Respecs would mean everyone is always skilled into the FOTM. There would be even less variation in the game than there is now. Your call for respecs would cancel out all the possible benefits you have proposed. No more respecs ever.

Hm. I made a really similar thread yesterday!

Basically, I agree. I think that $20 is a bit much (I posted up some really weaselly small amount of AUR, because I didn't want to engage in the "what's the exact right price" debate), and definitely want an ISK variant. Some folks mentioned a cooldown on the respec, which is a pretty good idea, I guess, if you have to limit it for some reason.

I think what you said is valid!

And yes, people would respec into the FotM, but that doesn't matter for the same reasons our OP stated--people like to try new things. Yes, even you, you jaded old EVE/DUST player. You want more, and this is a way to get it. Since playing on that one map can get old (wait, was there more than one?), we have to keep our characters fresh.

...side note: Someone somehwere mentioned monocles for their character. OMG, skins? Changes in gameplay? VARIETY!?

Take my money, CCP!



(sorry, if I got off track a bit there!)

this is the only argument i keep hearing against respecs. What's stopping people from skilling into FoTM now? What's to stop people from ALREADY having the FoTM?

I have multiple proto weapons already, and I'm sure many others do as well, so how is this FoTM argument work for people like me? I have enough SP right now to get proto MDs + proficiency. Only weapon I don't have proto is the LR and Sniper Rifle (AI not AV)

So why shouldn't I get a respec now? I have the same lame ass heavy suit for over a year now. Shouldn't I get a respec for CCP's lack of heavy content by now? No new suit, no new weapon, and a useless racial suit.

A cash based resepec system would be stupidly pay to win and something CCP wouldn't do.

What's funny too is that people are quick to say you grow wider, not taller, which means all respecs will ever do is shake things up, since no one can respec and instantly be better than everyone else.

That literally only happens when CCP fails to balance their game by making things like Cal Lolgis and Flaylocks, along with Plasma Cannons and Commando's on the other end of that spectrum.

respecs are a bad thing, and they make a 'thinking mans shooter' into a 'well, i'll just skill into whatever is best this month' kind of a shooter.

24 hour cooldown, 3 day cooldown, 7 day cooldown, any kind of cooldown at all.

The only people who fear people changing specializations is those with spies in the enemy corp, otherwise it's fairly moot.

Also respec option shouldn't be $$$

Letting people actually enjoy their SP instead of forcing it to sit there growing stale would encourage fun, not hurt it. It will also highlight issues in the game with "FoTM" builds, which can be identified and dealt with easier, without scorning players since they could just shake things up if they didn't like the changes.

I hope when DUST finally gets an EP again, he can see this.

Also @ Low Genius, lmao "thinking mans" shooter? You drank the punch, didn't you? Capture C and redline hardly qualifies as "thinking"

Constant respecs would be bad because eveyrone would simply spec into the current FOTM.

So for 2-3 months we'd have "Caldari TAR logi Dust 514"....followed by "Caldari MD logi Dust 514", followed by the next FOTM.

No full-out respec. Passive partial respec only; as much as I would love to try every little thing out on this game, being smart with your SP is a little more important than unlocking some proto weapon or proto suit that will not only burn up ISK, but will eat your patience as well when you lose a million ISK in one fight because your dropsuit upgrade skills are not leveled up enough to pump the max amount of PG/CPU, shields, and armor.

"Thou shalt save thine SP; In time, thou shall find the proper and best way to distribute thine SP without exploding into fits of rage."

You don't need a lot of SP to get into new suits or use new weapons. You need a lot of SP to go full Proto.
You don't want a respec to try new things, you want to dominate with a new thing, without spending any time trying out the lower tiers.
Spending another month with a new weapon until you can get it to Proto level doesn't limit your gameplay choices.

oh? Please explain to me how my situation, is me wanting the FoTM.

- 17 mil SP

- Proto weapons: HMG, AR, SR, FG, FLP, SMG, Nades, Shotgun

- Proto suits: Heavy basic, Gallente basic

- SP saved up: by now 1 mil

How do I need a respec to be up to the FoTM? Some people want a respec simply cuz they're tired of playing their current role / class. Heavies haven't got a single new item in this game since closed beta. What if i don't want to the class anymore simply cuz it's boring as **** having nothing new for over a year and a half?

But nah... EVERYBODY wants a respec for FoTM right?

It is and always has been. People spec into the thing that closest represents what they are after. Not having a subset of options doesn't negate this.

At this point you're arguing that Dust was a failed concept from the beginning.

I'm starting to agree.

Edit: And it's not CCP that has me leaning that way.

I agree with the option to buy respecs and have a time limit for when i can do it again but only until all the suits have come out then it should stop. Cause for me im caldari as you can see and i want my caldari scout suit. i don't want to have to grind anther 2.5mil (it takes about 2 months with an active and passive booster and if you cap out every week) to get it when i should already have it. same for the heavies i know they want there choice of a suit to get cause they only have one

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Yes they are and you should feel bad for feeling otherwise.

Who is this "everyone"? I've as of yet not found a terribly large shortage of people to shoot or trying to shoot me and I've never done a PC match. There are plenty of people playing and the only people who don't see that are the ones who spend all their time in the MCC.

6000 was right after the expansion. The expansion gave people a greater reason to log in. Numbers tapering afterwards isn't really odd IMHO. Numbers prior to the launch date look like they were lower despite being in open beta. Also there hasn't been too many strong pushes to get players in lately and likely won't be for a while yet while CCP tries to clean things up.

This is a direct contradiction to your assertion though. It's a clear indication that the issue isn't a lack of respecs, it's the gameplay issues introduced with Uprising.

I see your issue here you don't want to live your choices so you come here to cry foul that your k/d is affected by the changes instead of speccing into something else or changing tactics up adapting....

I used Flaylocks before AND after the so called 'nerf' and I'm still doing fine. I used a lot of Fused Contact grenades before the nerf (yeah it was OP) so I went back to 'cooking' my grenades and guess what... I'm still doing fine. I adapted... so for respecs the answer is:

No.

Live with it.

Or

Leave. Your choice.

You're my bro, but you can't be more wrong on this one.

There have been some very well thought out posts on the respec issue. At this point in this game's development I think it's vital to the future of this game. It doesn't even need to be something that stays long term.

But this game has a few months left at this rate. If a respec or two keeps people around while they get it fixed. It might b ethe difference between its life or death.

The game keeps pulling me back, but to be honest it's not as much to do with the game as it is to the guys I play with. How long will that be enough if I'm not having fun.

I started speccing into a different suit and a different weapon. After a few weeks I don't like the shotgun. I went prof 2. So now I have to find a different weapon while saving 1.8 mil ISK to go from ADV to proto in my new suit.

I had the drive to grind for what I've got. The motivation isn't there to do it. I almost didn't cap last week for the first time. If I wasn't in a FB chat with corp mates I wouldn't have.

There are dozens of guys I know who just left. I'm sure everybody is going through this.

How can we hang on to this stubborn mentality? It just doesn't make sense. The game is stagnant. I understand CCP is working their ass off to get it fixed, but I'm bored.