:00 -
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Seeth Mensch wrote:Hm. I made a really similar thread yesterday!
Basically, I agree. I think that $20 is a bit much (I posted up some really weaselly small amount of AUR, because I didn't want to engage in the "what's the exact right price" debate), and definitely want an ISK variant. Some folks mentioned a cooldown on the respec, which is a pretty good idea, I guess, if you have to limit it for some reason.
I think what you said is valid!
And yes, people would respec into the FotM, but that doesn't matter for the same reasons our OP stated--people like to try new things. Yes, even you, you jaded old EVE/DUST player. You want more, and this is a way to get it. Since playing on that one map can get old (wait, was there more than one?), we have to keep our characters fresh.
...side note: Someone somehwere mentioned monocles for their character. OMG, skins? Changes in gameplay? VARIETY!?
Take my money, CCP!
(sorry, if I got off track a bit there!) Thanks for the postive feedback |
0bi wan-jacobi
KILL ORDERS
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Posted - 2013.08.18 20:49:00 -
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Id pay like $10-15 to respec. Id say thats beyond reasonable amount of money. |
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.18 20:49:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:Respecs would mean everyone is always skilled into the FOTM. There would be even less variation in the game than there is now. Your call for respecs would cancel out all the possible benefits you have proposed. No more respecs ever.
this is the only argument i keep hearing against respecs. What's stopping people from skilling into FoTM now? What's to stop people from ALREADY having the FoTM?
I have multiple proto weapons already, and I'm sure many others do as well, so how is this FoTM argument work for people like me? I have enough SP right now to get proto MDs + proficiency. Only weapon I don't have proto is the LR and Sniper Rifle (AI not AV)
So why shouldn't I get a respec now? I have the same lame ass heavy suit for over a year now. Shouldn't I get a respec for CCP's lack of heavy content by now? No new suit, no new weapon, and a useless racial suit. |
Obi Wan-Jacobi
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.08.18 20:53:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Mobius Kaethis wrote:Respecs would mean everyone is always skilled into the FOTM. There would be even less variation in the game than there is now. Your call for respecs would cancel out all the possible benefits you have proposed. No more respecs ever. this is the only argument i keep hearing against respecs. What's stopping people from skilling into FoTM now? What's to stop people from ALREADY having the FoTM? I have multiple proto weapons already, and I'm sure many others do as well, so how is this FoTM argument work for people like me? I have enough SP right now to get proto MDs + proficiency. Only weapon I don't have proto is the LR and Sniper Rifle (AI not AV) So why shouldn't I get a respec now? I have the same lame ass heavy suit for over a year now. Shouldn't I get a respec for CCP's lack of heavy content by now? No new suit, no new weapon, and a useless racial suit. We need more people thinking like this instead of the FOTM bs! Thanks |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
561
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Posted - 2013.08.18 21:50:00 -
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A cash based resepec system would be stupidly pay to win and something CCP wouldn't do. |
0bi wan-jacobi
Ancient Exi1es
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Posted - 2013.08.18 21:52:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:A cash based resepec system would be stupidly pay to win and something CCP wouldn't do. not really lol. your not getting more skill points. your just respeccing. If respecing is pay to win then that means theres balancing problems. |
Obi Wan-Jacobi
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.08.19 16:21:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:A cash based resepec system would be stupidly pay to win and something CCP wouldn't do. See this is one of the reasons this game isn't going to get better. The majority of the community are not open to a different kind of DUST. They want it to be a 6 month grind to get to a level where you can compete with everyone. The problem is this is an FPS, there isn't a lot of an MMO feel. We as a community need to be able to accept new ideas to the game. At least give them a shot. If the respec idea isn't working, take it out of thr game no big deal. But how do we know it's not a bad idea if we don't try it? |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5781
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Posted - 2013.08.19 16:22:00 -
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What's funny too is that people are quick to say you grow wider, not taller, which means all respecs will ever do is shake things up, since no one can respec and instantly be better than everyone else.
That literally only happens when CCP fails to balance their game by making things like Cal Lolgis and Flaylocks, along with Plasma Cannons and Commando's on the other end of that spectrum. |
Obi Wan-Jacobi
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.08.19 16:31:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:What's funny too is that people are quick to say you grow wider, not taller, which means all respecs will ever do is shake things up, since no one can respec and instantly be better than everyone else.
