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Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.08.18 20:49:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:Respecs would mean everyone is always skilled into the FOTM. There would be even less variation in the game than there is now. Your call for respecs would cancel out all the possible benefits you have proposed. No more respecs ever.
this is the only argument i keep hearing against respecs. What's stopping people from skilling into FoTM now? What's to stop people from ALREADY having the FoTM?
I have multiple proto weapons already, and I'm sure many others do as well, so how is this FoTM argument work for people like me? I have enough SP right now to get proto MDs + proficiency. Only weapon I don't have proto is the LR and Sniper Rifle (AI not AV)
So why shouldn't I get a respec now? I have the same lame ass heavy suit for over a year now. Shouldn't I get a respec for CCP's lack of heavy content by now? No new suit, no new weapon, and a useless racial suit. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.08.19 20:21:00 -
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Vespasian Andendare wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:People want to be able to skill into the FOTM at will. People get bored of sitting on skills that are no longer relevant to them And here it is. You (the people that want respecs) skilled into FOTM setups, they got nerfed, and now you're regretful that you put all your eggs in Flaylock pistols. Well, too bad. Skill into new things that you want to play, or continue using the Flaylock pistol (or whatever is your FOTM-that-got-nerfed) and be happy you skilled into it, since IT WAS THE PLAYSTYLE YOU ENJOYED, OR YOU WOULD NOT HAVE SPENT YOUR SP THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, NO?
oh? Please explain to me how my situation, is me wanting the FoTM.
- 17 mil SP
- Proto weapons: HMG, AR, SR, FG, FLP, SMG, Nades, Shotgun
- Proto suits: Heavy basic, Gallente basic
- SP saved up: by now 1 mil
How do I need a respec to be up to the FoTM? Some people want a respec simply cuz they're tired of playing their current role / class. Heavies haven't got a single new item in this game since closed beta. What if i don't want to the class anymore simply cuz it's boring as **** having nothing new for over a year and a half?
But nah... EVERYBODY wants a respec for FoTM right?  |
Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.08.19 20:33:00 -
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Promethius Franklin wrote:Cy Clone1 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:People want to be able to skill into the FOTM at will. enough with this flavor of the month bs once they are done fixing aiming or what ever they do. Balancing will be come much better and then we can stop seeing fotm. to the p2w guy -Respecs are less p2w than boosters or aur weaponry. Im not going to play a game come across a sniper and say " hey why don't I replace 14mill sp and become a sniper to kill that guy" Some people have jobs or are getting ready to go to university and cant spend every week capping out for months so they can get equipment they don't like. Respecs will keep people playing. No, if this is really such an issue we need to get rid of the skill system and be done with it. It's completely pointless and self defeating for a system based around specializations to have a means to just opt out at will. Also the "I have personal commitments" reasoning is played out. Unfortunately any and all long term progression systems will conflict with this unless, as the op proposes, we negate the point of the system. Lets just go with a COD-like level system and be done with it. Skills are pointless when easily overridden.
oh yea cuz paying money for a respec once every couple months is totally unreasonable |
Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.08.19 20:43:00 -
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Promethius Franklin wrote:
With 1m SP you should easily be able to try other things, especially since having high SP counts likely means you don't have to worry about much by way of core skills and can go about fully dedicated to expanding your arsenal. The only reason your situation is problematic is if you have the impression that proto gear/suits are needed just for trying something new, refuse to run gear below proto, or only play PC matches which necessitate proto. I don't see any of these being a very compelling justification for a respec.
Any new suit proto is what, 1.5 mil and a racial suit is what, 2.5 mil or something? So people are suppose to grind this boring game for weeks / months to get something new simply because their class offers nothing anymore?
Proto gear is needed for PC, which was about the only thing I played in this game since lolpubs.
I played this game since E3 last year, grinding every week to get SP to try new things. Now that I'm where I am SP wise, and I want to try new things, I'm suppose to continue grinding? lol... nice way to keep people playing huh?
