Ima disagree on this one mr Cat.

AVer take for granted how much power they have over tanks.

TANKs need a rebalancing.... but IMO all they need is an increase to movement speed. I find it hard to imagine a futuristic tank that cannot stop, turn, manoeuvre effectively through rough terrain.

Ima disagree on this one mr Cat.

AVer take for granted how much power they have over tanks.

TANKs need a rebalancing.... but IMO all they need is an increase to movement speed. I find it hard to imagine a futuristic tank that cannot stop, turn, manoeuvre effectively through rough terrain.

Except it doesn't exist and probably well never exist.
Except is doesn't exist and never well.
As it stands HAVs cost much more than any suit fitting. This combined with the AV that's become incredibly powerful causes HAVs to be an unviable career for each battle.
I think most of us well agree that we worry more about being able effectively go into a career without the constant loss of ISK than KDR.
Also no tanker wants to go 60 - 0. We aren't idiots that have no concept of overpowered. There are no OP vehicles (minus LLAV) in the game. The only OP things that exist and that are complained about are infantry based weaponry. We have to deal with the constant infantry only OP gear. So yeah we well complain about OP things.
Complaining is to often put with QQ or cry baby. Complain: To make a formal accusation.
ISK lost combined with the current state of AV is something to complain about

I am not saying tanks are fine.
I'm saying that if CCP listened to people like Charlotte, the game will be back to Tank514 like in the E3 build.

And you think it's wrong that you're not invincible?

We shouldn't lose 2m isk because some dickbag with inviso-swarms or the non-rendering forge gunner looked at us for 5 seconds. make that crap cost more, and remove the militia forge, replace it with a militia HMG.

and you keep claiming we want god mode when every time weve had this specific argument we give you proof that we don't and all we want is actual balance.

Where is this proof you speak of?
You just stated that you thought it was wrong that low-level anti-vehicle weapons should be able to even drive you off. If you can't be driven off or destroyed, what can they do to protect themselves against you? Nothing, and that would be a problem.

I don't disagree that tanks need some rebalancing. I do, however, disagree very strongly with the idea that AV should be so ineffective against tanks.

I am not saying tanks are fine.
I'm saying that if CCP listened to people like Charlotte, the game will be back to Tank514 like in the E3 build.

and your fine with it being AR514... of course you are..

it makes no logical sense for the biggest piece of equipment that's player operated to be the same as a dropsuit which is less that 1/5 its size.

chromosome was the closest weve ever gotten to balance (I think we can all agree on that) and CCP threw it all away because infantry could one shot everything with their ARs

The problem is when tankers say "Oh but militia stuff shouldn't be able to drive me away!".
So what are newberries going to do?
Hit you with rocks?
"Or it should take 4 people to take me down!"
So basically pub matches will be a nightmare, and PC matches will be tank514?

if you want to fight vehicles, skill into AV, that's what its for, if you don't want to do that, not our problem.


I have respect for those that kill me if they are skilled into AV.

again COD is that way ==============>

If a full team of AV went against a full team of HAVs who do you think would win?
It only takes 2 in a team to completely shut down the map on vehicles.

A team full of general death machines vs. a team full of the one thing that is designed to take out those death machines? Who do you think should win this?

it should be an even match, determined by skill. but in reality, the invisoswarms and hadokens will kill every tank before they can leave the redline.

if you want to fight vehicles, skill into AV, that's what its for, if you don't want to do that, not our problem.


I have respect for those that kill me if they are skilled into AV.

again COD is that way ==============>

Aha... You do realise if one of those tankers steps out of his vehicle in a militia assault suit, he can probably solo the whole team of AV?

You are saying that a squad of tanks should be balanced against a squad of AV... While the squad of tanks wracks havoc against infantry and other vehicles alike, and the AV does **** all despite fighting the tanks? In what universe is that reasonable game design.

I do want tanks to be able to partake in a battle constructively, ideally without being popped out of nowhere with no chance of reacting to the situation. But some of the arguments that are being raised in favour of simply buffing tanks are just hair-raisingly strange.

Sure tanks should not be a pay ISK to win mechanic for sure, but tank drivers should be able to play a whole match without losing their tank in 2s.

Regardless of the arguments, something needs to change or tanks will never be a presence on the battlefield.

I think the problem mostly lies in the fact that AVers can kill tanks from absurd distances... I hate to say it but swarms and FGs should probably receive a significant range nerf so that AV requires closer quarters and HAVs can be better at their force multiplier role.

I also wouldn't oppose bring the current tanks down drastically in price and calling them MAVs and introducing an HAV that requires 2-3 people to operate it, and they can then be a true force to be reckoned with.