That literally only happens when CCP fails to balance their game by making things like Cal Lolgis and Flaylocks, along with Plasma Cannons and Commando's on the other end of that spectrum. As this game as a mostly an FPS players will gravitate to whatever they can do tot be the best. So why not please people? i know people who spent $200+ on this game to just quit because things got nerfed or they can't use the stuff the skilled into. Thats would help with respecs. People need to understand that people who skilled into things that they don't like they are stuck with. If you skilled into the Commando suit, it costs close to 2.5 million SP at Proto. So that is a month to almost 2 months of wasted time. And then people quit the game because they don't want to basically restart their character. |
hcaz nahk
ROGUE SPADES EoN.
0
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Posted - 2013.08.19 17:19:00 -
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YES! this is an awesome idea even if just while in Beta because like some others I get tired of the same thing, I have skilled into a variety of things as well but still I think you're right it would keep things fresh I would pay $20 for a respect right now lol ive already spent over $200 lol but I don't plan on going anywhere any time soon I love dust and how the game works. but an optional respect would be just plain awesome. |
low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
323
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Posted - 2013.08.19 17:21:00 -
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respecs are a bad thing, and they make a 'thinking mans shooter' into a 'well, i'll just skill into whatever is best this month' kind of a shooter. |
low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
323
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Posted - 2013.08.19 17:22:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:Respecs would mean everyone is always skilled into the FOTM. There would be even less variation in the game than there is now. Your call for respecs would cancel out all the possible benefits you have proposed. No more respecs ever.
plus one |
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Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
3164
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Posted - 2013.08.19 17:27:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:A cash based resepec system would be stupidly pay to win and something CCP wouldn't do. Why are fewer and fewer people understanding this?
At the point where we've had confirmation of people sinking several hundred dollars into AURUM for this game, how can you not realize that giving those people the option of just changing their specialization as rapidly and dramatically as they want would give them a massive advantage?
Imagine you go into a PC battle and the other team brings out 3 tanks? 3 of the guys on your team who have a lot of AURUM stacked up drop out of the match, respec, dump their Assault points into Proto AV, and come back in and blap any vehicle you bring out.
I know that's a somewhat extreme example, but I hope you're getting the picture here.
"Keeping it fresh" is not going to be what these are used for. As with any other possible advantage, they will be exploited mercilessly because this is a game where losing actually hurts you. |
Obi Wan-Jacobi
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.08.19 17:32:00 -
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low genius wrote:respecs are a bad thing, and they make a 'thinking mans shooter' into a 'well, i'll just skill into whatever is best this month' kind of a shooter. People do this anyway? So why does it matter if CCP makes money so they can make a better game? Your just being ignorant. Its not like you have to respec! If you don't want to use then go ahead. Some people want this. Our community is too divided to make this an EVE type game. Which right now isn't working. The best players of this game quit everyday. The game is too one sided line this. But for some reason the FPS players are the QQ'ers, because they know what it takes to make a good FPS. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5781
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Posted - 2013.08.19 17:34:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:"Keeping it fresh" is not going to be what these are used for. As with any other possible advantage, they will be exploited mercilessly because this is a game where losing actually hurts you. 24 hour cooldown, 3 day cooldown, 7 day cooldown, any kind of cooldown at all.
The only people who fear people changing specializations is those with spies in the enemy corp, otherwise it's fairly moot.
Also respec option shouldn't be $$$
Letting people actually enjoy their SP instead of forcing it to sit there growing stale would encourage fun, not hurt it. It will also highlight issues in the game with "FoTM" builds, which can be identified and dealt with easier, without scorning players since they could just shake things up if they didn't like the changes.
I hope when DUST finally gets an EP again, he can see this. |
R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
336
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Posted - 2013.08.19 17:35:00 -
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Constant respecs would be bad because eveyrone would simply spec into the current FOTM.