What do you think people rather? More grinding in lolpubs, or paying to get a respec on their hard earned SP? For the betterment of the game, people should be able to pay to get a respec on their SP ALREADY EARNED. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.08.19 20:46:00 -
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Promethius Franklin wrote:
Edit: I've stated why respecs ruin the SP system and proposed we (request to) abolish it instead of having it linger pointlessly. Care to explain how "reasonable" a long term specialization based system with years of skills is when negated by getting do-overs every month?
long term specialization? How is this possible when not everything is in the game? Heavies have 1 suit, scouts have 2 suits. How is this specializing into anything? Sounds more like being forced to spend SP on a race you don't want but have no choice. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.08.19 20:53:00 -
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Promethius Franklin wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Promethius Franklin wrote:
With 1m SP you should easily be able to try other things, especially since having high SP counts likely means you don't have to worry about much by way of core skills and can go about fully dedicated to expanding your arsenal. The only reason your situation is problematic is if you have the impression that proto gear/suits are needed just for trying something new, refuse to run gear below proto, or only play PC matches which necessitate proto. I don't see any of these being a very compelling justification for a respec.
Any new suit proto is what, 1.5 mil and a racial suit is what, 2.5 mil or something? So people are suppose to grind this boring game for weeks / months to get something new simply because their class offers nothing anymore? Proto gear is needed for PC, which was about the only thing I played in this game since lolpubs. I played this game since E3 last year, grinding every week to get SP to try new things. Now that I'm where I am SP wise, and I want to try new things, I'm suppose to continue grinding? lol... nice way to keep people playing huh? What do you think people rather? More grinding in lolpubs, or paying to get a respec on their hard earned SP? For the betterment of the game, people should be able to pay to get a respec on their SP ALREADY EARNED. Then GET RID OF THE SKILL SYSTEM IN FAVOR OF A SHORT TERM SYSTEM. It doesn't make sense to have a system like this in place if a) All that matters is the top tier (really it just means that lower tiers are irrelevant as well as the players confined to them) and b) the skill system locks you into a particular equipment set by design, a design which is diametrically opposed to respecs. And pointing out that people earned their SP in no way negates that. Remember, those same people chose where to place that SP.
not sure if trolling at this point...
get rid of the SP system is your argument? smfh... i'm done. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.08.19 20:57:00 -
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Promethius Franklin wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Promethius Franklin wrote:
Edit: I've stated why respecs ruin the SP system and proposed we (request to) abolish it instead of having it linger pointlessly. Care to explain how "reasonable" a long term specialization based system with years of skills is when negated by getting do-overs every month?
long term specialization? How is this possible when not everything is in the game? Heavies have 1 suit, scouts have 2 suits. How is this specializing into anything? Sounds more like being forced to spend SP on a race you don't want but have no choice. Do we not have skills that take large amounts of time and/or gameplay to max out? If we don't, why does this thread exist? If we do, guess what kind of skill system we have? Incomplete offerings don't negate that. If you train min scout for lack of caldari scout you are still specializing in min scout. You may chose later to diversify, or CCP could provide an entirely justified 1 time respec upon completion of the basic suit tree, but that doesn't change what you are doing with the investment of skills.
lol... people are forced to choose a race, yet you're still preaching specialization? lol... |
Lance 2ballzStrong
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Posted - 2013.08.19 21:16:00 -
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Promethius Franklin wrote:
"Forced" specialization is no less specialization than that which is done in the presence of a full set of options. After all they still chose scout over heavy or medium or their specs.
that's not a choice. That's an illusion of choice. Either I "choose" to pick the Amarr heavy, or I don't play. Simple. Since I wanted to play, Amarr was the ONLY "choice" I had, as well as others.
Again, that's not a choice, that's a forced option. Or if you wanna be technical and put the word "choice" in there, how about this; it was a choice by default. |
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