So for 2-3 months we'd have "Caldari TAR logi Dust 514"....followed by "Caldari MD logi Dust 514", followed by the next FOTM. |
Obi Wan-Jacobi
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.08.19 17:36:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:"Keeping it fresh" is not going to be what these are used for. As with any other possible advantage, they will be exploited mercilessly because this is a game where losing actually hurts you. 24 hour cooldown, 3 day cooldown, 7 day cooldown, any kind of cooldown at all. The only people who fear people changing specializations is those with spies in the enemy corp, otherwise it's fairly moot. Also respec option shouldn't be $$$ Letting people actually enjoy their SP instead of forcing it to sit there growing stale would encourage fun, not hurt it. It will also highlight issues in the game with "FoTM" builds, which can be identified and dealt with easier, without scorning players since they could just shake things up if they didn't like the changes. I hope when DUST finally gets an EP again, he can see this. Also @ Low Genius, lmao "thinking mans" shooter? You drank the punch, didn't you? Capture C and redline hardly qualifies as "thinking" Exactly. Things like this could be implented. To balance the game more. Everyone thinks it would be a bad thing. But no one ever at the postivies. |
Malek McRoland
DUST University Ivy League
24
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Posted - 2013.08.19 17:36:00 -
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No full-out respec. Passive partial respec only; as much as I would love to try every little thing out on this game, being smart with your SP is a little more important than unlocking some proto weapon or proto suit that will not only burn up ISK, but will eat your patience as well when you lose a million ISK in one fight because your dropsuit upgrade skills are not leveled up enough to pump the max amount of PG/CPU, shields, and armor.
"Thou shalt save thine SP; In time, thou shall find the proper and best way to distribute thine SP without exploding into fits of rage." |
Obi Wan-Jacobi
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.08.19 17:37:00 -
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R'adeh Hunt wrote:Constant respecs would be bad because eveyrone would simply spec into the current FOTM.
So for 2-3 months we'd have "Caldari TAR logi Dust 514"....followed by "Caldari MD logi Dust 514", followed by the next FOTM. Again it would show the FOTM quicker getting it nerfed. Plus PEOPLE STILL USED THE FOTM EVEN WITHOUT RESPECS. So it's not going to change! |
Obi Wan-Jacobi
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.08.19 17:38:00 -
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Malek McRoland wrote:No full-out respec. Passive partial respec only; as much as I would love to try every little thing out on this game, being smart with your SP is a little more important than unlocking some proto weapon or proto suit that will not only burn up ISK, but will eat your patience as well when you lose a million ISK in one fight because your dropsuit upgrade skills are not leveled up enough to pump the max amount of PG/CPU, shields, and armor.
"Thou shalt save thine SP; In time, thou shall find the proper and best way to distribute thine SP without exploding into fits of rage." Ya like put something in where you can respec a certain tree? Say weaponry, dropsuits, etc.? |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5782
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Posted - 2013.08.19 17:39:00 -
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R'adeh Hunt wrote:Constant respecs would be bad because eveyrone would simply spec into the current FOTM.
So for 2-3 months we'd have "Caldari TAR logi Dust 514"....followed by "Caldari MD logi Dust 514", followed by the next FOTM. God knows the "Beta" didn't help to teach CCP how to balance, this certainly would, especially with their monthly iterations.
It's almost as if trusting in the intelligence of the community may actually "gasp" help show CCP what they're doing right and wrong. It's almost as if we're in a release build that feels EXACTLY like the beta build, and many of us feel as though CCP still desperately needs help in making their game both reasonably balanced and consistently fun.
No respecs and a tiny player base leads to what we have now, the same exact games game in and game out because everyone is forced to play one thing or be bad at other things, so people stick with one or two builds, and you just get used to it. Half the time you know how a game is going to play out just by looking at who's in it, which is straight up depressing. |
R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
336
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Posted - 2013.08.19 17:41:00 -
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Obi Wan-Jacobi wrote:R'adeh Hunt wrote:Constant respecs would be bad because eveyrone would simply spec into the current FOTM.
So for 2-3 months we'd have "Caldari TAR logi Dust 514"....followed by "Caldari MD logi Dust 514", followed by the next FOTM. Again it would show the FOTM quicker getting it nerfed. Plus PEOPLE STILL USED THE FOTM EVEN WITHOUT RESPECS. So it's not going to change!
It's not as if it takes CCP long to figure out the FOTM or OP stuff...what takes time is fixing it.
So constant respecs would simply result in everyone playing a FOTM character sooner rather than later...which would be horribly boring. |
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